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Re: Out-of-band paging (was: Web expert ...)
by Joel M Snyder 28 Jul '10

28 Jul '10

From: Jim Richardson <weaselkeeper(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: Web expert on his 'catastrophe' key for the internet > > As wonderful as the new communications paradigms are, do we also > > have a situation now developing where it might eventually become > > very difficult or even impossible to ensure out-of-band lines of > > communications remain available? > > >That's already a problem for getting alert pages. Any actual *pager* >companies left? They all seem to have gone to SMS systems. Yes, several, although SMS is a better strategy today as far as I can tell. Skytel (now Velocita Wireless) has a fine 2-way network, which we used until early last year. We switched over to Metrotel, which had a smaller form-factor unit w/o 2-way which was better for us, for about a year. However, we have completely cut over to SMS for alert pages now. Multitech makes a nice little GSM modem that sits on a serial port on your alerting systems. I threw AT&T SIMs in them, wrote a tiny bit of glue to convert from email alerts to SMS alerts, and now we get all of our alerts using SMS. There's lots of open source code to handle the modems. It's completely out-of-band, even more so than our old touch-tone-phone-paging system was, so I'm actually happier with the total performance. Given that GSM coverage is increasing while pager coverage seems static or decreasing, SMS via out-of-band GSM looks like a great solution. Even situations like major power outages which would eventually take down cell towers w/o generators (or with malfunctioning generation) aren't a real concern because you usually have plenty of notice before the power goes all the way out... jms -- Joel M Snyder, 1404 East Lind Road, Tucson, AZ, 85719 Senior Partner, Opus One Phone: +1 520 324 0494 jms(a)Opus1.COM http://www.opus1.com/jms

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DSL or T1 Service to Equinix DC5, Ashburn, VA
by Christopher Nielsen 27 Jul '10

27 Jul '10

We've been trying to get a DSL line to our cage at Equinix DC5 in Ashburn, VA with no luck. It seems there is no DSL service in the area; that's what we've been told anyway. Anyone know differently? Alternately, any thoughts on a good provider for a T1? Replies off-list, please. Thanks! -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson

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v6 bgp peer costs?
by Zaid Ali 27 Jul '10

27 Jul '10

I currently have a v4 BGP session with AS 701 and recently requested a v6 BGP session to which I was told a tunnel session will be provided (Same circuit would be better but whatever!). Towards the final stage in discussions I was told that it will cost $1500. I find this quite ridiculous and it will certainly not motivate people to move to v6 if providers put a direct price tag on it. I am going through a bandwidth reseller though so I am not sure who is trying to jack me here. Has anyone here gone through a similar experience? Thanks, Zaid

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Re: IPv4 Exhaustion...
by khatfield＠socllc.net 26 Jul '10

26 Jul '10

Hello, From our past experience this can be accomplished without issue as long as you have good log records and tracking in place. Ensure you have long-term retention for the logs to cover yourself. Many ISP's are moving to this sort of environment simply due to the reasoning stated. -Kevin ------Original Message------ From: Positively Optimistic To: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: IPv4 Exhaustion... Sent: Jul 23, 2010 12:11 PM How do ISPs handle RIAA notices when NATTING customers.. ? We have several customers that don't require public address space that could be moved to private.. We're reluctant to make the move due to legal liabilities..

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IPv4 Exhaustion...
by Positively Optimistic 26 Jul '10

26 Jul '10

How do ISPs handle RIAA notices when NATTING customers.. ? We have several customers that don't require public address space that could be moved to private.. We're reluctant to make the move due to legal liabilities..

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Who controlls the Internet?
by Tarig Yassin 26 Jul '10

26 Jul '10

Deal all I want to show you some obstacles that some countries face them every day. For example when users from Sudan trying to access some web site they will get a *Forbidden Access Error* message. And some messages say: you are forbidden to access this web site because your IP address appears form country black listed due to USA government policy. I would like to issue a question here, who controls this Internet? ThanksTarig _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

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3com switching geeks?
by Michael 'Moose' Dinn 26 Jul '10

26 Jul '10

Any 3com switching geeks out there? Contact me offlist if you don't mind a question or two. thanks

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Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course
by Brandon Butterworth 26 Jul '10

26 Jul '10

>> Eventually ARIN (or someone else will do it for them) may create a site ... > Did you mean something like this maybe ?: > > http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/ula/ Q.E.D. The RFC seeks to avoid a registry so we end up with the potential for many as a result. May as well have had ARIN do it officially in the first place so there'd only be one. brandon

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ho controlls the Internet?
by Robert West 25 Jul '10

25 Jul '10

I thought it was Kim Jong-il. At least that was what was on the memo............. Bob- -----Original Message----- From: andrew.wallace [mailto:andrew.wallace@rocketmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:58 PM To: tariq198487(a)hotmail.com Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Re: Who controlls the Internet? On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Tarig Yassin <tariq198487(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > I would like to issue a question here, who controls this Internet? The truth to your question is, anybody who wants to. Hackers, activists, governments, terrorists all have the ability to control it. But probably not all at the same time. With the increase in irresponsible security disclosures by folks such as Tavis Ormandy, power and control is very much being handed to "the people". I have been campaigning for a while to get tighter laws introduced on irresponsible security disclosures, to give the government more control over the internet. Andrew Wallace

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Re: Who controlls the Internet?
by Robert Bonomi 25 Jul '10

25 Jul '10

> From: Tarig Yassin <tariq198487(a)hotmail.com> > To: nanog <nanog(a)nanog.org> > Subject: Who controlls the Internet? > Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:24:27 +0300 > > > Deal all > > I want to show you some obstacles that some countries face them every day. > > For example when users from Sudan trying to access some web site they will > get a *Forbidden Access Error* message. > > And some messages say: you are forbidden to access this web site because > your IP address appears form country black listed due to USA government > p= > y. > I would like to issue a question here, who controls this Internet? "Fluffy owns USENET", as everybody knows, and her big mean brother owns the Internet. I could tell you his name, but then I'd have to kill you. Whether you like it or not, the government of a country where a server is located, and/or where the service operator is located, *CAN* dictate terms to that server or service operator. There are _no_ 'uniform' international rules, or guarantees of aceess. Be thankful you're not in China, where attempts to access 'forbidden' sites can bring the secret police knocking. Or some of the Middle East Countries, where *everything* going out-of- country goes through government-owned/-operated censorship boxes. The answer to your question -- "as asked" -- is "everybody, and NOBODY". Any government entity can enact laws concerning what people _within_ _their_jurisdiction_ can do over the Internet, just as they can regulate any other aspcet of 'life'. OTOH, there's no international authority you have to go to, to get a 'license' to get on the Internet and use it. except to whatever extent it is controlled by local government, you can set up services, buy connectivity from whomever you want, and -do- whatever you want, regardless of whether or not such activities make you a 'good net neighbor' or a 'bad' one. As for your particular 'problem', some countries have intternational reputations for being 'bad neighbors'. Things like financing known terrorist organizations, providing various facilities and training capabilities, etc. Countries that do things like this -- or more properly _allow_ things like this to go on within their jurisdiction, run the risk of being cast as 'beyond the pale' by those countries that frown on such things. In which case, any resources that _might_ help those 'bad guys' with ther malevolent efforts are denied to _anyone_ from that country. If you don't like being in that classification, take it up with *your* government. Good Luck.

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