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The growth of municipal broadband networks
by Paul Graydon 27 Mar '11

27 Mar '11

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/133-us-cities-now-run-their… Ars Technica has a short article up about the growth of municipal networks, but principally a nice little 'hey check out this website' (http://www.muninetworks.org/communitymap) The whole scenario around municipal broadband networks in a hopefully unbiased nutshell: Increasing numbers cities and counties seem to be getting frustrated with what they see as the lack of progress in broadband speeds from their incumbent provider(s) (even after incumbent provider(s) have been approached requesting faster speeds) and are deciding to do it themselves. Chattanooga, Tennessee has become the poster child for the idea, able to offer 1Gbps to users and businesses at competitive prices ($150 pcm.) I'm curious how the feeling is on NANOG about shifting such provision towards municipal instead of corporations? I guess a rough summary of the competing views I've heard so far are: + It's fair and valid competition in the market, which is encouraging major ISPs to innovate instead of resting on their laurels and trying to do the bare minimum necessary to maintain their position and profits, an attitude that is stifling other economic growth? - Local government is sticking its nose in where it shouldn't, providing unfair competition and stifling normal market processes. Municipalities are operating on the false belief that large bandwidth will automatically bring silicon valley to them, without understanding the bigger picture. That it's time, money and resources better spent on tax incentives or other means of encouraging businesses. Paul

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New tsunami advisory warning - Japan
by andrew.wallace 27 Mar '11

27 Mar '11

More information from http://www.jma.go.jp/en/tsunami/ Andrew

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Using Region-X assigned IP space in Region-Y?
by Mark Leonard 27 Mar '11

27 Mar '11

Hello NANOG'ers, This is a question that popped into my mind recently. So far my google-fu has not turned up anything of use. Imagine a company that has an RIR-assigned IPv4/23, and has it subnetted into a pair of /24's so that they can have replicated datacenters in two different geographical locations each running its own BGP infrastructure (using the same ASN). As far as I can see, this is all fine and good assuming that these two sites are in the same RIR's domain. Is it possible/allowable to move one of these datacenters to a different geographical region with a different RIR and keep using the same two subnets, or will a new /24 need to be requested from the new RIR? If there's a book or reference that answers this question, please let me know - I'm willing to do as much research on my own as I can. Thanks!

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characterizing BGP updates (research topic?)
by Bill Bogstad 27 Mar '11

27 Mar '11

Under a different subject Bill Woodcock <woody(a)pch.net> wrote: > > On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: >> The question is whether "some data" is better than "no data". Honestly, I'm not sure. > > Yes, Patrick, I was just trying to be diplomatic about saying "not such a good idea" so he'd keep reading through to the end, where I suggested some other, possibly better, research topics. I am, however, certain that other people could suggest even better research topics. Good research topics are in demonstrably short supply among networking grad-students, so if y'all want to be helpful... I'm currently looking for data characterizing BGP updates. This page calls out 'bad' guys: http://bgpupdates.potaroo.net/instability/bgpupd.html but I haven't found anything yet which defines the terms or methodologies used. Is there a key for this page somewhere? Are there similar data sources for BGP update stats that go into more detail? I'm personally interested in being able to tell the difference between new announcements/withdrawals of a prefix to the Internet as a whole (insufficient redundancy?) vs. changes in best path (next hop). If I can get my hands on raw BGP update traffic info, I would even consider taking a stab at doing the analysis myself. Pointers to data/previous results (as well as comments on why this is a stupid question) are welcome. Thanks, Bill Bogstad

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Undersea fiber contractors
by Jeremy Parr 27 Mar '11

27 Mar '11

We are looking to install a few repeaterless undersea fiber runs <100miles at depths of no more than a few hundred feet. Does anyone have any leads?

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Google security
by Christopher Wolff 27 Mar '11

27 Mar '11

I have a client that acquired a domain name and affiliated company as a product of lengthy and extremely turbulent litigation. The client believes (and I have found evidence to suggest) that the previous owner is somehow interfering or interacting with the new owner's Google Analytics/Webmaster Tools/Places/Adwords accounts. Since I am representing the new owner, I am trying to find a forensics analyst or clueful contact at Google to act as an independent third party to 'certify' that in fact the previous owner is or is not interfering in the new owners Google Accounts. I've followed the standard protocol, i.e., post your question in the Google forums and wait for a response. To date the single response I've received is "change your password" which wasn't what I had in mind. If that contact or independent third-party forensics expert exists, I'd greatly appreciate any advice you can provide. Best regards, Christopher

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RE: ICANN approves .XXX red-light district for the Internet
by Brandon Butterworth 26 Mar '11

26 Mar '11

> What bothers me is that most companies are now going to be forced to > purchase .xxx domains simply to keep someone else from buying it That's the norm for new tld and a part of the their owners business plan. Probably most of their income given how little I see them used directly. > and sullying the company's image. In this case which would sully our name more, registering bbc.xxx ourselves or a 3rd party who is clearly not us once people see the content? brandon

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Which internal WAN protocol?
by Richard Dunn 26 Mar '11

26 Mar '11

I would appreciate it if list members could tell me which WAN routing protocol(s) you use and why? If you have changed from one to another what did you change from to and why did you make the changeover? If you use multiple protocols or same protocol redistribution for specific or other reasons if you could explain why I would appreciate it. On or off list as you prefer. Thank you. Richard

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Nortel, in bankruptcy, sells IPv4 address block for $7.5 million
by Eugen Leitl 25 Mar '11

25 Mar '11

http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2011/3/23/4778509.html Nortel, in bankruptcy, sells IPv4 address block for $7.5 million by Milton Mueller on Wed 23 Mar 2011 10:30 PM EDT | Permanent Link | ShareThis Wake up call for our friends in the Regional Internet Registries. Nortel, the Canadian telecommunications equipment manufacturer that filed for bankruptcy protection in 2009, has succeeded in making its legacy IPv4 address block an asset that can be sold to generate money for its creditors. The March 23 edition of the Dow Jones Daily Bankruptcy Report has reported that Nortel's block of 666,624 IPv4's was sold for $7.5 million - a price of $11.25 per IP address. The buyer of the addresses was Microsoft. More information is in its filing in a Delware bankruptcy court. Now the interesting question becomes, does the price of IPv4s go up or down from here? As the realities of dual stack sink in, I'm betting...up.

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BGP Update Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 25 Mar '11

25 Mar '11

BGP Update Report Interval: 17-Mar-11 -to- 24-Mar-11 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS42408 24658 1.6% 8219.3 -- TSV-AS JSC Company Transsviaz 2 - AS17224 24111 1.6% 1506.9 -- ATT-CERFNET-BLOCK - AT&T Enhanced Network Services 3 - AS9829 23312 1.5% 26.4 -- BSNL-NIB National Internet Backbone 4 - AS17974 20991 1.4% 25.4 -- TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT Telekomunikasi Indonesia 5 - AS11492 20566 1.3% 16.4 -- CABLEONE - CABLE ONE, INC. 6 - AS9498 20249 1.3% 27.5 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd. 7 - AS3833 19462 1.3% 216.2 -- WYOMING - wyoming.com 8 - AS32528 18566 1.2% 4641.5 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs 9 - AS35931 13636 0.9% 4545.3 -- ARCHIPELAGO - ARCHIPELAGO HOLDINGS INC 10 - AS44609 12916 0.8% 4305.3 -- FNA Fars News Agency Cultural Arts Institute 11 - AS24560 12895 0.8% 11.7 -- AIRTELBROADBAND-AS-AP Bharti Airtel Ltd., Telemedia Services 12 - AS27984 11101 0.7% 92.5 -- Ver Tv S.A. 13 - AS27738 10714 0.7% 31.7 -- Ecuadortelecom S.A. 14 - AS17451 10166 0.7% 43.4 -- BIZNET-AS-AP BIZNET ISP 15 - AS14420 10000 0.7% 15.6 -- CORPORACION NACIONAL DE TELECOMUNICACIONES - CNT EP 16 - AS25220 9703 0.6% 9703.0 -- GLOBALNOC-AS Averbo GmbH 17 - AS14522 9390 0.6% 21.9 -- Satnet 18 - AS45595 9189 0.6% 25.5 -- PKTELECOM-AS-PK Pakistan Telecom Company Limited 19 - AS17488 7853 0.5% 12.1 -- HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over Cable Internet 20 - AS7545 7327 0.5% 7.8 -- TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix) Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS25220 9703 0.6% 9703.0 -- GLOBALNOC-AS Averbo GmbH 2 - AS42408 24658 1.6% 8219.3 -- TSV-AS JSC Company Transsviaz 3 - AS51280 6091 0.4% 6091.0 -- AS51280 Parsian Electronic Commerce Company 4 - AS32528 18566 1.2% 4641.5 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs 5 - AS35931 13636 0.9% 4545.3 -- ARCHIPELAGO - ARCHIPELAGO HOLDINGS INC 6 - AS44609 12916 0.8% 4305.3 -- FNA Fars News Agency Cultural Arts Institute 7 - AS27217 4075 0.3% 4075.0 -- ACN-2 - America's Collectibles Network 8 - AS17225 1526 0.1% 1526.0 -- ATT-CERFNET-BLOCK - AT&T Enhanced Network Services 9 - AS17224 24111 1.6% 1506.9 -- ATT-CERFNET-BLOCK - AT&T Enhanced Network Services 10 - AS49600 1448 0.1% 1448.0 -- LASEDA La Seda de Barcelona, S.A 11 - AS17874 883 0.1% 883.0 -- NPC-AS-KR National Pension Corporation 12 - AS36912 605 0.0% 605.0 -- ORANGECM 13 - AS49042 584 0.0% 584.0 -- IPROCHIM-AS S.C. IPROCHIM S.A. 14 - AS22288 532 0.0% 532.0 -- RFBKCORP - Republic First Bancorp, Inc. 15 - AS28519 1560 0.1% 520.0 -- Universidad Autonoma de Guadalajara, A.C. 16 - AS56054 460 0.0% 460.0 -- ICON-INFOTECH-BD 5th floor, 56-57 Shareef Mention 17 - AS27771 906 0.1% 453.0 -- Instituto Venezolano de Investigaciones Cientificas 18 - AS51404 1246 0.1% 415.3 -- EULEX-AS EULEX Kosovo 19 - AS40220 391 0.0% 391.0 -- MATP - Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State Univ. 20 - AS38757 754 0.1% 377.0 -- ICONPLN-ID-AP PT. Indonesia Comnets Plus TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 1 - 79.98.204.0/22 12329 0.8% AS42408 -- TSV-AS JSC Company Transsviaz 2 - 79.98.200.0/22 12327 0.8% AS42408 -- TSV-AS JSC Company Transsviaz 3 - 202.92.235.0/24 11773 0.7% AS9498 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd. 4 - 85.197.100.0/22 9703 0.6% AS25220 -- GLOBALNOC-AS Averbo GmbH 5 - 130.36.34.0/24 9275 0.6% AS32528 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs 6 - 130.36.35.0/24 9274 0.6% AS32528 -- ABBOTT Abbot Labs 7 - 63.211.68.0/22 8045 0.5% AS35931 -- ARCHIPELAGO - ARCHIPELAGO HOLDINGS INC 8 - 178.22.79.0/24 6583 0.4% AS44609 -- FNA Fars News Agency Cultural Arts Institute 9 - 178.22.72.0/21 6317 0.4% AS44609 -- FNA Fars News Agency Cultural Arts Institute 10 - 212.80.25.0/24 6091 0.4% AS51280 -- AS51280 Parsian Electronic Commerce Company 11 - 198.140.43.0/24 5158 0.3% AS35931 -- ARCHIPELAGO - ARCHIPELAGO HOLDINGS INC 12 - 208.54.82.0/24 4562 0.3% AS701 -- UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 13 - 221.121.96.0/19 4426 0.3% AS7491 -- PI-PH-AS-AP PI-PHILIPINES 14 - 207.106.153.0/24 4075 0.2% AS27217 -- ACN-2 - America's Collectibles Network 15 - 203.192.204.0/24 3415 0.2% AS17665 -- IN2CABLE-AP AS Number of In2cable.com (India) Ltd. AS9498 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd. 16 - 203.192.205.0/24 3415 0.2% AS17665 -- IN2CABLE-AP AS Number of In2cable.com (India) Ltd. AS9498 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd. 17 - 68.65.152.0/22 3405 0.2% AS11915 -- TELWEST-NETWORK-SVCS-STATIC - TEL WEST COMMUNICATIONS LLC 18 - 206.184.16.0/24 3322 0.2% AS174 -- COGENT Cogent/PSI 19 - 202.153.174.0/24 3087 0.2% AS17408 -- ABOVE-AS-AP AboveNet Communications Taiwan 20 - 71.48.160.0/20 2045 0.1% AS6367 -- EMBARQ-KLLN - Embarq Corporation Details at http://bgpupdates.potaroo.net ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)nanog.org eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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