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Optimal IPv6 router
by Glen Kent 07 Feb '12

07 Feb '12

Hi, Most routers today are basically IPv4 routers, with IPv6 thrown in. They are however designed keeping IPv4 in mind. With IPv6 growing, if we were to design a native IPv6 router, with IPv4 functionality thrown in, then is it possible to design a more optimal IPv6 router, than what exists today? Glen

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Any Covad / MegaPath folks around?
by Robert Glover 07 Feb '12

07 Feb '12

Hi, Looks like the Connect portal has been down for hours. Can someone from Covad / MegaPath ping me off-list? Thanks! Sincerely, Bobby Glover Director of Information Services South Valley Internet

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2012.02.06 NANOG54 monday morning session notes are up
by Matthew Petach 06 Feb '12

06 Feb '12

I posted my notes from this morning's session at http://kestrel3.netflight.com/2012.02.06-nanog54-morning-session.txt in case people find them to be useful. Thanks! Matt

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Re: Hijacked Network Ranges
by Scott Weeks 06 Feb '12

06 Feb '12

--- mtinka(a)globaltransit.net wrote: From: Mark Tinka <mtinka(a)globaltransit.net> A big fail to our community, for up to this day, not implementing basic routing and forwarding filters that would do away with all this cruft in the first place. Clearly the Youtube/Pakistan/PCCW incident has long been forgotten. ----------------------------------- I know of folks in charge of BGP enabled networks (with downstream BGP customers as well) that have never heard of the Youtube/Pakistan/PCCW incident and don't care if they put extra routes in the table and I doubt that is an isolated situation. Further, I doubt it will change unless they're forced to care by technology somehow. An unfortunate situation for sure... scott

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Hijacked Network Ranges
by Kelvin Williams 06 Feb '12

06 Feb '12

Greetings all. We've been in a 12+ hour ordeal requesting that AS19181 (Cavecreek Internet Exchange) immediately filter out network blocks that are being advertised by ASAS33611 (SBJ Media, LLC) who provided to them a forged LOA. The routes for networks: 208.110.48.0/20, 63.246.112.0/20, and 68.66.112.0/20 are registered in various IRRs all as having an origin AS 11325 (ours), and are directly allocated to us. The malicious hijacking is being announced as /24s therefore making route selection pick them. Our customers and services have been impaired. Does anyone have any contacts for anyone at Cavecreek that would actually take a look at ARINs WHOIS, and IRRs so the networks can be restored and our services back in operation? Additionally, does anyone have any suggestion for mitigating in the interim? Since we can't announce as /25s and IRRs are apparently a pipe dream. -- Kelvin Williams Sr. Service Delivery Engineer Broadband & Carrier Services Altus Communications Group, Inc. "If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail." -- Abraham Maslow

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ISP access in Hebron, KY
by Eric Gauthier 06 Feb '12

06 Feb '12

Hello, We're looking for DIA in the 20 - 50mbps range for a warehouse we have in Hebron, KY. CinBell has been a bit "slow" to respond to our DS3 requets, so I'm wondering who else in town has their own facilities (also wondering who might be a good for a backup circuit)? Thanks! Eric :)

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Verisign deep-hacked. For months.
by Jay Ashworth 06 Feb '12

06 Feb '12

Oh, my. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Key-Internet-operator-rb-2857339070.html Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra(a)baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274

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Thanks & Let's Prevent this in the Future.
by Kelvin Williams 06 Feb '12

06 Feb '12

First off, I'd like to thank everyone on this list who have reached out today and offered us help with our hijacked network space. It's so refreshing to see that there are still so many who refuse to leave a man/woman down. I'm not going to place any blame, its useless. There were lies, there were incompetencies, and there was negligence but that is now water under the bridge. However, I think that we as network operators have a duty to each other to make sure we don't allow a downstream customer wreck the operations of another entity who has been rightfully allocated resources. A few months ago, when establishing a new peering relationship I was encouraged (actually required) to utilize one of the IRRs. I took the time to register all of my routes, ASNs, etc. However, as I learned today, this was probably done in vain. Too many people won't spend the extra 30-seconds to verify the information listed there or in ARINs WHOIS. I don't care what a customer tells me, too many times I've found they aren't 100% honest either for malicious/fraudulent reasons or they are unknowing. So, for our networks or the networks we manage, we want to verify what a customer is saying to prevent what happened to us today. I'd like to get a conversation going and possibly some support of an initiative to spend that extra 30-seconds to verify ownership and authorization of network space to be advertised. Additionally, if someone rings your NOC's line an industry-standard process of verifying "ownership" and immediately responding by filtering out announcements. There's no sense in allowing a service provider to be impaired because a spammer doesn't want to give up clean IP space. Do you protect a bad customer or the Internet as a whole? I pick the Internet as a whole. How can we prevent anyone else from ever enduring this again? While we may never stop it from ever happening, spammers (that's what we got hit by today) are a dime a dozen and will do everything possible to hit an Inbox, so how can we establish a protocol to immediate mitigate the effects of an traffic-stopping advertisement? I thought registering with IRRs and up-to-date information in ARINs WHOIS was sufficient, apparently I was wrong. Not everyone respects them, but then again, they aren't very well managed (I've got several networks with antiquated information I've been unable to remove, it doesn't impair us normally, but its still there). What can we do? Better yet, how do we as a whole respond when we encounter upstream providers who refuse to look at the facts and allow another to stay down? kw -- Kelvin Williams Sr. Service Delivery Engineer Broadband & Carrier Services Altus Communications Group, Inc. "If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail." -- Abraham Maslow

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Re: Hijacked Network Ranges
by John Schneider 06 Feb '12

06 Feb '12

Another interesting thing that I noticed, is that AS33611 is not advertising any prefixes other than yours. Either they do not have any of their own (unlikely) or they are advertising their own legitimate prefixes from another AS however I doubt that is the case. It sounds like you were able to verify that this is indeed a malicious attack. If that is truly the case, I would certainly be in contact with your lawyers as this is certainly causing you financial loss and since it is easily verifiable, you would have a solid case i would think. I am no attorney but it seems like a no-brainer to me. So, it does look like you are finally announcing your prefixes as a /24 and that most traffic is again coming to your AS. that probably helped quite a bit right? Regards, John

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Super Sunday
by Jay Ashworth 06 Feb '12

06 Feb '12

What, no whacky weekend thread? NBC and the NFL are, for the first time, televising the Super Bowl and its preshow on the Internet... using a Silverlight app (so I hope you Linux people don't enjoy football). It's supposed to be available to tablets too, as a second-screen cast with selectable angles and such, but Verizontal has an exclusive on mobile, so the target page should bounce cellphones, unless a) they lie or b) they weren't smart enough to IP block the carrier ranges. http://mashable.com/2012/02/04/watch-super-bowl-xlvi-online/ It will be interesting to see how this works out. Enjoy the game. Especially if you have a Big Wall to watch it on. Cheers, -- jr 'we want pictures' a -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra(a)baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274

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