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Re: CDNs should pay eyeball networks, too.
by Aleksi Suhonen 02 May '12

02 May '12

Morning, I have no idea what's really going on at LLNW, but I thought I'd still share an alternative view on this matter: My understanding is that LLNW is spending tons of money to upgrade some of their IXP connections to 100GbE in Europe. With that in mind, I'm not that surprised if they wish to get some new income to cover those costs. While content is king, eye balls are kings too. Go figure. -- Aleksi Suhonen / Axu TM Oy Internetworking Consulting Cellular: +358 45 670 2048 World Wide Web: www.axu.tm

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IPv6 monitoring...
by Vytautas V Grigaliunas 02 May '12

02 May '12

Greetings... What are people using for IPv6 monitoring - in particular, for monitoring services such as DNS, Web, E-mail, etc. ? Nagios seems the people's choice. Any others...open source or commercial ? TIA... Vyto

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Problems getting to Verisign's whois server on IPv6
by TR Shaw 02 May '12

02 May '12

Anyone else having problems getting to Verisign's whois server on IPv6? $ host com.whois-servers.net com.whois-servers.net is an alias for whois.verisign-grs.com. whois.verisign-grs.com has address 199.7.59.74 whois.verisign-grs.com has IPv6 address 2001:503:3227:1060::74 $ traceroute6 2001:503:3227:1060::74 traceroute6 to 2001:503:3227:1060::74 (2001:503:3227:1060::74) from 2001:470:5:4ed:cabc:c8ff:fea1:560c, 64 hops max, 12 byte packets 1 2001:470:5:4ed:226:bbff:fe6d:426e 0.311 ms 0.374 ms 0.260 ms 2 ipv6oitc-1.tunnel.tserv12.mia1.ipv6.he.net 21.128 ms 21.052 ms 17.389 ms 3 gige-g2-3.core1.mia1.he.net 20.055 ms 16.198 ms 22.699 ms 4 10gigabitethernet4-3.core1.atl1.he.net 40.166 ms 33.887 ms 32.547 ms 5 10gigabitethernet6-4.core1.ash1.he.net 49.821 ms 45.999 ms 52.751 ms 6 2001:504:0:2::2641:1 47.197 ms 46.748 ms 47.289 ms 7 xe-1-2-0.r1.bb-fo.chi2.vrsn.net 65.094 ms xe-0-2-0.r2.bb-fo.chi2.vrsn.net 66.441 ms xe-1-2-0.r1.bb-fo.chi2.vrsn.net 66.320 ms 8 2001:503:3227:14ff::2 66.448 ms 2001:503:3227:13ff::2 101.761 ms 86.864 ms 9 2001:503:3227:13ff::2 69.818 ms !P 2001:503:3227:14ff::2 69.311 ms !P 2001:503:3227:13ff::2 68.662 ms !P

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Re: CDNs should pay eyeball networks, too.
by Alex Rubenstein 02 May '12

02 May '12

I can't agree with this. You are assuming a cost-plus model. Many things are market-priced. If you are the only game in town, and you have a great product, you sell it for the most you can. You aren't a charity. The customer always has the option to not buy your product. ----- Original Message ----- From: Valdis.Kletnieks(a)vt.edu <Valdis.Kletnieks(a)vt.edu> To: David Miller <dmiller(a)tiggee.com> Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org <nanog(a)nanog.org> Sent: Tue May 01 18:18:48 2012 Subject: Re: CDNs should pay eyeball networks, too. On Tue, 01 May 2012 18:03:06 -0400, David Miller said: > From an accounting perspective, every R&D effort that I have seen or > been a part of was not billed to any customer. R&D has always, in my > experience, been an internal charge against a company's own profits. RIght - and when pricing the result of the R&D, you take into account the internal charges and estimated sales volume to determine a target price point. R&D was $316K and you estimate you can sell 100 of them, you're going to have to charge at least $3,160 a copy to make a profit on the project. You sank $150M into R&D and think you'll sell a million units, you'll need to charge $150 to break even. And so on. The point is that if you already got *paid* the $316K, it's morally wrong to include it in the calculation of "sunk costs we need to recoup to turn a profit".

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CDNs should pay eyeball networks, too.
by Dominik Bay 02 May '12

02 May '12

Yesterday I received the following mail, from a CDN: ---->8---- Greetings, Limelight Networks periodically reviews its interconnection strategy to ensure the quality and integrity of its interconnection between all its partners. We have recently updated our requirements for settlement-free peering which are posted at http://www.as22822.net/ This letter is to notify you that yyy no longer meets our minimum requirements. If yyy would like to maintain our current interconnectivity, there will be settlement associated with doing so. If you are interested in pursuing this option, please reply back to this email indicating such. Should your company decline this option, or if we do not have an agreement regarding the settlement in place prior to May 31st 2012, Limelight Networks will terminate the peering sessions on that day, with this letter serving as 30 day notice. Sincerely, ----8<---- The same mail was sent out last year, about end of April 2011, to another ISP I'm working with. They got depeered, but the ISP which received the mail above yesterday didn't meet the requirements last year either. I totally understand that some companies might not be able to handle sub-5Mbps peering sessions, be it technical or organisational, but >=100Mbps should be worth any effort, as long as it improves the network. In this particular case I'm talking about >=600Mbps of traffic send out by Limelight to "my" eyeballs, not mentioning their fairly small footprint in Germany in comparison to other CDNs. These points aside, we are talking about a Content *Delivery* Network here. There are CDNs out there who burn to improve their customer experience (both the content creators and the content receiver) at high cost. Having a Tier1 attitude and telling eyeball networks with <1Gbps of traffic exchanged to bugger off or pay is not one of the ways to improve this. At the end of the day I'm going to charge CDNs who want to deliver their customers content to my eyeballs and make me pay (about 2USD per Mbps, with a minimum of 1Gbps). -dominik

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RE: Network diagram app that shows realtime link utilizatin
by Hank Disuko 01 May '12

01 May '12

Thanks, I'll see if I can pull the correct OID and try it with the Dude again. Also, thanks to everyone who has responded. I realize the term "realtime" is subjective - I'm looking for near-realtime...maybe a 30 second interval. I've been playing around with Intermapper for about 30 minutes now...i like this tool, but would like to see bitrates represented on the map as opposed to the "crawling ants". clicking around to see if kind of view is available... thanks again folks. Good example, in my case anyway, of NANOG outperforming Google (or at least my crappy attempts at google search terms). -Hank ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 13:22:35 -0400 > From: sreed(a)nwwnet.net > To: gourmetcisco(a)hotmail.com > Subject: Re: Network diagram app that shows realtime link utilizatin > > I monitor non-MT devices with the Dude. > As long as you know the OID, it works just fine. > > On 5/1/2012 12:41 PM, Hank Disuko wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > I wonder if anyone can recommend a network diagram tool that can show realtime link utilization via snmp? > > > > Mikrotik's "The Dude" app actually does exactly what I'm looking for, but the snmp support for non-RouterOS devices seems to be lacking, as it simply won't enumerate my switch interfaces in order to capture utilization. > > > > I've downloaded several trial tools (WhatsUp, NetCure, Solarwinds LANsurveyor etc.) but they don't serve this very basic need of mine to see the realtime link util in the diagram. > > > > Thanks, > > Hank Disuko > > > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4971 - Release Date: 05/01/12 > > > > > > > > -- > Scott Reed > Owner > NewWays Networking, LLC > Wireless Networking > Network Design, Installation and Administration > > > > Mikrotik Advanced Certified > > www.nwwnet.net > (765) 855-1060 > (765) 439-4253 > (855) 231-6239 > >

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Comcast DNS admin?
by Andrey Khomyakov 01 May '12

01 May '12

Is there Comcast DNS person. Please, contact off list --Andrey

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Power pricing in San Francisco Bay Area colocations?
by Ulf Zimmermann 01 May '12

01 May '12

I am trying to compare some pricing, anyone who has recently priced circuits such as 208V/30A single and 3-phase (max load factor of 40% for A+B power), could you tell me what you have been offered? I don't need the names of the companies the pricing comes from, just trying to see a snapshot of pricing, as I am currently in negotiation with one provider. Ulf.

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