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Re: Ubiquity<->Mzima routing loop
by Sena, Rich 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

Man it's been awhile... "Godwin..." errr maybe it's "Nazi" - or perhaps "Boursey" damn how do we stop this again?!?! Please only reply if you remember the magic word to make this thread stop! -- via the Blackberry Xpress! ----- Original Message ----- From: Guy_Shields(a)Stream.Com <Guy_Shields(a)Stream.Com> To: Paul Wall <pauldotwall(a)gmail.com> Cc: nanog <nanog(a)merit.edu> Sent: Fri Jul 18 22:33:12 2008 Subject: Re: Ubiquity<->Mzima routing loop No, a true routing loop will transit several hops and end back up at the same routers. A bouncing route between 2 routers is usually a directly connected route on an interface that goes down thereby "pulling" the route with out a nail down route it will send unkown route back out its default gateway. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wall" [pauldotwall(a)gmail.com] Sent: 07/18/2008 10:25 PM AST To: Guy Shields Cc: nanog <nanog(a)merit.edu> Subject: Re: Ubiquity<->Mzima routing loop Isn't that what a routing loop is, when it loops back out to the transit/interface from which it entered? Paul On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:07 PM, <Guy_Shields(a)stream.com> wrote: > This is not a routing loop. It is simply a route that was not tied down via a static route to NULL with a weight of 254. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Wall" [pauldotwall(a)gmail.com] > Sent: 07/18/2008 06:57 PM AST > To: "William Pitcock" <nenolod(a)systeminplace.net> > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Ubiquity<->Mzima routing loop > > > > I'd like to rip on Mzima as much as the next guy, but I'm not sure how > they could "fix" this routing loop, shy of some creative ACLs. > > You should try contacting Ubiquity, as this traceroute looks like an > issue on their (Mzima's customer's) side. > > Paul Wall > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:27 PM, William Pitcock > <nenolod(a)systeminplace.net> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Can someone at Ubiquity or Mzima fix this routing loop: >> >> traceroute to hg.atheme.org (72.37.225.164), 30 hops max, 40 byte >> packets >> 1 64.62.134.193 12.402 ms 12.370 ms 12.363 ms >> 2 ge5-0.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (206.223.119.62) 16.003 ms 15.985 ms >> 15.964 ms >> 3 ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 14.139 ms 14.858 >> ms 14.838 ms >> 4 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 15.875 ms 15.854 ms >> 16.497 ms >> 5 ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 14.747 ms 14.763 >> ms 14.745 ms >> 6 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 16.405 ms 8.773 ms >> 8.758 ms >> 7 ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 9.831 ms * * >> 8 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 4.417 ms 4.403 ms >> 4.381 ms >> 9 * * * >> 10 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 4.293 ms 4.933 ms >> 4.914 ms >> 11 * * * >> 12 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 14.527 ms 14.526 ms >> 14.438 ms >> 13 * * * >> 14 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 14.352 ms 14.335 ms >> 3.770 ms >> 15 * * * >> 16 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 3.684 ms 13.897 ms >> 13.897 ms >> 17 * * * >> 18 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 8.599 ms 8.581 ms >> 8.668 ms >> 19 * * ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 8.246 ms >> 20 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 8.584 ms 8.565 ms >> 8.545 ms >> 21 * * ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 8.119 ms >> 22 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 8.456 ms 8.931 ms >> 8.913 ms >> 23 * ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 6.049 ms * >> 24 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 15.862 ms 15.754 ms >> 15.736 ms >> 25 ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 7.132 ms * 7.092 >> ms >> 26 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 15.293 ms 15.998 ms >> 10.752 ms >> 27 ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 5.353 ms 5.336 >> ms * >> 28 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 3.800 ms 3.854 ms >> 3.823 ms >> 29 * * * >> 30 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 3.228 ms 4.426 ms >> 13.019 ms >> >> Thanks! >> >> William >> >> >> > >

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Re: Ubiquity<->Mzima routing loop
by Guy_Shields＠Stream.Com 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

This is not a routing loop. It is simply a route that was not tied down via a static route to NULL with a weight of 254. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wall" [pauldotwall(a)gmail.com] Sent: 07/18/2008 06:57 PM AST To: "William Pitcock" <nenolod(a)systeminplace.net> Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Ubiquity<->Mzima routing loop I'd like to rip on Mzima as much as the next guy, but I'm not sure how they could "fix" this routing loop, shy of some creative ACLs. You should try contacting Ubiquity, as this traceroute looks like an issue on their (Mzima's customer's) side. Paul Wall On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:27 PM, William Pitcock <nenolod(a)systeminplace.net> wrote: > Hi, > > Can someone at Ubiquity or Mzima fix this routing loop: > > traceroute to hg.atheme.org (72.37.225.164), 30 hops max, 40 byte > packets > 1 64.62.134.193 12.402 ms 12.370 ms 12.363 ms > 2 ge5-0.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (206.223.119.62) 16.003 ms 15.985 ms > 15.964 ms > 3 ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 14.139 ms 14.858 > ms 14.838 ms > 4 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 15.875 ms 15.854 ms > 16.497 ms > 5 ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 14.747 ms 14.763 > ms 14.745 ms > 6 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 16.405 ms 8.773 ms > 8.758 ms > 7 ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 9.831 ms * * > 8 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 4.417 ms 4.403 ms > 4.381 ms > 9 * * * > 10 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 4.293 ms 4.933 ms > 4.914 ms > 11 * * * > 12 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 14.527 ms 14.526 ms > 14.438 ms > 13 * * * > 14 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 14.352 ms 14.335 ms > 3.770 ms > 15 * * * > 16 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 3.684 ms 13.897 ms > 13.897 ms > 17 * * * > 18 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 8.599 ms 8.581 ms > 8.668 ms > 19 * * ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 8.246 ms > 20 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 8.584 ms 8.565 ms > 8.545 ms > 21 * * ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 8.119 ms > 22 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 8.456 ms 8.931 ms > 8.913 ms > 23 * ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 6.049 ms * > 24 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 15.862 ms 15.754 ms > 15.736 ms > 25 ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 7.132 ms * 7.092 > ms > 26 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 15.293 ms 15.998 ms > 10.752 ms > 27 ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 5.353 ms 5.336 > ms * > 28 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 3.800 ms 3.854 ms > 3.823 ms > 29 * * * > 30 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 3.228 ms 4.426 ms > 13.019 ms > > Thanks! > > William > > >

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Ubiquity<->Mzima routing loop
by William Pitcock 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

Hi, Can someone at Ubiquity or Mzima fix this routing loop: traceroute to hg.atheme.org (72.37.225.164), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 64.62.134.193 12.402 ms 12.370 ms 12.363 ms 2 ge5-0.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (206.223.119.62) 16.003 ms 15.985 ms 15.964 ms 3 ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 14.139 ms 14.858 ms 14.838 ms 4 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 15.875 ms 15.854 ms 16.497 ms 5 ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 14.747 ms 14.763 ms 14.745 ms 6 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 16.405 ms 8.773 ms 8.758 ms 7 ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 9.831 ms * * 8 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 4.417 ms 4.403 ms 4.381 ms 9 * * * 10 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 4.293 ms 4.933 ms 4.914 ms 11 * * * 12 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 14.527 ms 14.526 ms 14.438 ms 13 * * * 14 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 14.352 ms 14.335 ms 3.770 ms 15 * * * 16 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 3.684 ms 13.897 ms 13.897 ms 17 * * * 18 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 8.599 ms 8.581 ms 8.668 ms 19 * * ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 8.246 ms 20 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 8.584 ms 8.565 ms 8.545 ms 21 * * ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 8.119 ms 22 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 8.456 ms 8.931 ms 8.913 ms 23 * ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 6.049 ms * 24 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 15.862 ms 15.754 ms 15.736 ms 25 ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 7.132 ms * 7.092 ms 26 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 15.293 ms 15.998 ms 10.752 ms 27 ge0-ubiquity.cust.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.158) 5.353 ms 5.336 ms * 28 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 3.800 ms 3.854 ms 3.823 ms 29 * * * 30 ge0-12.cr01.ord01.mzima.net (72.37.148.157) 3.228 ms 4.426 ms 13.019 ms Thanks! William

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Looking for Network Solutions mail admin
by randal k 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

NANOGers, We're getting the run around from Network Solutions e-mail front-end support personnel and only canned replies from the postmaster, with no escalation available because we're the sender (i.e. not paying). Basic problem is that we have a client mail gateway that is unable to send mail to a particular netsol-hosted domain; acts like an RBL issue, even though the IP is squeeky clean. Can a NetSol email admin with some clue drop me a line? Thanks in advance -- Randal

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Weekly Routing Table Report
by Routing Analysis Role Account 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to bgp-stats(a)lists.apnic.net For historical data, please see http://thyme.apnic.net. If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith <pfs(a)cisco.com>. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 19 Jul, 2008 Report Website: http://thyme.apnic.net Detailed Analysis: http://thyme.apnic.net/current/ Analysis Summary ---------------- BGP routing table entries examined: 263570 Prefixes after maximum aggregation: 129383 Deaggregation factor: 2.04 Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 128648 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 28709 Prefixes per ASN: 9.18 Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 25036 Origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 12109 Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 3673 Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 76 Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table: 3.6 Max AS path length visible: 19 Max AS path prepend of ASN ( 3816) 15 Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 585 Unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 215 Number of 32-bit ASNs allocated by the RIRs: 50 Prefixes from 32-bit ASNs in the Routing Table: 8 Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table: 0 Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space: 778 Number of addresses announced to Internet: 1894510496 Equivalent to 112 /8s, 235 /16s and 239 /24s Percentage of available address space announced: 51.1 Percentage of allocated address space announced: 62.1 Percentage of available address space allocated: 82.3 Percentage of address space in use by end-sites: 72.7 Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 128645 APNIC Region Analysis Summary ----------------------------- Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes: 60485 Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 22626 APNIC Deaggregation factor: 2.67 Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks: 57467 Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks: 25516 APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 3307 APNIC Prefixes per ASN: 17.38 APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 882 APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 518 Average APNIC Region AS path length visible: 3.5 Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 19 Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet: 368124960 Equivalent to 21 /8s, 241 /16s and 36 /24s Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 78.4 APNIC AS Blocks 4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431 (pre-ERX allocations) 23552-24575, 37888-38911, 45056-46079 APNIC Address Blocks 58/8, 59/8, 60/8, 61/8, 112/8, 113/8, 114/8, 115/8, 116/8, 117/8, 118/8, 119/8, 120/8, 121/8, 122/8, 123/8, 124/8, 125/8, 126/8, 202/8, 203/8, 210/8, 211/8, 218/8, 219/8, 220/8, 221/8, 222/8, ARIN Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes: 121119 Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation: 65323 ARIN Deaggregation factor: 1.85 Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks: 90675 Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 35130 ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 12293 ARIN Prefixes per ASN: 7.38 ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 4747 ARIN Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 1155 Average ARIN Region AS path length visible: 3.3 Max ARIN Region AS path length visible: 15 Number of ARIN addresses announced to Internet: 352742688 Equivalent to 21 /8s, 6 /16s and 109 /24s Percentage of available ARIN address space announced: 72.5 ARIN AS Blocks 1-1876, 1902-2042, 2044-2046, 2048-2106 (pre-ERX allocations) 2138-2584, 2615-2772, 2823-2829, 2880-3153 3354-4607, 4865-5119, 5632-6655, 6912-7466 7723-8191, 10240-12287, 13312-15359, 16384-17407 18432-20479, 21504-23551, 25600-26591, 26624-27647, 29696-30719, 31744-33791 35840-36863, 39936-40959, 46080-47103 ARIN Address Blocks 24/8, 63/8, 64/8, 65/8, 66/8, 67/8, 68/8, 69/8, 70/8, 71/8, 72/8, 73/8, 74/8, 75/8, 76/8, 96/8, 97/8, 98/8, 99/8, 173/8, 174/8, 199/8, 204/8, 205/8, 206/8, 207/8, 208/8, 209/8, 216/8, RIPE Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by RIPE Region ASes: 56703 Total RIPE prefixes after maximum aggregation: 34477 RIPE Deaggregation factor: 1.64 Prefixes being announced from the RIPE address blocks: 51898 Unique aggregates announced from the RIPE address blocks: 34879 RIPE Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 11614 RIPE Prefixes per ASN: 4.47 RIPE Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 6089 RIPE Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 1740 Average RIPE Region AS path length visible: 4.0 Max RIPE Region AS path length visible: 18 Number of RIPE addresses announced to Internet: 366805568 Equivalent to 21 /8s, 221 /16s and 2 /24s Percentage of available RIPE address space announced: 84.1 RIPE AS Blocks 1877-1901, 2043, 2047, 2107-2136, 2585-2614 (pre-ERX allocations) 2773-2822, 2830-2879, 3154-3353, 5377-5631 6656-6911, 8192-9215, 12288-13311, 15360-16383 20480-21503, 24576-25599, 28672-29695 30720-31743, 33792-35839, 38912-39935 40960-45055, 47104-48127 RIPE Address Blocks 62/8, 77/8, 78/8, 79/8, 80/8, 81/8, 82/8, 83/8, 84/8, 85/8, 86/8, 87/8, 88/8, 89/8, 90/8, 91/8, 92/8, 93/8, 94/8, 95/8, 193/8, 194/8, 195/8, 212/8, 213/8, 217/8, LACNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------ Prefixes being announced by LACNIC Region ASes: 20673 Total LACNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 5279 LACNIC Deaggregation factor: 3.92 Prefixes being announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 18896 Unique aggregates announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 10693 LACNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 966 LACNIC Prefixes per ASN: 19.56 LACNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 316 LACNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 162 Average LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.1 Max LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 18 Number of LACNIC addresses announced to Internet: 53626880 Equivalent to 3 /8s, 50 /16s and 72 /24s Percentage of available LACNIC address space announced: 53.3 LACNIC AS Blocks 26592-26623, 27648-28671, plus ERX transfers LACNIC Address Blocks 186/8, 187/8, 189/8, 190/8, 200/8, 201/8, AfriNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------- Prefixes being announced by AfriNIC Region ASes: 4008 Total AfriNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 1190 AfriNIC Deaggregation factor: 3.37 Prefixes being announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 4300 Unique aggregates announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 1895 AfriNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 241 AfriNIC Prefixes per ASN: 17.84 AfriNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 75 AfriNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 47 Average AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 3.9 Max AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 14 Number of AfriNIC addresses announced to Internet: 12311296 Equivalent to 0 /8s, 187 /16s and 219 /24s Percentage of available AfriNIC address space announced: 36.7 AfriNIC AS Blocks 36864-37887 & ERX transfers AfriNIC Address Blocks 41/8, 196/8, APNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ---------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 4755 1671 342 176 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 17488 1219 84 96 Hathway IP Over Cable Interne 9583 1170 89 481 Sify Limited 4766 852 6390 347 Korea Telecom (KIX) 23577 829 35 703 Korea Telecom (ATM-MPLS) 4134 824 13539 334 CHINANET-BACKBONE 9498 711 547 58 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 4780 707 351 63 Digital United Inc. 18101 690 167 32 Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet 4808 617 1111 137 CNCGROUP IP network: China169 Complete listing at http://thyme.apnic.net/current/data-ASnet-APNIC ARIN Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 209 3008 3859 625 Qwest 6389 2662 3260 195 bellsouth.net, inc. 6298 1606 233 782 Cox Communicatons 4323 1482 1061 379 Time Warner Telecom 2386 1477 646 873 AT&T Data Communications Serv 7018 1415 6247 988 AT&T WorldNet Services 11492 1210 149 32 Cable One 1785 1087 510 104 AppliedTheory Corporation 18566 1045 296 10 Covad Communications 20115 1041 1059 558 Charter Communications Complete listing at http://thyme.apnic.net/current/data-ASnet-ARIN RIPE Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 3292 414 1792 372 TDC Tele Danmark 3301 332 1460 303 TeliaNet Sweden 3320 322 7047 270 Deutsche Telekom AG 8452 319 188 11 TEDATA 8866 317 77 21 Bulgarian Telecommunication C 5462 296 666 27 Telewest Broadband 8551 287 269 38 Bezeq International 3215 286 2758 90 France Telecom Transpac 680 274 2047 264 DFN-IP service G-WiN 6746 269 126 244 Dynamic Network Technologies, Complete listing at http://thyme.apnic.net/current/data-ASnet-RIPE LACNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ----------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 8151 1384 2590 225 UniNet S.A. de C.V. 11830 612 299 9 Instituto Costarricense de El 22047 565 270 14 VTR PUNTO NET S.A. 7303 471 232 63 Telecom Argentina Stet-France 16814 426 27 10 NSS, S.A. 6471 414 85 48 ENTEL CHILE S.A. 11172 408 118 71 Servicios Alestra S.A de C.V 10620 406 106 64 TVCABLE BOGOTA 14117 375 23 9 Telefonica del Sur S.A. 20299 335 23 98 NEWCOM AMERICAS Complete listing at http://thyme.apnic.net/current/data-ASnet-LACNIC AfriNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ------------------------------------------ ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 24863 476 61 24 LINKdotNET AS number 20858 398 34 3 EgyNet 3741 270 853 225 The Internet Solution 2018 209 204 102 Tertiary Education Network 6713 143 135 11 Itissalat Al-MAGHRIB 33783 135 10 12 EEPAD TISP TELECOM & INTERNET 5713 130 556 75 Telkom SA Ltd 5536 120 8 17 Internet Egypt Network 29571 107 13 8 Ci Telecom Autonomous system 33776 99 6 7 Starcomms Nigeria Limited Complete listing at http://thyme.apnic.net/current/data-ASnet-AFRINIC Global Per AS prefix count summary ---------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 209 3008 3859 625 Qwest 6389 2662 3260 195 bellsouth.net, inc. 4755 1671 342 176 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 6298 1606 233 782 Cox Communicatons 4323 1482 1061 379 Time Warner Telecom 2386 1477 646 873 AT&T Data Communications Serv 7018 1415 6247 988 AT&T WorldNet Services 8151 1384 2590 225 UniNet S.A. de C.V. 17488 1219 84 96 Hathway IP Over Cable Interne 11492 1210 149 32 Cable One Complete listing at http://thyme.apnic.net/current/data-ASnet Global Per AS Maximum Aggr summary ---------------------------------- ASN No of nets Net Savings Description 6389 2662 2467 bellsouth.net, inc. 4755 1671 1495 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 11492 1210 1178 Cable One 8151 1384 1159 UniNet S.A. de C.V. 17488 1219 1123 Hathway IP Over Cable Interne 4323 1482 1103 Time Warner Telecom 18566 1045 1035 Covad Communications 1785 1087 983 AppliedTheory Corporation 22773 971 907 Cox Communications, Inc. 6478 1003 835 AT&T Worldnet Services Complete listing at http://thyme.apnic.net/current/data-CIDRnet List of Unregistered Origin ASNs (Global) ----------------------------------------- Bad AS Designation Network Transit AS Description 16927 UNALLOCATED 12.0.252.0/23 701 UUNET Technologies, 22492 UNALLOCATED 12.2.46.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Servic 15132 UNALLOCATED 12.9.150.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Servic 32567 UNALLOCATED 12.14.170.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Servic 13632 UNALLOCATED 12.20.55.0/24 6517 Yipes Communications 13746 UNALLOCATED 12.24.56.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Servic 32567 UNALLOCATED 12.25.107.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Servic 13632 UNALLOCATED 12.31.25.0/24 6517 Yipes Communications 27220 UNALLOCATED 12.35.204.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Servic 26973 UNALLOCATED 12.39.152.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Servic Complete listing at http://thyme.apnic.net/current/data-badAS Advertised Unallocated Addresses -------------------------------- Network Origin AS Description 24.48.244.0/23 7843 Adelphia Corp. 24.51.159.0/24 7843 Adelphia Corp. 24.54.23.0/24 7843 Adelphia Corp. 24.54.224.0/19 20001 HoldCo LLC - Road Runner 24.75.160.0/19 7843 Adelphia Corp. 24.75.192.0/18 7843 Adelphia Corp. 24.142.40.0/21 7018 AT&T WorldNet Services 24.142.160.0/19 7018 AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.0.0/17 7018 AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.128.0/18 7018 AT&T WorldNet Services Complete listing at http://thyme.apnic.net/current/data-add-IANA Number of prefixes announced per prefix length (Global) ------------------------------------------------------- /1:0 /2:0 /3:0 /4:0 /5:0 /6:0 /7:0 /8:19 /9:9 /10:16 /11:45 /12:146 /13:287 /14:517 /15:1041 /16:10011 /17:4336 /18:7517 /19:15887 /20:18525 /21:18193 /22:22730 /23:23637 /24:137913 /25:837 /26:1030 /27:778 /28:82 /29:7 /30:1 /31:0 /32:6 Advertised prefixes smaller than registry allocations ----------------------------------------------------- ASN No of nets Total ann. Description 209 1760 3008 Qwest 6389 1664 2662 bellsouth.net, inc. 6298 1582 1606 Cox Communicatons 11492 1194 1210 Cable One 2386 1174 1477 AT&T Data Communications Serv 17488 1033 1219 Hathway IP Over Cable Interne 18566 1026 1045 Covad Communications 9583 1025 1170 Sify Limited 4755 1023 1671 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 6478 994 1003 AT&T Worldnet Services Complete listing at http://thyme.apnic.net/current/data/sXXas-nos Number of /24s announced per /8 block (Global) ---------------------------------------------- 4:7 8:125 12:2091 13:2 15:22 16:3 17:5 18:13 20:35 24:1092 25:1 32:61 38:450 40:92 41:657 43:1 44:2 47:12 52:3 55:3 56:3 57:25 58:524 59:507 60:452 61:1009 62:1206 63:2031 64:3288 65:2386 66:3509 67:1229 68:735 69:2266 70:799 71:118 72:1961 73:5 74:1064 75:155 76:315 77:749 78:748 79:203 80:934 81:840 82:592 83:377 84:559 85:960 86:413 87:687 88:338 89:1316 90:15 91:1386 92:224 93:691 94:56 96:40 97:31 98:253 99:2 112:1 113:1 114:90 115:3 116:843 117:320 118:190 119:440 120:59 121:562 122:796 123:363 124:890 125:1168 128:361 129:199 130:132 131:410 132:66 133:9 134:186 135:33 136:223 137:91 138:147 139:94 140:493 141:98 142:406 143:325 144:384 145:51 146:366 147:157 148:517 149:198 150:129 151:180 152:144 153:136 154:10 155:251 156:174 157:291 158:187 159:239 160:279 161:118 162:210 163:154 164:525 165:452 166:318 167:330 168:621 169:138 170:423 171:32 172:10 188:1 189:287 190:2206 192:5798 193:4095 194:3231 195:2525 196:1042 198:3734 199:3270 200:5566 201:1462 202:7639 203:8045 204:3987 205:2132 206:2383 207:2762 208:3422 209:3510 210:2592 211:1074 212:1411 213:1610 214:164 215:49 216:4426 217:1195 218:343 219:421 220:1059 221:465 222:306 End of report

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Managed, cheap, DC power switches
by Brandon Bennett 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

I have a need for cheap managed DC power switches for our OSS and Monitoring (backoffice). I was wondering what everyone else have found in this space. I am currently using Cisco 2950's, but those are still 2.5K list and seems like too much to spend on something so trivial. I am looking for something with: * Better port density (48 ports per 1U), but 24 ports would work. * IOS like configuration (not needed, but would be nice not to crosstrain my team) I really don't want anything that is Web only. * CHEAP. The gear is mostly just for monitoring and big backplanes and features are not really needed. Thanks, Brandon

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Re: Force10 E300 vs. Juniper MX480
by John Sweeting 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

I certainly agree with Keith and we are pushing "a lot" of traffic through our Force10 boxes i.e. E1200's, E600's and a few E300's. As a company they are wery responsive and easy to work with. Dual cam is definitely recommended. ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith O'neill <keith(a)pando.com> To: Chris Marlatt <cmarlatt(a)rxsec.com> Cc: nanog <nanog(a)merit.edu> Sent: Fri Jul 18 10:34:51 2008 Subject: Re: Force10 E300 vs. Juniper MX480 Force 10 is fine. I do suggest he go with the dual cam cards over the regular cards. I am not sure what Chris is talking about but I have used Force 10 for a long time, E, C and S series and have found it very stable. It will do everything you want and then some. The E300 is a good bang for the buck. Sure Foundry might be cheaper but I hear more complaining about Foundry than any other platform. Chris you want to share what issues you have seen with Force 10. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Marlatt" <cmarlatt(a)rxsec.com> To: "Joe Abley" <jabley(a)ca.afilias.info> Cc: "nanog" <nanog(a)merit.edu> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:43:33 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: Force10 E300 vs. Juniper MX480 Joe Abley wrote: > Hi all, > > An acquaintance who runs an ISP with an M7i on its border is looking to > upgrade, because the M7i is starting to creak from all the flesh-tone > MPEGs his customers are sharing. (How times have changed. Back when I > was chasing packets, it was flesh-tone JPEGs.) > > He's looking at the MX480 and the E300. > > The MX480 is attractive because the M7i has been stable as a rock, and > he's familiar with JUNOS. > > The E300 is attractive because it's half the price of the MX480, and has > the potential to hold layer-2 cards as well as layer-3 ports which makes > the price per port much more reasonable than the MX480. But he has no > experience with Force10 at any ISO layer higher than 2. > > He doesn't have any exotic requirements beyond OSPF, OSPFv3, BGP, IP and > IPv6. There's no MPLS in the picture, for example. However, he's going > to want four or five full tables plus a moderate load of peering routes > in there. And maybe VRRP. > > Thoughts from people who have tried one or the other, or both? Or who > have faced this kind of problem, and came up with a different answer? > > Feel free to send mail off-list; I can summarise if there is interest. > > > Joe > I would avoid Force10 if at all possible. In the network I managed I've had some fairly surprising stability problems with their S series switches and feature problems (or lack there of) on their E series. Things you kind of scratch your head at and wonder what they were thinking. Juniper on the other hand is indeed a bit pricier but quite a stable platform. If he has to look at alternatives I would suggest Foundry, either the RX-8, MLX-8, or XMR-8000 (depending on requirements) for comparable models to the MX480. Regards, Chris

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BGP Update Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

BGP Update Report Interval: 16-Jun-08 -to- 17-Jul-08 (32 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS2.0 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS4538 214212 2.8% 42.8 -- ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education and Research Network Center 2 - AS9583 117999 1.6% 94.2 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 3 - AS17488 87641 1.2% 67.2 -- HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over Cable Internet 4 - AS5691 72620 1.0% 5586.2 -- MITRE-AS-5 - The MITRE Corporation 5 - AS8866 68509 0.9% 214.1 -- BTC-AS Bulgarian Telecommunication Company Plc. 6 - AS17974 51591 0.7% 70.5 -- TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT Telekomunikasi Indonesia 7 - AS4766 51237 0.7% 38.9 -- KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom 8 - AS1803 42042 0.6% 33.5 -- ICMNET-5 - Sprint 9 - AS12455 39062 0.5% 640.4 -- JAMBONET 10 - AS306 38170 0.5% 208.6 -- DNIC - DoD Network Information Center 11 - AS8151 36688 0.5% 26.1 -- Uninet S.A. de C.V. 12 - AS13620 34420 0.5% 6884.0 -- ASN-ELAN - Elan Communications, Inc. 13 - AS18231 33335 0.4% 137.7 -- EXATT-AS-AP IOL NETCOM LTD 14 - AS702 32658 0.4% 59.2 -- AS702 Verizon Business EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 15 - AS7738 31275 0.4% 101.5 -- Telecomunicacoes da Bahia S.A. 16 - AS5803 30695 0.4% 159.9 -- DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 17 - AS9498 29235 0.4% 23.1 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 18 - AS9394 29002 0.4% 19.0 -- CRNET CHINA RAILWAY Internet(CRNET) 19 - AS10396 28980 0.4% 149.4 -- COQUI-NET - DATACOM CARIBE, INC. 20 - AS25994 28945 0.4% 203.8 -- NPG-001 - NPG Cable, INC TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix) Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS13620 34420 0.5% 6884.0 -- ASN-ELAN - Elan Communications, Inc. 2 - AS30850 12526 0.2% 6263.0 -- DESMIE-AS Hellenic Trasmission System Operator S.A. 3 - AS5691 72620 1.0% 5586.2 -- MITRE-AS-5 - The MITRE Corporation 4 - AS29910 5352 0.1% 5352.0 -- IACP - INTL. ASSN OF CHIEF OF POLICEI 5 - AS44656 4916 0.1% 4916.0 -- HOLOSFIND-ROMANIA HOLOSFIND SRL 6 - AS40256 16965 0.2% 4241.2 -- ACS-HCMS-ASN - Affiliated Computer Services, Inc. 7 - AS23082 18898 0.2% 3779.6 -- MPHI - Michigan Public Health Institute 8 - AS40831 7375 0.1% 3687.5 -- ROBERTSDYBDAHL - Roberts & Dybdahl Inc. 9 - AS44194 3436 0.1% 3436.0 -- FREIFUNK-BERLIN-AS Freifunk Berlin 10 - AS27245 6406 0.1% 3203.0 -- HEIDRICK-CHICAGO - HEIDRICK 11 - AS38513 3201 0.0% 3201.0 -- LINTASARTA-AS-ID PT Aplikanusa Lintasarta 12 - AS27786 2868 0.0% 2868.0 -- SSA SISTEMAS S.A. 13 - AS39105 2650 0.0% 2650.0 -- CLASS-AS SC Class Computers And Service SRL 14 - AS32133 2387 0.0% 2387.0 -- JOHNSTONE-SUPPLY - Atwater Supply dba Johnstone Supply 15 - AS25250 7070 0.1% 2356.7 -- GAMTEL-AS 16 - AS28361 2072 0.0% 2072.0 -- 17 - AS10571 3758 0.1% 1879.0 -- GEOACCESS-AS - GeoAccess 18 - AS36966 1756 0.0% 1756.0 -- Edgenet 19 - AS30560 17083 0.2% 1708.3 -- GE-MS001 - General Electric Company 20 - AS31065 11742 0.2% 1677.4 -- MCIT TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 1 - 192.12.120.0/24 72506 0.9% AS5691 -- MITRE-AS-5 - The MITRE Corporation 2 - 221.134.222.0/24 46688 0.6% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 3 - 83.228.71.0/24 44137 0.6% AS8866 -- BTC-AS Bulgarian Telecommunication Company Plc. AS8953 -- ASN-ORANGE-ROMANIA Orange Romania Autonomous System Number 4 - 210.214.128.0/23 26270 0.3% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 5 - 24.121.123.0/24 25721 0.3% AS25994 -- NPG-001 - NPG Cable, INC 6 - 221.128.192.0/18 25235 0.3% AS18231 -- EXATT-AS-AP IOL NETCOM LTD 7 - 213.91.175.0/24 19518 0.2% AS8866 -- BTC-AS Bulgarian Telecommunication Company Plc. 8 - 210.214.144.0/24 17042 0.2% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 9 - 194.126.143.0/24 14156 0.2% AS9051 -- IDM Autonomous System 10 - 195.47.233.0/24 12501 0.2% AS30850 -- DESMIE-AS Hellenic Trasmission System Operator S.A. 11 - 203.63.26.0/24 11119 0.1% AS9747 -- EZINTERNET-AS-AP EZInternet Pty Ltd 12 - 81.21.104.0/24 10929 0.1% AS31065 -- MCIT 13 - 216.255.56.0/21 7378 0.1% AS7106 -- OHIOBRIGHTNET - Com Net, Inc. 14 - 210.214.26.0/24 6969 0.1% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 15 - 64.68.1.0/24 6959 0.1% AS13620 -- ASN-ELAN - Elan Communications, Inc. 16 - 64.68.9.0/24 6952 0.1% AS13620 -- ASN-ELAN - Elan Communications, Inc. 17 - 64.68.3.0/24 6926 0.1% AS13620 -- ASN-ELAN - Elan Communications, Inc. 18 - 216.151.192.0/19 6792 0.1% AS13620 -- ASN-ELAN - Elan Communications, Inc. 19 - 64.68.0.0/24 6791 0.1% AS13620 -- ASN-ELAN - Elan Communications, Inc. 20 - 203.101.87.0/24 6586 0.1% AS9498 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. Details at http://bgpupdates.potaroo.net ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

This report has been generated at Fri Jul 18 21:14:57 2008 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 11-07-08 274275 170531 12-07-08 274087 171010 13-07-08 274400 170893 14-07-08 274150 171484 15-07-08 274371 171717 16-07-08 274410 172301 17-07-08 274703 172692 18-07-08 274967 172913 AS Summary 28851 Number of ASes in routing system 12197 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 4982 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS4538 : ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education and Research Network Center 88350976 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS721 : DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 18Jul08 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 275106 173019 102087 37.1% All ASes AS4538 4982 881 4101 82.3% ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education and Research Network Center AS209 3026 684 2342 77.4% ASN-QWEST - Qwest AS6389 2660 363 2297 86.4% BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc. AS4755 1679 226 1453 86.5% VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonomous System AS18566 1045 40 1005 96.2% COVAD - Covad Communications Co. AS22773 971 81 890 91.7% CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. AS17488 1219 337 882 72.4% HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over Cable Internet AS4323 1477 634 843 57.1% TWTC - tw telecom holdings, inc. AS8151 1382 575 807 58.4% Uninet S.A. de C.V. AS6298 1606 848 758 47.2% COX-PHX - Cox Communications Inc. AS19262 926 211 715 77.2% VZGNI-TRANSIT - Verizon Internet Services Inc. AS11492 1209 518 691 57.2% CABLEONE - CABLE ONE AS1785 1085 416 669 61.7% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec Communications, Inc. AS2386 1493 897 596 39.9% INS-AS - AT&T Data Communications Services AS18101 685 135 550 80.3% RIL-IDC Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet Data Centre, AS6478 1003 469 534 53.2% ATT-INTERNET3 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS4766 878 390 488 55.6% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS4808 617 163 454 73.6% CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network China169 Beijing Province Network AS855 591 149 442 74.8% CANET-ASN-4 - Bell Aliant AS17676 525 83 442 84.2% GIGAINFRA BB TECHNOLOGY Corp. AS22047 565 128 437 77.3% VTR BANDA ANCHA S.A. AS7018 1437 1003 434 30.2% ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS9443 515 90 425 82.5% INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications AS4668 680 273 407 59.9% LGNET-AS-KR LG CNS AS4780 710 316 394 55.5% SEEDNET Digital United Inc. AS6197 955 569 386 40.4% BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS4804 454 79 375 82.6% MPX-AS Microplex PTY LTD AS3602 456 83 373 81.8% AS3602-RTI - Rogers Telecom Inc. AS4134 824 453 371 45.0% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS16814 426 74 352 82.6% NSS S.A. Total 36081 11168 24913 69.0% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.38.0.0/17 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.48.0.0/13 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.48.244.0/23 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.51.159.0/24 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.54.23.0/24 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.54.224.0/19 AS20001 ROADRUNNER-WEST - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.75.160.0/19 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.75.192.0/18 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.142.40.0/21 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 24.142.160.0/19 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.0.0/17 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 62.61.220.0/24 AS24974 TACHYON-EU Tachyon Europe BV - Wireless Broadband via Satellite 63.141.42.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 63.143.71.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 63.143.115.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 63.143.251.0/24 AS22555 UTC - Universal Talkware Corporation 63.248.0.0/16 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 64.7.112.0/21 AS6453 GLOBEINTERNET TATA Communications 64.7.120.0/21 AS6453 GLOBEINTERNET TATA Communications 64.50.128.0/18 AS4565 MEGAPATH2-US - MegaPath Networks Inc. 64.64.159.0/24 AS32004 BIG-ASN - Business Information Group, Inc. 64.144.0.0/15 AS4565 MEGAPATH2-US - MegaPath Networks Inc. 64.188.0.0/16 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 65.36.8.0/24 AS5696 65.36.9.0/24 AS5696 65.36.33.0/24 AS5696 65.36.52.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 66.11.32.0/20 AS6261 VISINET - Visionary Systems, Inc. 66.11.40.0/21 AS6261 VISINET - Visionary Systems, Inc. 66.54.91.0/24 AS30506 BLACKSUN-1 - Blacksun Technologies LLC 66.55.160.0/19 AS29994 66.64.96.0/20 AS3790 RADIGRAFICA COSTARRICENSE 66.180.239.0/24 AS35888 VIGNETTE - VIGNETTE CORPORATION 66.199.32.0/20 AS10397 WISP-AS - Wispnet, LLC 66.206.32.0/24 AS17787 PSEB-AS-PK Pakistan Software Export Board 66.206.33.0/24 AS17787 PSEB-AS-PK Pakistan Software Export Board 66.206.34.0/24 AS17787 PSEB-AS-PK Pakistan Software Export Board 66.206.35.0/24 AS17787 PSEB-AS-PK Pakistan Software Export Board 66.206.40.0/22 AS174 COGENT Cogent/PSI 66.206.44.0/23 AS174 COGENT Cogent/PSI 66.206.47.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 66.207.32.0/20 AS23011 66.219.192.0/18 AS5048 FIBER - FIBERNET Corp. 67.20.0.0/14 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.64.0.0/13 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.168.0.0/14 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.232.0.0/14 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 69.71.192.0/20 AS13818 PHX-INTL-TELEPORT - Phoenix International Teleport 69.80.0.0/17 AS3043 AMPHIB-AS - Amphibian Media Corporation 69.164.0.0/17 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 69.165.102.0/24 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 70.34.0.0/16 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 80.88.0.0/21 AS33774 DJAWEB 80.88.8.0/22 AS33774 DJAWEB 80.88.10.0/24 AS33774 DJAWEB 80.88.12.0/24 AS33779 wataniya-telecom-as 87.76.0.0/16 AS3301 TELIANET-SWEDEN TeliaNet Sweden 87.254.160.0/19 AS16265 LEASEWEB LEASEWEB AS 91.208.60.0/24 AS43366 OSSO Osso AS 91.208.62.0/24 AS43366 OSSO Osso AS 94.100.48.0/20 AS47588 94.136.64.0/19 AS21503 ARETE-AS Phonera Networks AB 94.136.64.0/20 AS21503 ARETE-AS Phonera Networks AB 94.136.64.0/21 AS21503 ARETE-AS Phonera Networks AB 94.136.72.0/21 AS21503 ARETE-AS Phonera Networks AB 94.136.80.0/20 AS21503 ARETE-AS Phonera Networks AB 94.136.80.0/21 AS21503 ARETE-AS Phonera Networks AB 94.136.88.0/21 AS21503 ARETE-AS Phonera Networks AB 95.192.0.0/16 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS project 95.255.248.0/21 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS project 137.0.0.0/13 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 151.135.0.0/16 AS4768 CLIX-NZ TelstraClear Ltd 159.3.211.0/24 AS2687 ASATTCA AT&T Global Network Services - AP 163.142.0.0/16 AS2500 WIDE-BB WIDE Project 166.63.0.0/16 AS33775 NITEL-AS 172.7.0.0/24 AS28175 172.10.1.0/30 AS18305 POSNET POSDATA Co.,Ltd 188.0.0.0/16 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS project 188.0.0.0/21 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS project 188.0.0.0/24 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS project 192.9.200.0/24 AS3602 AS3602-RTI - Rogers Telecom Inc. 192.30.93.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.94.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.40.105.0/24 AS12582 TSF-DATANET-NGD-AS TSF MPLS VPN Services 192.64.85.0/24 AS1759 TSF-IP-CORE TeliaSonera Finland IP Network 192.69.107.0/24 AS1759 TSF-IP-CORE TeliaSonera Finland IP Network 192.69.108.0/24 AS1759 TSF-IP-CORE TeliaSonera Finland IP Network 192.69.177.0/24 AS1759 TSF-IP-CORE TeliaSonera Finland IP Network 192.70.164.0/24 AS25689 NRCNET-AS - National Research Council of Canada 192.96.36.0/24 AS5713 SAIX-NET 192.96.37.0/24 AS10474 NETACTIVE 192.96.135.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 192.96.136.0/23 AS2018 TENET-1 192.96.141.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 192.96.143.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 192.96.145.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 192.96.177.0/24 AS6083 POSIX-AFRICA 192.101.45.0/24 AS2905 TICSA-ASN 192.101.46.0/24 AS6503 Avantel, S.A. 192.101.47.0/24 AS6503 Avantel, S.A. 192.101.64.0/21 AS702 AS702 Verizon Business EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 192.101.67.0/24 AS21775 192.101.70.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 192.101.71.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 192.101.72.0/24 AS702 AS702 Verizon Business EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 192.101.73.0/24 AS4765 WORLDNET-AS World Net & Services Co., Ltd. 192.101.74.0/24 AS1239 SPRINTLINK - Sprint 192.122.212.0/24 AS209 ASN-QWEST - Qwest 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.131.233.0/24 AS6389 BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc. 192.133.6.0/24 AS10282 EQUANT-CEEUR EQUANT AS for Central and Eastern Europe region 192.153.144.0/21 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 192.154.32.0/19 AS81 NCREN - MCNC 192.168.117.192/29 AS29208 DIALTELECOM-AS Dial Telecom A.S., Bratislava 192.188.208.0/20 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 193.200.114.0/23 AS31530 SERVERCREW-AS Servercrew LTD Autonomes System 194.31.227.0/24 AS21461 TRANSFAIRNET Transfair-net GmbH Krefeld 194.246.72.0/23 AS8893 ARTFILES-AS Artfiles New Media GmbH 196.6.108.0/24 AS5713 SAIX-NET 196.10.119.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.10.122.0/23 AS2018 TENET-1 196.10.251.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.10.252.0/23 AS2018 TENET-1 196.10.254.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.101.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.102.0/23 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.104.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.121.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.125.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.126.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.169.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.174.0/23 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.176.0/21 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.192.0/22 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.196.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.201.98.0/24 AS29571 CITelecom-AS 196.216.132.0/24 AS9207 TAIDE-KE-NAIROBI Taide - Kenya POP 196.216.134.0/24 AS9207 TAIDE-KE-NAIROBI Taide - Kenya POP 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLATLANTIC-COM - Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.54.82.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 198.54.92.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 198.54.222.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 198.97.72.0/21 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.80.0/20 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.96.0/19 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.240.0/20 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 198.144.96.0/20 AS12185 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GT-BELL - Bell Canada 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INTERHOP - Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASKTEL - Saskatchewan Telecommunications 198.180.198.0/24 AS23715 SEOUL-INTGW-GXS-AP Global Exchange Services 199.9.128.0/17 AS668 ASN-ASNET-NET-AS - Defense Research and Engineering Network 199.10.0.0/16 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.0.0/21 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.128.0/18 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.130.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.131.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.134.0/24 AS3541 ITSDN-U4 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.136.0/24 AS27044 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.138.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 ITSDN-U7 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.142.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS27033 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.153.0/24 AS27034 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.114.156.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.121.0.0/16 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.0.0/18 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.16.0/20 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.80.0/21 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST-AS - IQuest Internet 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 199.246.116.0/24 AS813 UUNET-CANADA - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 202.58.113.0/24 AS19161 INNOCOM-TELECOM - INNOCOM TELECOM 202.73.144.0/20 AS4788 TMNET-AS-AP TM Net, Internet Service Provider 202.80.192.0/20 AS2706 HKSUPER-HK-AP Pacific Internet (Hong Kong) Limited 202.86.252.0/22 AS4748 RESOLINK-AS-AP Resources Link Network Limited 202.86.252.0/24 AS9304 HUTCHISON-AS-AP Hutchison Global Communications 202.86.253.0/24 AS9304 HUTCHISON-AS-AP Hutchison Global Communications 202.86.254.0/24 AS9304 HUTCHISON-AS-AP Hutchison Global Communications 202.86.255.0/24 AS9304 HUTCHISON-AS-AP Hutchison Global Communications 202.90.33.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.40.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.41.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.42.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.43.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.44.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.94.1.0/24 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network China169 Beijing Province Network 202.94.70.0/24 AS9837 POWERTEL-AP Powertel Ltd 202.124.195.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.124.207.0/24 AS17911 BRAINPK-AS-AP Brain Telecommunication Ltd. 202.136.254.0/24 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network China169 Beijing Province Network 202.136.255.0/24 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network China169 Beijing Province Network 202.164.100.0/24 AS18101 RIL-IDC Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet Data Centre, 202.176.228.0/24 AS17988 SINOSAT-AS-AP SINOSAT (HONG KONG) LIMITED 202.176.232.0/24 AS17988 SINOSAT-AS-AP SINOSAT (HONG KONG) LIMITED 202.181.32.0/24 AS4645 ASN-HKNET-AP HKNet Co. Ltd 203.12.45.0/24 AS4854 NETSPACE-AS-AP Netspace Online Systems 203.62.0.0/17 AS7575 AARNET-AS-AP Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.78.48.0/20 AS9299 IPG-AS-AP Philippine Long Distance Telephone Company 203.89.139.0/24 AS17911 BRAINPK-AS-AP Brain Telecommunication Ltd. 203.111.192.0/20 AS7473 SINGTEL-AS-AP Singapore Telecom 203.112.97.0/24 AS9942 COMINDICO-AP SOUL Converged Communications Australia 203.112.111.0/24 AS7474 OPTUSCOM-AS01-AU SingTel Optus Pty Ltd 203.112.113.0/24 AS7474 OPTUSCOM-AS01-AU SingTel Optus Pty Ltd 203.112.114.0/24 AS4802 ASN-IINET iiNet Limited 203.112.116.0/24 AS7474 OPTUSCOM-AS01-AU SingTel Optus Pty Ltd 203.112.117.0/24 AS7474 OPTUSCOM-AS01-AU SingTel Optus Pty Ltd 203.112.118.0/24 AS7474 OPTUSCOM-AS01-AU SingTel Optus Pty Ltd 203.112.119.0/24 AS7474 OPTUSCOM-AS01-AU SingTel Optus Pty Ltd 203.112.120.0/24 AS7474 OPTUSCOM-AS01-AU SingTel Optus Pty Ltd 203.112.121.0/24 AS7474 OPTUSCOM-AS01-AU SingTel Optus Pty Ltd 203.112.127.0/24 AS7474 OPTUSCOM-AS01-AU SingTel Optus Pty Ltd 203.128.128.0/19 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 203.128.128.0/24 AS23849 CNNIC-NET263-AP Beijing Capital-online science development Co.,Ltd. 203.152.136.0/23 AS23649 NEWSKIES-AS-AP New Skies Satellites, Hong Kong Teleport 203.152.138.0/23 AS23649 NEWSKIES-AS-AP New Skies Satellites, Hong Kong Teleport 203.152.142.0/24 AS23649 NEWSKIES-AS-AP New Skies Satellites, Hong Kong Teleport 203.152.143.0/24 AS23649 NEWSKIES-AS-AP New Skies Satellites, Hong Kong Teleport 203.160.110.0/23 AS7643 VNN-AS-AP Vietnam Posts and Telecommunications (VNPT) 204.9.216.0/23 AS6389 BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc. 204.9.217.0/24 AS4323 TWTC - tw telecom holdings, inc. 204.9.218.0/23 AS6389 BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc. 204.13.140.0/22 AS7270 NET2PHONE - Net2Phone Corp. 204.16.120.0/23 AS12077 204.16.122.0/23 AS12077 204.19.14.0/23 AS577 BACOM - Bell Canada 204.48.58.0/24 AS4323 TWTC - tw telecom holdings, inc. 204.48.60.0/24 AS4323 TWTC - tw telecom holdings, inc. 204.154.125.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN - TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.126.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN - TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.127.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN - TELLABS Operations, Inc. 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 206.162.224.0/19 AS23464 ILCSNET - Interlink Computer Services 206.180.240.0/20 AS12083 KNOLOGY-NET - Knology Holdings 206.220.240.0/24 AS10764 STARTAP - National Center for Supercomputing Applications 206.220.240.64/26 AS22335 MREN - Metropolitan Research and Education Network 206.220.240.128/25 AS10764 STARTAP - National Center for Supercomputing Applications 206.220.240.160/30 AS10764 STARTAP - National Center for Supercomputing Applications 206.220.240.220/32 AS10764 STARTAP - National Center for Supercomputing Applications 206.220.241.0/24 AS10764 STARTAP - National Center for Supercomputing Applications 207.98.192.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 207.98.209.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 207.98.223.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 207.191.128.0/19 AS10887 BPSI-AS - BPSI Internet Services 207.204.168.0/24 AS15150 BELLTECH-AS - BELLWETHER TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION 207.204.222.0/24 AS22773 CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETPA - NuNet Inc. 208.38.192.0/18 AS3043 AMPHIB-AS - Amphibian Media Corporation 208.38.192.0/21 AS14237 BEAMSPEED1 - Beamspeed 208.38.202.0/24 AS14237 BEAMSPEED1 - Beamspeed 208.38.203.0/24 AS14237 BEAMSPEED1 - Beamspeed 208.38.204.0/22 AS14237 BEAMSPEED1 - Beamspeed 209.54.93.0/24 AS22773 CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. 209.54.111.0/24 AS22773 CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. 209.54.123.0/24 AS6062 NETPLEX - NETPLEX 209.54.240.0/21 AS10887 BPSI-AS - BPSI Internet Services 209.105.224.0/19 AS20074 209.140.90.0/24 AS14461 NTSL - NET SOLUTIONS 209.140.224.0/21 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.140.234.0/24 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.140.235.0/24 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.140.236.0/24 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.140.237.0/24 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.140.238.0/24 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.140.239.0/24 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.141.16.0/21 AS10573 WEBNEXUS - WebNexus Communications Inc. 209.141.48.0/22 AS14461 NTSL - NET SOLUTIONS 209.145.192.0/18 AS3043 AMPHIB-AS - Amphibian Media Corporation 210.5.128.0/20 AS4837 CHINA169-BACKBONE CNCGROUP China169 Backbone 216.37.114.0/23 AS3549 GBLX Global Crossing Ltd. 216.37.120.0/23 AS13377 216.59.0.0/17 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.99.16.0/24 AS6395 LVLT-6395 - Level 3 Communications, Inc. 216.99.20.0/24 AS6395 LVLT-6395 - Level 3 Communications, Inc. 216.162.96.0/19 AS7393 CYBERCON - CYBERCON, INC. 216.172.198.0/24 AS22773 CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. 216.172.199.0/24 AS22773 CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. 216.176.22.0/24 AS20299 Newcom Limited 216.210.86.0/24 AS577 BACOM - Bell Canada 216.240.240.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 216.240.241.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 216.240.242.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 216.251.207.0/24 AS1239 SPRINTLINK - Sprint 217.78.71.0/24 AS12491 IPPLANET-AS IPPlanet 217.78.72.0/24 AS12491 IPPLANET-AS IPPlanet 217.78.73.0/24 AS12491 IPPLANET-AS IPPlanet Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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Force10 E300 vs. Juniper MX480
by Joe Abley 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

Hi all, An acquaintance who runs an ISP with an M7i on its border is looking to upgrade, because the M7i is starting to creak from all the flesh- tone MPEGs his customers are sharing. (How times have changed. Back when I was chasing packets, it was flesh-tone JPEGs.) He's looking at the MX480 and the E300. The MX480 is attractive because the M7i has been stable as a rock, and he's familiar with JUNOS. The E300 is attractive because it's half the price of the MX480, and has the potential to hold layer-2 cards as well as layer-3 ports which makes the price per port much more reasonable than the MX480. But he has no experience with Force10 at any ISO layer higher than 2. He doesn't have any exotic requirements beyond OSPF, OSPFv3, BGP, IP and IPv6. There's no MPLS in the picture, for example. However, he's going to want four or five full tables plus a moderate load of peering routes in there. And maybe VRRP. Thoughts from people who have tried one or the other, or both? Or who have faced this kind of problem, and came up with a different answer? Feel free to send mail off-list; I can summarise if there is interest. Joe

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