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AT&T IPv6 Network Initialization/Assignment Contact?
by Jonathan Traylor 27 May '08

27 May '08

Heya NANOG members, I have a client with AT&T Metro DIA services who are looking to add routable IPv6 services. We need an AT&T contact who will have the knowledge and ability to coordinate IPv6 netblock assignments and delegate static routes to the IPv6 addresses assigned. As well as provide other IPv6 centric abilities. FYI: We contacted a representive found via the monthly DIA invoices, which seen us thru a few others which must not have understood the different between the (near)legacy and forthcoming technologies, because we got a empty form to fill out for IPv4 (yes, v4) addresses. Please contact me off-list unless you strongly feel it will do the rest of us some good. Thanks much! -- Jonathan Traylor jtraylor(a)internetpro.net

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[NANOG] Fiber Cut at 60 Hudson
by Robert Blayzor 27 May '08

27 May '08

Does anyone know of any NY fiber cuts going on near/around 60 Hudson Street? I have a Level3 DIA Gig-E that's been out for almost 36 hours and each time I call them I get a different answer on what the problem is and exactly how much longer this is going to take to be resolved. We noticed this go down around 7pm EDT on Sunday and the following morning the dark fiber we have going through 60 Hudson took a hit for about an hour on one side of our DWDM ring... Anyone know whats up? -- Robert Blayzor, BOFH INOC, LLC rblayzor(a)inoc.net http://www.inoc.net/~rblayzor/

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Fake-alert: VERIFY YOUR MERIT.EDU WEBMAIL ACCOUNT
by Peter Dambier 27 May '08

27 May '08

I dont trust it: yahoo address, not nanog. Passwords asked ??? Kind regrards Peter -------- Original Message -------- Return-Path: <accountupgrating(a)merit.edu> X-Flags: 1000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to peter(a)peter-dambier.de Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 May 2008 09:21:30 -0000 Received: from post2.tau.ac.il (EHLO post.tau.ac.il) [132.66.3.221] by mx0.gmx.net (mx059) with SMTP; 24 May 2008 11:21:30 +0200 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by post.tau.ac.il (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E25874294; Sat, 24 May 2008 09:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from post.tau.ac.il ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (post2.tau.ac.il [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NRIT3G8U5W+e; Sat, 24 May 2008 12:21:28 +0300 (IDT) Received: from localhost (webmail.tau.ac.il [132.66.16.180]) by post.tau.ac.il (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5E0741CE; Sat, 24 May 2008 12:21:27 +0300 (IDT) Received: from 62.32.32.77 ([62.32.32.77]) by webmail.tau.ac.il (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 24 May 2008 12:21:27 +0300 Message-ID: <20080524122127.5ns0jelzhss4gc40(a)webmail.tau.ac.il> Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:21:27 +0300 From: webmaster1(a)merit.edu <accountupgrating(a)merit.edu> Reply-to: upgradingaccount08(a)yahoo.com To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: VERIFY YOUR MERIT.EDU WEBMAIL ACCOUNT This email is to inform all our {www.merit.edu} users that we will be upgrading our site in a couple of days from now. So you as a user of our site, you are required send us your Email account details so as to enable us know if you are still making use of your email box. Further be informed that we will be deleting all email account that is not functioning so as to create more space for new user. So you are to send us your email account details which are as follows: *User name in full :......................... *Email in full :......................... *Password:....................................... *Date of birth: ............................... *Security question :......................... *Security answer:……..................... Any email user that refuses to send his/her details within the next two (2) days of receipt this mail, his/her mail account will be deleted from the site. Webmaster Team -- Peter and Karin Dambier Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana Rimbacher Strasse 16 D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: peter(a)peter-dambier.de http://www.peter-dambier.de/ http://iason.site.voila.fr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/

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RE: unsubscribe
by Scott Weeks 27 May '08

27 May '08

------ tims(a)donet.com wrote: ------ From: Tim Sanderson <tims(a)donet.com> Same gripe here... -------Original Message------- From: Pederson, Krishna [mailto:Pederson@Covad.COM] Really now ... why we using nanog(a)merit.edu instead of nanog(a)nanog.org? Totally messed up my mail filtering system. Sometime last week people started sending TO or CC'ing nanog(a)merit.edu instead of nanog(a)nanog.org. Can we go back? Thanks, mkay. ------------------------------------------- Bummer you can't get your email systems to work. Should 10,000 folks change what they do to what you ask because of that? scott

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RE: unsubscribe
by Gregory Hicks 27 May '08

27 May '08

> Subject: RE: unsubscribe > Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:37:35 -0700 > From: "Pederson, Krishna" <Pederson(a)covad.com> > To: "Delung Jr, Frank" <Frank.DelungJr(a)level3.com>, <nanog(a)merit.edu> > > Really now ... why we using nanog(a)merit.edu instead of nanog(a)nanog.org? > Totally messed up my mail filtering system. Because there are people left in the world that did not get the word that the mailer was moving from merit->nanog.org. So some forwarding mechanism was left in place at merit so that mail to the old system would get forwarded to the new system. Frank found out that addresses of the form To: "nanog(a)merit.edu" <nanog(a)nanog.org> were interpreted by Mutt to be TWO separate addresses - even though one of them was a "constant" (thusly identified by the quote marks around the text... and should have been ignored. The "@" made Mutt think it was an actual address that its' user mis-typed. So to fix the user's mistake, Mutt forwarded the mail to the mis-typed address.) My diagnosis. Sounds reasonable anyway. > Sometime last week people started sending TO or CC'ing nanog(a)merit.edu > instead of nanog(a)nanog.org. > > Can we go back? Thanks, mkay. > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Delung Jr, Frank [mailto:Frank.DelungJr@Level3.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:30 AM > To: 'nanog(a)merit.edu' > Subject: unsubscribe > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer Cadence Design Systems | Direct: 408.576.3609 2655 Seely Ave M/S 9A1 San Jose, CA 95134 I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today. "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton

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unsubscribe
by Delung Jr, Frank 27 May '08

27 May '08

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SEA-ME-WE-4 cut ?
by Marshall Eubanks 27 May '08

27 May '08

Has anyone heard of a cut in SEA-ME-WE-4 off Singapore sometime about 36 hours ago ? We received a report of this, but no circuit alarms, which is odd. Regards Marshall

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Re: META: duplicate posts?
by Gregory Hicks 27 May '08

27 May '08

> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 12:30:09 -0400 > From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra(a)baylink.com> > To: nanog(a)nanog.org, NANOG <nanog(a)merit.edu> > Subject: META: duplicate posts? > > On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 11:50:50AM -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > > Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:50:50 -0400 > > From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra(a)baylink.com> > > To: nanog(a)nanog.org, NANOG <nanog(a)merit.edu> > > Subject: Re: outages mailing list is back online! > > > > On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 08:41:36AM -0700, virendra rode // wrote: > > > vrode@promiscious:~$ host mx2.amigostecnicos.net. > > > > I believe you've mispelt promiscuous. :-) > > I was clearly not paying enough attention to the message to which I > replied... but why did 2 copies of it make it through the machinery? Because the address nanog(a)merit.edu is still active. Or at least, the list @merit forwards to @nanog.org... > I would have assumed nanog@nanog and nanog@merit went to the same copy > of Mailman, which should have noted the identical message-id's and > bounced one; no? > > Cheers, > -- jra > -- > Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra(a)baylink.com > Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 > Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 > St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 > > Those who cast the vote decide nothing. > Those who count the vote decide everything. > -- (Joseph Stalin) > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer Cadence Design Systems | Direct: 408.576.3609 2655 Seely Ave M/S 9A1 San Jose, CA 95134 I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today. "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton

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outages mailing list is back online!
by virendra rode // 27 May '08

27 May '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [ Apologies to those of you who receive this note in multiple forums. ] Hello all, I wanted to drop a quick note to everyone and explain how/why things took so long and I deeply apologize for the service interruption. Apparently the machine hosting outages mailing list went belly up during the package upgrade (postfix/mailman/apache) in order to bring the system up to date. This was suppose to be a planned upgrade which unfortunately turned out to be sysadmin's nightmare. During the headless chicken syndrome it led into further issues and from there on murphy took over that led to a prolonged outage. We are working towards a cluster setup (active-active cluster) where we will be able to pull the host out of operation without affecting the service in the future. Something we are also looking into is a separate instance in availability zones (multi-site) in order to protect applications/ host availability from failure of a single location. We deeply regret the delay this caused the mailing list to be off the air. Many thanks to Gadi Evron / Randy Vanghn / James Eastman / Larry Vaden / Joe St Sauver and other members of the team who work effortlessly to resurrect this list. Without there help and direction outages list wouldn't exist today. I'm indebted to them. Suggestions, comments are welcome. If interested, you can subscribe to the list at, http://isotf.org/mailman/listinfo/outages respectfully, /virendra -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFINzKXpbZvCIJx1bcRAv0lAJ46sBa9/uZ/lbl54ehE7tgNZiySZgCghKsq AjuiEP7kwKGXSsJqDBBe08w= =1OV7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: amazonaws.com?
by Barry Shein 26 May '08

26 May '08

On May 25, 2008 at 22:11 beckman(a)angryox.com (Peter Beckman) wrote: > On Sat, 24 May 2008, Barry Shein wrote: > > > Since this comment applies equally to every single credit card payment on > > the internet etc I suppose you've just proven that credit cards can't > > possibly work and even Amazon itself is an impossibility. Perhaps we can > > move on to why bumble bees can't fly? > > It's clear to me that people believe it is easy, cheap and inexpensive to > prevent credit card fraud. You think this until you yourself run a small > business, and an entire months profits go into the toilet because you > missed someone who got through what you thought were thorough checks for > fraud. Hello, let me introduce myself to you. I'm Barry Shein, president of The World, the oldest public access internet service provider on the planet, since 1989 (see rfc 2235). We have always taken credit cards. But thank you for the lecture on doing business with credit cards and the potential pitfalls. Anyhow, let me reiterate, making Amazon's business models work, or ensuring that their customers can get the service they want when they want it, is none of my concern. What is my concern is if they're running their resources so irresponsibly that it permits criminals to use them to damage my business. Personally I don't really care if their compute cloud service succeeds or fails, except on general principles (I always like to wish people well.) But if their business model is designed so poorly that it enables criminality to be directed at my business then, for me, that's a problem. So I'm not particularly interested in how hard it would be for Amazon to make a buck on cloud services if they had to stop damaging me. 'kay? This thread started when I found my mail servers being pounded by their cloud machines for a day or so. It's since stopped, thank you, but a few here indicated, and I don't know if they speak with any authority, that Amazon seems to believe that so long as their cloud machines are in blacklists then they shouldn't have to feel any responsibilty to exercise any control over them vis a vis spammers et al. It should just be up to the rest of us to buy sufficient firewalls and bandwidth and staff to manage it all. That sounds so outlandish that I am suspicious of its origin. But others indicated "they're in the blacklists so what's your beef?" and I responded that there's a problem with large computing resources (their clouds) pounding on my mail servers even if we can dodge seeing the content with blacklist entries. > > Declining a legitimate charge can be a criminal fraud. > > In what world do you live in? I can decline to take anyone's money and > decline to provide them service, for any reason. If I don't like your I'm sorry, you're having trouble with the english language, let me help you out here: That comment was in response to a reference to a credit card customer declining a legitimate charge for goods and/or services s/he received. Ya know, you buy a laptop over the net on a credit card, the laptop comes, and then you try to decline the charge? Got it? That can be a criminal fraud. Whatever the relevance that's what that comment was referring to. > tone, I don't take your money, you don't get my service. Criminal fraud, > ha. Where exactly do you live? Maybe I assume to much, because in the > US, I get to decide who's money I take. (key in twilight zone music) You've been hurt before, haven't you? (whoo boy, angry man alert...) -- -Barry Shein The World | bzs(a)TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Login: Nationwide Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*

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