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Brief NANOG Mailing Lists Outage - 8/18/2010
by Michael K. Smith - Adhost 17 Aug '10

17 Aug '10

Hello All: This Wednesday morning at 7:00 a.m. EDT, Merit staff will replace the power supply on the NANOG server that operates the mailing lists. (The original power supply failed some time ago and was swapped for a part owned by a different project. In the operation on Wednesday, a new power supply will be installed.) This will result in a list outage that should last not more than 15 minutes if all goes well. Regards, Mike NANOG Communications Committee Chair

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Recycling old cabling?
by Justin M. Streiner 17 Aug '10

17 Aug '10

Just out of curiosity, is anyone here recycling old cabling and plant infrastructure for their raw materials, or engaging a recycler to handle those materials? Where I work, there is almost always a renovation project going on. This provides opportunities to rip out Cat3/Cat5/long-abandoned thicknet/thinnet/FDDI-grade fiber/etc, which we normally do. Most of the time that old cabling ends up in the dumpster, but I'm wondering if anyone is recycling it, either by their choice, or as the result of company policy or relevant laws in your area? Cat3/Cat5 can be broken down to raw materials with some effort, but I haven't seen many recyclers with an economically viable process for doing it. Coax is a bit tougher, but not impossible (same questions about economic viability still apply). Fiber can be tough, expecially if you're dealing with something like 20+ year old gel-buffered cable where the has long-since dried out. I'd be interested to hear other peoples' experiences along these lines. jms

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H.R. 3101: Twenty-first Century Communications Act
by Marshall Eubanks 17 Aug '10

17 Aug '10

This passed the House by 348-23 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-3101 <http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/100139-lawmakers-begin-…> While much of the focus is on closed captioning, there are several other pieces of this that SPs might be interested in. Here are two that strike me : SEC. 715. INTERNET PROTOCOL-BASED RELAY SERVICES. ‘Within one year after the date of enactment of the Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act of 2010, each interconnected VoIP service provider and each provider of non-interconnected VoIP service shall participate in and contribute to the Telecommunications Relay Services Fund established in section 64.604(c)(5)(iii) of title 47, Code of Federal Regulations, as in effect on the date of enactment of such Act, in a manner prescribed by the Commission by regulation to provide for obligations of such providers that are consistent with and comparable to the obligations of other contributors to such Fund.’. ------ SEC. 201. VIDEO PROGRAMMING AND EMERGENCY ACCESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. (e) (2) VIDEO DESCRIPTION, EMERGENCY INFORMATION, USER INTERFACES, AND VIDEO PROGRAMMING GUIDES AND MENUS- Within 18 months after the date of enactment of this Act, the Advisory Committee shall develop and submit to the Commission a report that includes the following: (A) An identification of the performance objectives for protocols, technical capabilities, and technical procedures needed to permit content providers, content distributors, Internet service providers, software developers, and device manufacturers to reliably encode, transport, receive, and render video descriptions of video programming and emergency information delivered using Internet protocol or digital broadcast television. Regards Marshall

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Re: Lightly used IP addresses
by Vadim Antonov 16 Aug '10

16 Aug '10

"Those who do not understand market are doomed to reimplementing it, badly". How come ARIN has any say at all if A wants to sell and B wants to buy? Trying to fend off the imaginary monopolistic hobgoblin? Or simply killing the incentive to actually do something about conservation and, yes, reingeneering the network to fix the address space shortage and prefix explosion?

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Fiber Cut in the DC Area
by Mike Gatti 16 Aug '10

16 Aug '10

Is anyone aware of a fiber cut that could be affecting the Washington DC area? Just opened a ticket with Verizon and heard of a fiber cut through some side conversations. -- Mike Gatti

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Re: Lightly used IP addresses
by John Curran 16 Aug '10

16 Aug '10

On Aug 13, 2010, at 1:55 PM, bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > could you provide 4 numbers for me please? > > % of ARIN managed resource covered by standard RSA? > % of ARIN managed legacy resource covered by legacy RSA? > % of ARIN managed legacy resource not otherwise covered? > % of ARIN region entities (A & B above) that have offices/relationships > with other RIRs that have a divergent transfer process in place? Bill - We'll work on generating these numbers to the extent possible for the upcoming meeting; back in April, I noted that we had about 21% of the legacy space (by total IP address count) under an LRSA (6%) or RSA (15%). For now, this is first order estimate for your second and third questions. These numbers keep going up, so we'll need some work to generate current ones for the next meeting. Regarding the last one, that's very difficult to obtain; how do you see it impacting the overall outcome? /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN

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One Wilshire Radio Room
by Max Clark 16 Aug '10

16 Aug '10

Hello all, I'm looking for someone with space in the One Wilshire Radio Room. Please contact me off list. Thanks Max (310) 906-0296 max.clark(a)gmail.com

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Geolocation tools - IPv6 style
by Harry Strongburg 16 Aug '10

16 Aug '10

Hello NANOG, first time writing to here. My inquiry for you is on the subject of IPv6 Geolocation tools; or better yet, the lack accuracy in them. My main problem comes from YouTube.com and other Google Geolocation required tools (Google Voice, being an example). I must set network.dns.disableIPv6 to true just to access a lot of videos on YouTube, and to access my Google voice and similar services. I am unsure what country it thinks I am from when I access via IPv6, but it sure thinks I am foreign to the US. I understand that all Geolocation can, at most, point to the local routing station of that person's ISP. The current progress in the IPv6 field of geolocation is mostly pointing at countries, not even states or cities unlike IPv4. Is there something majorly different about the ability to track IPs in v6, than there was in v4? Or are the main producers of this data just busy / do not see IPv6 as being profitable / not worth their time? Another problem I have (which isn't really relevant to the subject, but if anyone has the same problem when loading via IPv6 I would be interested in hearing about it), would be the loading of YouTube content. Pages will seemingly load partially, and always be "Waiting on s.ytimg.com". http://s.ytimg.com/ loads instantly for me via IPv6, but not via videos. Has anyone else experenced the same problem? If I use v4 to load YouTube, the video instantly loads. There could be heavy load from my broker (he.net) but all other sites load instantly. Thanks for your time.

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Lightly used IP addresses
by Robert Seastrom 15 Aug '10

15 Aug '10

At the risk of getting called out for posting possibly operationally significant stuff in the middle of a massive retrospective about WCOM's acquisitions, here's a circleid post from a couple days ago from John Curran at ARIN. http://www.circleid.com/posts/psst_interested_in_some_lightly_used_ip_addre… Discuss. :-) Sent at 55 MPH or slower from my iPhone

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40 x /18's and an ASN - was Re: Lightly used IP addresses
by Jeffrey Lyon 14 Aug '10

14 Aug '10

The vendor I referred to earlier that does not support IPv6 explained this in a private meeting, not a sales pitch. We already use their products extensively. The discussion was more to the tune of "we developed IPv6 support but stopped including it in the firmware releases because no one was using it." I informed them that we would use it so possibly by EOY we can have IPv6 support (note: I don't know if Telia and BandCon even support IPv6 yet? Yet another hurdle.) Jeff On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Frank Bulk <frnkblk(a)iname.com> wrote: > This week I was told by my sales person at Red Condor that I'm the only one > of his customers that is asking for IPv6. He sounded annoyed and it seemed > like he was trying to make me feel bad for being the "only oddball" pushing > the IPv6 feature requirement. I tried to explain to him that by this time > next year IANA will likely have handed out all their IPv4 blocks and that I > didn't have the time spend the first half of 2011 implementing IPv6 across > my $DAYJOB network, but wanted to spread that work over time. To his > credit, it's been on their to-do list for at least 6 months if not a year, > it's just been pushed back several quarters. > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen@delong.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:27 AM > To: Jeffrey Lyon > Cc: John Curran; nanog(a)nanog.org; Ken Chase > Subject: Re: Lightly used IP addresses > > > On Aug 13, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: > >> John et al, >> >> I have read many of your articles about the need to migrate to IPv6 >> and how failure to do so will impact business continuity sometime in >> the next 1 - 3 years. I've pressed our vendors to support IPv6 (note: >> keep in mind we're a DDoS mitigation firm, our needs extend beyond >> routers and switches) and found that it's a chicken and egg situation. >> Vendors are neglecting to support IPv6 because there is "no demand." >> I've pointed out your articles and demanded IPv6 support, some are >> promising results in the next several months. We will see. >> > I was at a trade show several months back. I watched a series of people > walk up to a vendor and each, in turn, asked about IPv6 support. The > vendor told each, in turn, "You're the only one asking for it." > > I walked up to the vendor and took my turn being told "You're the only > one asking for it." I pointed out that I had seen the other people get > the same answer. The sales person admitted he was caught red > handed and explained "We're working on it, but, we don't have a > definite date and so our marketing department has told us to downplay > the demand and the importance until we have something more > definitive." > > <snip> > > Owen > > > > -- Jeffrey Lyon, Leadership Team jeffrey.lyon(a)blacklotus.net | http://www.blacklotus.net Black Lotus Communications of The IRC Company, Inc. Follow us on Twitter at http://twitter.com/ddosprotection to find out about news, promotions, and (gasp!) system outages which are updated in real time. Platinum sponsor of HostingCon 2010. Come to Austin, TX on July 19 - 21 to find out how to "protect your booty."

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