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Re: On the control of the Internet.
by Brandon Butterworth 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

> > Paul Baran's rand paper was on survivable networks. The arpanet was not > > that network. > > I worry now if it will survive the people that operate it. I doubt it. When the machines rise up against us they will kill the current net and carry on with their own IPv8 network. brandon

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stumbleupon contact
by Martin Hepworth 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

Hi If there's anyone here from stumbleupon can you please contact me reguarding a security issue please. To everyone else, appologies for the noise. -- Martin Hepworth Oxford, UK

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Re: Monitoring Tool
by nanogf . 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

http://www.invea-tech.com/products-and-services/flowmon/flowmon-overview You can try FlowMon on our online demo : https://demo.invea.cz/ Login: flowmon Password: flowmondemo By the way, please register to our partner portal to have access to all the documentation : http://www.invea-tech.com/support/ --- joshua.klubi(a)gmail.com wrote: From: Joshua William Klubi <joshua.klubi(a)gmail.com> To: khatfield(a)socllc.net Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Re: Monitoring Tool Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:05:33 +0000 Well Kelvin I am looking at monitoring the network actually not the servers as for the budget , there is no limit,since it is coming down from management they are looking for solutions, that can monitor bandwidth and provide report based on specific times. I don't know of any off head , but i do know of solar winds and nagios but i taught there might be other solutions available. Joshua On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:57 AM, <khatfield(a)socllc.net> wrote: > When you say monitoring... > > Do you mean servers and network gear or just network? What type of gear? > What kind of information are looking to get? (How detailed?) > > What kind of budget do you have? > > Really all of those are needed to make a recommendation. I'm guessing this > is a small network? How many devices? > > -Kevin > ------Original Message------ > From: Joshua William Klubi > To: nanog(a)nanog.org > Subject: Monitoring Tool > Sent: Jun 14, 2010 2:12 AM > > Hi > I have been tasked to develop a good network for a Bank and i have also > been > tasked to get a good monitoring tool for the Bank's local network and > Service providers network. i would like to ask the community > to help recommend the best tool out there that can help me do this > > Joshua > > > _____________________________________________________________ Get your own *free* email address like this one from www.OwnEmail.com

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Re: Monitoring Tool
by Joshua William Klubi 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

Well Kelvin I am looking at monitoring the network actually not the servers as for the budget , there is no limit,since it is coming down from management they are looking for solutions, that can monitor bandwidth and provide report based on specific times. I don't know of any off head , but i do know of solar winds and nagios but i taught there might be other solutions available. Joshua On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:57 AM, <khatfield(a)socllc.net> wrote: > When you say monitoring... > > Do you mean servers and network gear or just network? What type of gear? > What kind of information are looking to get? (How detailed?) > > What kind of budget do you have? > > Really all of those are needed to make a recommendation. I'm guessing this > is a small network? How many devices? > > -Kevin > ------Original Message------ > From: Joshua William Klubi > To: nanog(a)nanog.org > Subject: Monitoring Tool > Sent: Jun 14, 2010 2:12 AM > > Hi > I have been tasked to develop a good network for a Bank and i have also > been > tasked to get a good monitoring tool for the Bank's local network and > Service providers network. i would like to ask the community > to help recommend the best tool out there that can help me do this > > Joshua > > >

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Re: Monitoring Tool
by khatfield＠socllc.net 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

When you say monitoring... Do you mean servers and network gear or just network? What type of gear? What kind of information are looking to get? (How detailed?) What kind of budget do you have? Really all of those are needed to make a recommendation. I'm guessing this is a small network? How many devices? -Kevin ------Original Message------ From: Joshua William Klubi To: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Monitoring Tool Sent: Jun 14, 2010 2:12 AM Hi I have been tasked to develop a good network for a Bank and i have also been tasked to get a good monitoring tool for the Bank's local network and Service providers network. i would like to ask the community to help recommend the best tool out there that can help me do this Joshua

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Hello
by Diego Sanchez 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

Hello How do I unsubscribe from regular e- mail Diego

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On the control of the Internet.
by Larry Sheldon 14 Jun '10

14 Jun '10

http://volokh.com/2010/06/13/32843/ What happens when the US shuts down part of its part? Depends on what part it shut down, of course. But what are the available boundaries for the parts in question? Will that have to change? For example--what happens when name-service information for a part that is not shutdown comes from a part that is? What if an exchange point for parts that are not shutdown is shutdown. And spare me the tinfoil hat stuff--tinfoil hats have not worked for a year or more. -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Eppure si rinfresca ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml

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Re: On the control of the Internet.
by Larry Sheldon 13 Jun '10

13 Jun '10

On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote: >>>> How about the case where the master zone file has be amputated and the >>>> secondaries can no longer get updates? Mea culpa. That was suppose to say "How about the case where the master zone file has beEN amputated and the secondaries can no longer get updates? My apologies. -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Eppure si rinfresca ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml

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Re: On the control of the Internet.
by Alexander Harrowell 13 Jun '10

13 Jun '10

I'll bet that is a political statement, against list rules. Larry is currently making up a really high percentage of list traffic and this is beginning to annoy. L "Larry Sheldon" <LarrySheldon(a)cox.net> wrote: >On 6/13/2010 15:54, Joe Greco wrote: > >> If we want to be pedantic, Sony this year announced that it is shutting >> down its production of floppy disks by next year. Of course, the choice >> of "floppy disk" is irrelevant, and I'm guessing you know it. If your >> devices are more comfortable with CD-ROM or USB MicroSD readers, then by >> all means. > >I certainly hoped that that was the case, but not very long ago I read a >current "Emergency Recovery Plan" that depended on 9-track 1600BPI round >reel tapes in a shop that had not had a drive like that for ten years. > > >> Long before NANOG, there was actually a time that some of us hauled >> around things like USENET on magnetic media, because it was simply the >> highest bandwidth yet cheapest method to haul large amounts of data >> around the city, back when a Telebit Trailblazer was still vaguely able >> to cope with a USENET feed - and for a little while thereafter. > >Wide Band Truck was a major component of plans long ago. > >And I wish I had a nickel for every round-real tape in Anvil case I >escorted through airports. > >> If your network has been so thoroughly taken over that you cannot hope >> to get a file from a computer that does have a floppy over to your DNS >> server, you have Much Bigger Problems to begin with... > >And that is the issue I was trying to raise. > >> Our monitoring systems are definitely able to detect when connectivity >> goes away. What happens if and when that happens is generally left up >> to a human to decide. The sorts of brokenness that one might potentially >> discover if the government were to corrupt connectivity is much more >> complex than simple on/off; I feel comfortable saying that the best plan >> is to have diversity of resources and some in-depth knowledge, since that >> also serves normal engineering needs well. > >I'll bet you think The Stimulus created jobs. > >-- >Somebody should have said: >A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. > >Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting >the vote. > >Requiescas in pace o email >Ex turpi causa non oritur actio >Eppure si rinfresca > >ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs >http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml > > > -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

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Re: On the control of the Internet.
by Larry Sheldon 13 Jun '10

13 Jun '10

On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote: > What happens? The master zone simply doesn't get updated until someone > FedEx's a floppy. You know, some of us made these sorts of contingency > plans long ago, back in days when the Internet actually wasn't all that > reliable, and it wasn't completely unthinkable to be off the air for at > least 24 hours. Interesting plan. I've got a Gateway computer down stairs that can write a 3.5 inch floppy and a Micron tower (running Windows 2000 the last time it was powered up) that can write 5 inch floppies. When I left active administration in 2003, out of 30 or so machines running BIND I can't recall one that has a floppy drive of any sort. > It's not that rough, these days, to install some monitoring to make sure > that your zones are up to date on the secondaries and that they resolve > names correctly; some operators used to even get really super-freakazoid > and do zone transfers back to allow verification. Here, we draw the line > at checking the SOA's for consistency and checking one other beacon record > for resolvability. That's clearly not a solution aimed at warning about > non-transferable zones; it raises some interesting questions. Think maybe > I'll go asking on dnsops what, if anything, people do to monitor. "monitor" implies connectivity. The OP was about the possibility that the government would deny you connectivity. Please try to stay n topic. -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Eppure si rinfresca ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml

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