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RE: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests
by David Hubbard 30 Apr '09

30 Apr '09

From: Frank Bulk - iName.com [mailto:frnkblk@iname.com] > > It appears that ARIN wants to raise the IP addressing space > issue to the CxO level -- if it was interested in honesty, > ARIN would have required a notarized statement by the person > submitting the request. If ARIN really wants to get the > interest of CEOs, raise the price! > Raising the price won't help; there's already a huge amount of wasted address space by web hosts selling IP addresses to customers who need them solely for 'seo purposes' rather than allocating them in return for a reasonable technical justification. If ARIN raises the prices, it will hurt hosts who allocate their space in a responsible manner and those who don't will just charge more for the right to have one of these seo-friendly exclusive IP's that webmasters so righteously believe will make their sites #1 on google. We regularly lose business thanks to something that goes a little like this: "Can I get a block of 100 IP's for no particular reason?", no, "My old host let me, I just had to pay $100/month for it." One of Google's seo spam team members actually blogged on this topic after a nanog post I made about this a few years back, and I still send it to people asking for IP's for seo reasons and even then they don't believe me. If ARIN would enforce a technically justified use of IPv4 space that does not recognize "seo" as a valid reason, that would definitely help, otherwise web hosts will keep selling IP space to their customers at prices that let them keep buying more. And since the policy allows it currently, the CEO signing off on it will also be valid. David

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Looking for Abuse Contact at AT&T
by Stasiniewicz, Adam 30 Apr '09

30 Apr '09

Hello, I am looking for someone to help escalate an abuse case at AT&T (if it matters, specifically the former Southwestern Bell servicing the San Francisco area). I have been emailing abuse(a)sbcglobal.net, abuse(a)swbell.net, and abuse(a)att.com since 3/35 and all I have received are automated responses with case numbers. I have also attempted to call 800-648-1626 numerous times with no success. I can provide case numbers off list. Thank you! Adam Stasiniewicz Direct: 575-233-7672

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[NANOG-announce] NANOG 46 agenda announced; reduced rate registration expiring soon
by Todd Underwood 29 Apr '09

29 Apr '09

Howdy, An updated agenda for NANOG46 has been posted at: http://nanog.org/meetings/nanog46/agenda.php you might notice that this NANOG features: * Keynote by Paul Vixie on "Internet Superbugs and the Art of War" * A ton of useful tutorials including Dani Roisman's popular "BGP Load Balancing", and new tutorials from Richard Steenbergen, "Production v6 Network in 30 minutes or less" and Martin Hannigan "Network Capacity RFP" * The popular Peering and Security tracks * New v6 operational content and experience * Lots of other great, operational presentations So I would humbly suggest that you (collectively) register for NANOG46 ( https://nanog.merit.edu/registration/ ) as quickly as possible. Discounted registration ends in less than two weeks (on May 10) so save yourself $75 and get registered. You know you're going to go, so just go already. If you require an invitation or travel letter for visa purposes, please send mail to nanog-support(a)nanog.org. I would *strongly* suggest you reserve a hotel room if you have not already. The last several NANOGs all available discounted rooms in the room block have gone very quickly. ( http://nanog.org/meetings/nanog46/hotel.php ) Note that the program is now almost completely full (there are 2-3 slots left that are saved for conditionally accepted talks that are already in progress or any presentations dealing with late-breaking events, but the event would have to be exceptionally significant and interesting). If you didn't submit for this NANOG conference, please consider submitting a presentation for NANOG47. (http://pc.nanog.org) Lightning talk submission will open on May 14. Lightning talks are short (10 minute maximum) presentations submitted immediately prior to or during the conference. Lightning talks are particularly appropriate for material that is too short to fill a normal Plenary presentation slot or too timely to have been submitted with sufficient anticipation. Lightning talks are also an opportunity for presenters to get early feedback on a new or still-gestating idea. The first round of Lightning talks will be selected on June 9 and will be announced immediately prior to the start of the conference. Additional lightning talks will be selected during the conference. Looking forward to seeing all of you in Philadelphia, Todd Underwood, Chair NANOG Program Commitee _______________________________________________ NANOG-announce mailing list NANOG-announce(a)nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-announce

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Study of IPv6 Deployment
by Elliott Karpilovsky 28 Apr '09

28 Apr '09

Hello everyone. My name is Elliott Karpilovsky, a student at Princeton University. In collaboration with Alex Gerber (AT&T Research), Dan Pei (AT&T Research), Jennifer Rexford (Princeton University), and Aman Shaikh (AT&T Research), we studied the extent of IPv6 deployment at both global and local levels. Our conclusions can be summarized by the following three points: 1.) IPv6 deployment is not seen as a pressing issue. 2.) We saw a lack of meaningful IPv6 traffic (mostly DNS/Domain and ICMP messages), possibly indicating that IPv6 networks are still experimental. 3.) Studying Teredo traffic suggested that it may be used for NAT busting by P2P networks. Our paper (submitted and presented at PAM 2009) can be found at http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~elliottk/ipv6study.html . If you have comments or feedback with respect to these results, please feel free to express them. Thank you.

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Concerning MPLS paths
by Saqib Ilyas 28 Apr '09

28 Apr '09

Hello everyone In the context of a single service provider network running MPLS, if a number of bandwidth constrained LSPs are passing through a particular node and the sum of the bandwidth constraints for the LSPs is X Mb/s, then is X the upper bound on the traffic through that node, or is it sometimes exceeded as well? Thanks and best regards

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Is everyone getting the ShimizuHarune@yahoogroups.jp ugliness?
by Jack Bates 28 Apr '09

28 Apr '09

nanog-bounces+alamiki1623=yahoo.co.jp(a)nanog.org I'm rather shocked that yahoogroups.jp allows a group to have addresses included in it that haven't confirmed opt-in. The constant loop of nanog through the group to my mailbox as trash (I don't read foreign languages, thus trash) is annoying. Anyone else having this problem? Who can kindly kill that address from the list feed until the genius piping that address's email into ShimizuHarune(a)yahoogroups.jp stops (and hopefully kindly deletes the group or removes my email address from it). Jack

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RE: route flap dampening
by Jonathan Park 28 Apr '09

28 Apr '09

I see. Yes, I also heard that many networks have RFD enabled although it is not recommended, and I was wondering why that would be. So far from the responses, it seems to me that the reasons are: 1. to protect the network resources 2. to confine the flapping announcements made by customers locally within your network (easier to debug) Do you have any other reasons if you use RFD? Thanks Kevin and everyone for the responses. Jonathan > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:35:10 -0600 > From: Epperson(a)Colorado.EDU > To: j13park(a)hotmail.com > Subject: Re: route flap dampening > > In general I am against route flap dampening -- however many networks > still have it enabled and when a customer flaps a few times and calls my > operations center I want to be able to clear it on *my* network rather > than having to tell them to call misc other network or coordinate that on > their behalf. > > -Kevin (Level3) > > On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Jonathan Park wrote: > > > > > Hello all, > > I was wondering how many of you use route flap dampening in your network. > > If you have it enabled, what is the main reason? > > > > Thank you! > > Jonathan _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mo…

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Re: Beer
by Hector Herrera 28 Apr '09

28 Apr '09

Hmmm ... beeer ... chicken wings ... is it lunch time yet? Anybody here from Vancouver BC that wants to go for beer and wings? 2009/4/28 Leigh Porter <leigh.porter(a)ukbroadband.com>: > > Lets all meet up for beer and talk about this. We could form a group and > support eachother. > > Steven Walker wrote: >> STOP SENDING ME BULLSHIT -- Hector Herrera President Pier Programming Services Ltd.

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Spam to the list from Japan...
by Richard Golodner 28 Apr '09

28 Apr '09

Apparently no operational content here. Thanks to Google’s translation service: Date: 2009 Tuesday, April 28 Subject: - I have not seen in Aomori I have not seen is it hourly. How are you everyone. I'm relaxed and still. Now, in Aomori.来REMASHITA finally. Tetsu and because you live in the Hirosaki cherry blossoms in full bloom by TOMO, Ohanami also do it? I was invited to work with KIRASAN. But since I missed the last plane (perspiration), soft bear that has been "let's go by train, the train" I mean, I came by train. He was quite sudden so I眠RETA by a train. Peaceful train journey BONBI no. That world is still a lot of things happening. Taepodong or flying. Uproar in Japan and in the nude for her talent. It's overwrought media. Of laughed, "He yelled words of mystery" as a headline article. Cry for no reason and reasoned in terms of people and a naked and drunk. Anything mysterious ... (laughs) Hatoyama anger over her (laughs) There is important work that IMEJIKYARAKUTA, certainly as a society should care because it was in a position of responsibility I have. Maybe it was also like one叫BITAI Park. It is more painful is always good young man. The chest hurt from it, a nursing mother's 30 News was cute singer who committed suicide at the grave of the father before you continue. This is not someone else. Previously, only one son were hard to stop work to care for the mother of dementia, and to kill my mother die at the Kamogawa Kawahara行KI場Without missing a little money There was a scandal. TSURAKATTA or how. I read the news and reported涙GUMI and even the judge in the court ruling and compassionate decision. Cry every time you recall it. I must be alone in the bay so far? I do not have the time this goes to why .... I read the end of his mistake and feel sorry that Aso is smacked in the media and how it can look trashy, but I think gold or temporary benefits, and it looks like the effect, I think it's kind. BARAMAI consumption to increase by even a little money I do not think .... Rapidly entering the age of retirement of baby boomers coming from it. Care issues Is very concerned about. Tetsuya Komuro and that .... I hope in my heart for everything you can think .... Not seen in the eyes of ordinary people know it, and now that we should not say anything because I think I'm not. Nico JASRAC or acting like, I often I step on a land mine wrote something ... (sweat) and I think it is proper to consider the issue and the publicity I got from Nico's motion. In full today at the Sakura Sakura and cherry blossoms of Hirosaki Castle from when you live by Tetsu & TOMO. I could do two times. After the live CD or sold.物販so help me, near you, please come and see you. Cherry, great fun, but have not seen yet. So, lie down! !

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大和一家[00244] 久しぶりですー青森にいます
by alamiki1623＠yahoo.co.jp 28 Apr '09

28 Apr '09

日付： 2009年04月28日 (火) 件名：久しぶりですー青森にいます　毎度のことですが久しぶりです。みなさまお元気ですか。私は相変わらずのんびりとしています。今、青森にいます。やっと来れました。テツ＆トモさんが桜満開の弘前でライブをするというので、お花見も兼ねてどう？とさくまあきらさんに誘われました。でも前回飛行機乗り遅れたので（汗）、さくまさんがやんわり「電車で行こうよ、電車で」というので、電車で来ましたよー。4時間だけど新幹線で眠れたのでけっこうあっという間でした。ボンビーも出ない平和な電車の旅。　世の中は相変わらずいろいろなことが起こっていますね。テポドン飛んだり…。全裸になったタレントさんについて日本中大騒ぎしたり。マスコミ騒ぎ過ぎでしょ。笑ったのは「謎の言葉を叫んでいた」というような見出しの記事。酔っ払って全裸にまでなっている人が理路整然とした言葉で叫ぶわけもなく。謎も何も…(笑) 鳩山さんも怒り過ぎ(笑) イメージキャラクターという大事なお仕事があるから、確かに社会人としては責任ある立場だったので気をつけるべきではあるけれど。ひとり公園で叫びたいようなことでもあったのかもしれないし。いつもいつも好青年でいるほうがつらいかも。　それより胸が痛んだのは、お母様の介護を30年続けてお父様のお墓の前で自殺してしまったかわいらしい歌手の方のニュース。他人事ではないです。以前、認知症の母親の介護のために仕事をやめてたったひとりでがんばっていた息子が、お金もほとんどなくなって行き場をなくして鴨川の川原で母親を殺して自分も死のうとした事件がありました。どんなにつらかったか…。判決も温情判決で裁判官さえ涙ぐみながら判決を言い渡したとニュースで読みました。それを思い出すたび泣けてきます。どうしてひとりきりでここまで追い詰められなければならないのか。どうしてこういう時にすがるところがないのか…。　麻生さんも読み間違いとか果ては顔つきだとかくだらないことでマスコミに叩かれてかわいそうだとは思うけれど、一時給付金とか、効果がなさそうなことしてて、なんだかなあと思ったりします。お金をちょっとずつばらまいても消費拡大にはならないと思う…。それよりこれから団塊の世代が一気に老後に入る時代。介護問題がとても気になります。　そして小室哲哉さんのこと…。思うことありますが心の中でいろいろと願っています…。知っている人だから普通の視線で見られないし、考えられない自分がいるので何も言わないほうがいいなと今は思ってます。　JASRACとかニコ動とか、私、何か書いて地雷を踏むことが多いんですよね…（汗）ニコ動さんから教えてもらったパブリシティの問題もちゃんと考えないとと思いつつそのままになってます。　　で、今日2時から弘前のお城と桜・桜・桜だらけのところで、テツ＆トモさんがライブをします。２回やるそうですよ。ライブの後にCDを売ったりします。私も物販のお手伝いするので、どうぞお近くの方は見に来てください。すばらしい桜、まだ見てないけど楽しみです。では、寝よう！！ --------------------------------- Power up the Internet with Yahoo! Toolbar.

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