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WEBCAST TODAY - FCC Network Resiliency Workshop
by Joly MacFie 06 Feb '13

06 Feb '13

I know this is a topic dear to the members of the list. We are webcasting an FCC hearing today in Brooklyn on the topic of network resiliency. http://isoc-ny.org/p2/4783 It will be archived, and transcribed. -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -

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2013.02.05 NANOG57 day2 afternoon session
by Matthew Petach 05 Feb '13

05 Feb '13

Notes, complete with typos are up at http://kestrel3.netflight.com/2013.02.05-NANOG57-day2-afternoon-session.txt definitely awesome content today; bummed i missed out, sounds like tonight should be an absolute blast at seaworld--have fun, and we'll see what tomorrow brings. :) Matt

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Register Now for ARIN Public Policy Consultation @ NANOG 57
by John Curran 05 Feb '13

05 Feb '13

NANOGers - If you are going to be at NANOG 57 in Orlando, then please note that ARIN will be holding a Public Policy Consultation (PPC) there regarding several number resource policy proposals and you are very much encouraged to participate and make your views on these proposals known. Your NANOG 57 registration includes attending the ARIN Public Policy Consultation onsite if you so desire to do so. As ARIN's Public Policy Consultations are open to all, it is also possible to attend _just_ the PPC without charge, either in person or remotely. One needs to register separately to just participate in the public policy consultation, and this registration does not provide you entry to any other NANOG programming or social events. This is not likely to be relevant to many folks on this list (since I'll be seeing most of you onsite at NANOG 57!) but if you are going to be remotely watching NANOG 57, please take note and register for the ARIN PPC if you intend on participating in that session (and details are available in the attached announcement.) I'd like to take a moment to thank NANOG's Executive Director Betty Burke and the NANOG Planning Committee for making possible the ARIN Public Policy Consultation @ NANOG 57! Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN Begin forwarded message: From: ARIN <info(a)arin.net<mailto:info@arin.net>> Subject: [arin-ppml] Register Now for ARIN Public Policy Consultation @ NANOG 57 Date: January 15, 2013 5:17:30 AM HST To: arin-ppml(a)arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net> Registration is now open for ARIN's first Public Policy Consultation (PPC), which will be held during NANOG 57 in Orlando, FL on 5 February 2013 at the Renaissance Orlando at Seaworld. The PPC is part of ARIN's new Policy Development Process, and it is an open public discussion of Internet number resource policy. Registered NANOG 57 attendees do not need to register to participate in this session. ARIN welcomes members of the NANOG community who will not be in Orlando to register as remote participants. If you plan to attend and are not registered for NANOG you must register for the PPC at the URL below. There is no registration fee for this 90-minute session, and it does not provide you entry to any other NANOG programming or social events. Learn more at https://www.arin.net/ppc_nanog57/index.html. Current policy proposals up for discussion at this meeting are: * ARIN-2012-2: IPv6 Subsequent Allocations Utilization Requirement - https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2012_2.html * ARIN-prop-182 Update Residential Customer Definition to not exclude wireless as Residential Service - http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2012-October/026116.html * ARIN-prop-183 Section 8.4 Transfer enhancement- http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2012-October/026203.html The PPC will also include a Policy Experience Report and Open Microphone. ARIN will offer a webcast, live transcript, and Jabber chat options for remote participants. Registered remote participants can submit comments and questions to the discussions during the meeting. Register to attend in person or remotely today! Visit https://www.arin.net/app/meeting/registration/. Regards, Communications and Member Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)

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L3 East cost maint / fiber 05FEB2012 maintenance
by Josh Reynolds 05 Feb '13

05 Feb '13

I know a lot of you are out of the office right now, but does anybody have any info on what happened with L3 this morning? They went into a 5 hour maintenance window with expected downtime of about 30 minutes while they upgraded something like *40* of their "core routers" (their words), but also did this during some fiber work and completely cut off several of their east coast peers for the entirety of the 5 hour window. If anybody has any more info on this, on a NOC contact for them on the East Coast for future issues, you can hit me off off-list if you don't feel comfortable replying with that info here. Thanks, and I hope hope you guys are enjoying Orlando. -- *Josh Reynolds* esseph(a)gmail.com - (270) 302-3552

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2013.02.05 NANOG57 day2 morning session notes are up
by Matthew Petach 05 Feb '13

05 Feb '13

I posted my notes from this morning's session at http://kestrel3.netflight.com/2013.02.05-NANOG57-day2-morning-session.txt Sorry about the gap in the notes about the telegeography talk; my player decided to wig out, and then die, and I lost a chunk while switching to the redundant computer. Awesome content this morning; definitely getting kudos in the survey feedback! Matt

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RE: L3 East cost maint / fiber 05FEB2012 maintenance
by 2asx1y702＠sneakemail.com 05 Feb '13

05 Feb '13

I acknowledge sliding past the maintenance window, and we're seeing similar bumps, 09:42 - 09:46 CST is most recent. This are with our Wisconsin and Netherlands locations. They seem to be having a bad day all around. KG Hi Andrey!

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RE: L3 East cost maint / fiber 05FEB2012 maintenance
by Nick Olsen 05 Feb '13

05 Feb '13

We saw the same here, However our session did tear down. I was told they were doing scheduled "emergency" maintenance about 3:30PM EST Yesterday. We're hung off the orlando market. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 ---------------------------------------- From: "David Hubbard" <dhubbard(a)dino.hostasaurus.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:53 AM To: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: RE: L3 East cost maint / fiber 05FEB2012 maintenance We saw the same thing out of their Tampa location; there was a brief drop around 2am EST and a more severe one around 4:05 AM which lasted about 10 minutes for us. Unfortunately whatever they did, they did it in a way that our BGP sessions stayed up so we couldn't react until bgpmon altered me about some route withdrawals but by that time things were back to normal and remained stable. > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Reynolds [mailto:esseph@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:40 AM > To: nanog(a)nanog.org > Subject: L3 East cost maint / fiber 05FEB2012 maintenance > > I know a lot of you are out of the office right now, but does > anybody have > any info on what happened with L3 this morning? They went > into a 5 hour > maintenance window with expected downtime of about 30 minutes > while they > upgraded something like *40* of their "core routers" (their > words), but > also did this during some fiber work and completely cut off several of > their east coast peers for the entirety of the 5 hour window. > > If anybody has any more info on this, on a NOC contact for > them on the East > Coast for future issues, you can hit me off off-list if you don't feel > comfortable replying with that info here. > > Thanks, and I hope hope you guys are enjoying Orlando. > > -- > *Josh Reynolds* > esseph(a)gmail.com - (270) 302-3552 > >

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List of Comcast speeds in Chicago, IL (North side near I-94: Addisson/Irving Park/ area)
by Ishmael Rufus 05 Feb '13

05 Feb '13

Could someone help verify the listed speeds for the different services for Comcast: Performance - 20mbps (Customer support is claiming it's now 15mbps) Blast - 30 mbps (Customer support is claiming it's now 20 mbps) I was getting 20+ download speed tests on Performance which is correct. When I told customer support I was getting half (because of packet loss) they brought this other information to my attention

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2013.02.04 NANOG57 day 1 afternoon notes
by Matthew Petach 04 Feb '13

04 Feb '13

Notes from the afternoon session, including the community meeting, but minus most of the BCOP presentation have been posted: http://kestrel3.netflight.com/2013.02.04-NANOG57-day1-afternoon-session.txt it looks like apache2 serves up about 100 connections, then wedges. :( No time to troubleshoot it, but i'll try to check back once an hour and kick it in the head. Thank you Dave, our hero of the day for making sure the WCIT talk contents did *not* get sealed behind closed doors! round two begins tomorrow morning, bright and early. ^_^ Matt

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Is Google Fiber a model for Municipal Networks?
by Leo Bicknell 04 Feb '13

04 Feb '13

I've been searching for a few days on information about Google Fiber's Kansas City deployment. While I wouldn't call Google secretive in this particular case, they haven't been very outgoing on some of the technologies. Based on the equipment they have deployed there is speculation they are doing both GPON and active thernet (point2point). I found this presentation: http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/researc… It has a very good summary of the tradeoffs we've been discussing regarding home run fibers with active ethernet compared with GPON, including costs of the eletronics compared to trenching, the space required in the CO, and many of the other issues we've touched on so far. Here's an article with some economics from several different deployments: http://fastnetnews.com/fiber-news/175-d/4835-fiber-economics-quick-and-dirty Looks like $500-$700 in capex per residence is the current gold standard. Note that the major factor is the take rate; if there are two providers doing FTTH they are both going to max at about a 50% take rate. By having one provider, a 70-80% take rate can be driven. Even with us a 4%, 10 year government bond, a muni network could finance out a $700/prem build for $7.09 per month! Add in some overhead and there's no reason a muni-network couldn't lease FTTH on a cost recovery bases to all takers for $10-$12 a month (no Internet or other services included). Anyone know of more info about the Google Fiber deployment? -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell(a)ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/

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