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Inventory and workflow management systems
by vijay gill 26 May '13

26 May '13

What software solution do people use for inventory management for things like riser/conduit drawdown, fiber inventory, physical topology store, CLR/DLR, x-connect, contracts, port inventory, etc. Any experiences in integrating workflow into those packages for work orders, modeling, drawdown levels, etc. /vijay

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Re: cooling door
by Brian Dickson 29 Aug '08

29 Aug '08

Paul Vixie wrote: > if you find me 300Ksqft along the caltrain fiber corridor in the peninsula > where i can get 10mW of power and have enough land around it for 10mW worth > of genset, and the price per sqft is low enough that i can charge by the > watt and floor space be damned and still come out even or ahead, then please > do send me the address. Well, there are alternatives to the 10mW power and 10mW genset... 10-20mW (or more) of nuclear power/gensets. Get off the grid, sell back some power to the grid, reduce your costs for power, especially peak rate power, and be able to brag about having your own nuke plant. This may give you more flexibility in finding the space along the fibre corridor... BTW, I did some quick googling and found a few interesting links related to smaller nuclear generator systems: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Toshiba's_Micro_Nuclear_Reactor http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/analysis/nucenviss2.html http://www.eoearth.org/article/Small_nuclear_power_reactors http://www.uic.com.au/nip60.htm And if you have access to a deep harbor: http://atomic.msco.ru/cgi-bin/common.cgi?lang=eng&skin=menu1&fn=projects :-) Brian

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Creating demand for IPv6, and saving the planet
by Daniel Senie 24 Jun '08

24 Jun '08

A number of people have bemoaned the lack of any IPv6-only killer-content that would drive a demand for IPv6. I've thought about this, and about the government's push to make IPv6 a reality. What occurred to me is there is a satellite sitting in storage that would provide such content: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triana_(satellite) Al Gore pushed for this satellite, Triana, to provide those on earth with a view of the planet among its scientific goals. The Republicans referred to it as an "overpriced screen saver," though the effect even of just the camera component on people's lives and how they treat the planet could be considerable. By combining the launch of Triana with feeding the still images and video from servers only connected to native IPv6 bandwidth, the government would provide both a strong incentive for end users to want to move to IPv6, and a way to get the people of this planet to stop from time to time and ponder the future of the earth. Of course getting this done any time soon would require getting the present administration to reverse its bias against Triana and global warming. But it seemed to me an interesting way to advance two goals in synergy. Dan -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel Senie dts(a)senie.com Amaranth Networks Inc. http://www.amaranth.com "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.

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[NANOG] Introducing latency for testing?
by Mike Lyon 15 Jun '08

15 Jun '08

So I want to mimic some latency in a test network for DB replication. I am wondering what other's have used for this? Obviously, the best way to would be to actually have one box across the US or across the globe to actually test against but what if you don't have that? Are there any GPL software router solutions that would allow you to tweak the latency in between the two test boxes? Thanks in advance. -Mike

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Power/temperature monitoring
by Frank Bulk 06 Jun '08

06 Jun '08

Hopefully monitoring the status of a network is on-topic. I'm looking for temperature and power monitoring unit to install in some remote BWA cabinets. We had two incidents where we lost power in a town and we weren't aware of it until the backup batter drained to empty, and another situation where the cabinet became too cold. Because these cabinets are less than 19" wide and just 3-5" deep, I need something quite small. I did find one product but it requires four components (unit with built-in temperature sensor, adapter, and AC power sensor, plus power supply) Perhaps there's someone on this list who has gone down this road and can point me to a good product. Required: - temperature sensor - 110 VAC power monitoring (on/off, not necessarily current) - Ethernet interface (at least SNMP, Web GUI and Optional: - fed via 12 VDC power - 12 VDC power monitoring (current) - humidity sensor Frank

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RE: amazonaws.com?
by Robert Bonomi 04 Jun '08

04 Jun '08

> From nanog-bounces(a)nanog.org Tue May 27 12:06:50 2008 > Subject: RE: amazonaws.com? > Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 18:08:16 +0100 > From: <michael.dillon(a)bt.com> > To: <nanog(a)merit.edu> > > > If the address-space owner won't police it's own property, > > there is no reason for the rest of the world to spend the > > time/effort to _selectively_ police it for them. > > Exactly!!! > If an SMTP server operator is not willing to police their server > by implementing a list of approved email partners, then why should > the rest of the Internet have to block outgoing port 25 connections? Because the _privilege_ to send packets to other networks has been, from 'day one', conditional on the presumption that the sending network _is_ a "good neighbor" to the networks receiving their traffic. AS SUCH, they have a firm 'moral responsibility' to *NOT* let _their_ users =originate= traffic that is harmful/offensive/abusive to the receiving/destination network. Or, are you arguing for _no_ "acceptable use" policies for _anything_ on the 'net. That anyone should be free to attempt anything against any server/network, and that it is the sole responsibility of the receiving system to build and maintain the defenses against "whatever" any malefactor might decide to do? *AND* that the party providing that black hat' with connectivity should bear no responsibility for anything that their customer's do? Thinking about it, I realize that asking _you_ (an employee of major telephone company) is a silly question -- you have a biased viewopoint from a government-regulated monopoly > The buck needs to stop right where the problem is and that is > on the SMTP servers that are promiscuously allowing almost any > IP address to open an socket with them and inject email messages. Since one _cannot_ stop the -attempts- at the destination end, and the volume of -attempts- (even though they're blocked at the fence-line) *CAN* be enough to to render 'normal' operations of the receiving network impossible -- "it should be obvious to the meanest intelligence" that the matter *must* be addressed at a point _upstream_ from the destination network. It is universally recognized in the real world that 'toxic waste' issues must be dealt with at the _source_ point -- where that toxic waste is produced. AND that the costs of doing so should fall on those who produce them. There is no reason that the Internet should be any different. The polluter is the party who *should* get hits with the majority of the costs of handling the toxic waste they produce, not the party simply tryng to enjoy the 'quiet satisfaction' of their own property. It is arguable that the Internet has advanced from the 'early pioneer' days of the '80s, to a state that is comparable to the height of the "Robber Baron" era -- where everybody was out for 'me first, and to h*ll with whomever isn't big enough, mean enough, and tough enough to stand up to whatever I want to do to take advantage of them. History shows that such attitudes weren't right _for_the_world_as_a_whole_ then, and societal barriers were put in place to prevent such abuses from re-occuring. > > Amazon _might_ 'get a clue' if enough providers walled off > > the EC2 space, and they found difficulty selling cycles to > > people who couldn't access the machines to set up their > > compute applications. > > Amazon might get a clue and sue companies who take such outrageously > extreme action. *SNICKER* The results of such a suit are _utterly_ predictable. There's established case-law going back a couple of _decades_. For, example, look at any of the (100% _unsuccessful) suits that "Cyber Promotions, Inc." filed against any of the several providers that did exactly that to said plaintiff. There's similar case law in England, the Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, and Austrailia -- just to name a few of the places where the matter has been litigated. There are no "rights" on the Internet, only "privileges". Your right to access any part of my network exists only -if- I extend you that privilege. And it _is_ revokable at whim. WITHOUT any need to 'show cause why'. Such a suit as you suggest runs the very real risk that the filing party would be sanctioned as regards "frivolous" filings. > Even if you are being slammed by millions of email > messaged from Amazon address space, that is not justification for > blocking all access to the space. It's a point problem on your > mail server so leave the shotgun alone, and put an ACL blocking > port 25 access to your mail server. FALSE TO FACT. If they generate _enough_ 'unwanted' traffic towards me, that can/will constitute a fairly effective (D)DOS attack -- admittedly, it's only 'slightly' distributed, and it's coming from a single block, so it can be dealt with by some forms of point responses. I _cannot_ deal with volume-based DOS at -my- end of my pipes; it -requires- blocking/limiting the traffic *before* it hits the choke-point that is my external connectivity. When that traffic is coming from a 'well defined' source under a single entity's control, *THAT* -- the source -- is the appropriate place to deal with it. In the alternate case -- a widely distributed set of disparate sources -- other methods (usually involving the immediate "upstreams" -- who presumably have enough bigger resources to be able to 'absorb' a volume of toxic waste that would be fatal to me) are necessary. The fact that such methods are necessary in some circumstances does -not- mean that they are the _preferred_ method in all circumstances. > > I don't believe that horrendously broken email architecture and email > operators with no vision, are sufficient justification for blocking new and > innovative business models on the Internet. 10 months of the year, Amazon > has 10 times as many servers as they need. They want to rent them out > piecemeal and I applaud their innovation. Maybe their model is not perfect > yet, but the solution to that is not to raise a lynch mob. Instead you > should build a better cloud computin> business and beat them that way. I applaud their _intentions_, and deplore their *implementation*. They, like many others, have forgotten that "the Internet" is, in fact, a fairly -unique- institution/facility -- where the 'value' of what _you_ offer is contingent on the 'courtesies' you get for free from the rest of the world. Every internet service provider and service offerer *needs* the 'good will' of its competitors _more_ than it needs any of its own customers. Something like the initial part of the Hippocratic Oath is needed for those who consider Internet-based service offerings -- "First, do no evil." People who fail to control the toxic waste emissions from their property are _not_ "good neighbors", and fail that 'do no evil' test. The same for those who allow toxic waste emissions to flow from their networks over the Internet.

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REMINDER: DNS Operations Meeting, Brooklyn NY 4/5th June
by Keith Mitchell 03 Jun '08

03 Jun '08

This is a reminder that the OARC DNS Operations meeting takes place next Wed 4th PM and Thu 5th AM in Brooklyn NY, USA, immediately after NANOG43. The meeting will be held in Brooklyn College, NY, about 5 miles from the NANOG venue, and is open to all. Meeting information is at: http://public.oarci.net/dns-operations/workshop-2008/ including an agenda for the DNS Operations Meeting now available at: http://public.oarci.net/dns-operations/workshop-2008/agenda If you are planning to attend, please can I ask you to register ASAP at: https://oarc.isc.org/register.php We still have plenty of space available for NANOG attendees as well as OARC members, but need to finalize numbers very soon. Registration is free, and I'd like to thank our sponsor VeriSign for covering meeting costs and making this possible. There is still space for additional presentations, if you have or know of material relevant to DNS Operator or Researchers to present, it would be very welcome. Please let me know ASAP, or feel free to discuss with me at NANOG. Keith Mitchell OARC Programme Manager

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Large number of DNS probes in last 24 hours
by Jim Wise 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've seen a surprising number of attempted recursive DNS requests against unpublished non-recursive DNS servers in the last 24 hours or so, many of them obviously probes of some sort (query for "." IN NS, eg). Is anyone else seeing this? Is it new? Or did some botnet just reach this corner of the IP space? - -- Jim Wise jwise(a)draga.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (NetBSD) iD8DBQFIQDPbq/KRbT0KwbwRAuzVAJ0QRpMw59U7U2qfpEdHOeIt+YVzxgCeLQK4 0HeEYDsVW4VI6ahbjE8xphQ= =QV9h -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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IPV6 network feeds
by Mike Linsenmayer 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

Hey all, I am looking for a IPV6 internet feed for our testing labs in Southern California, I know this is off subject but I am a little exasperated in trying to locate one. if anyone on the list knows of a provider please contact me off list. Thanks! Mike Linsenmayer Sr. Manager Labs Engineering QALABS Symantec Corporation www.symantec.com <http://www.symantec.com> ___________________________ Office: 424.750.7560 Cell: 805.404.1813 YIM: mike_linsenmayer ___________________________ ___________________________

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Re: NANOG NYC Event
by Fisher, Shawn 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

Personally I like dinosaur bbq, great malt beverages as well, and also blue smoke is great and if you like jazz, check out downstairs. -------------------------- Sent using BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: andrew young To: Scott Brim CC: nanog(a)nanog.org Sent: Sat May 31 18:28:57 2008 Subject: Re: NANOG NYC Event Speaking of food, ill be going to the Big Apple BBQ fest next weekend: http://bigapplebbq.org/2008/ If you love to eat BBQ, this is a big MUST to cap off your stay in NYC. if you do decided to go, be sure to get the Fastpass: http://www.bigapplebbq.org/2008/index.php?s=fastpass You dont want to wait 30 mins online for food. Don't forget a bib and leave your belt at home. :-) - ------------------------------------ Andrew Young Webair Internet Development, Inc Phone: 1 866 WEBAIR 1 FAX: 516.938.5100 http://www.webair.com andrewy(a)webair.com ------------------------------------- We are interested in any feedback you might have about the service you received. Please contact our technical support consumer care manager directly at 1.866.WEBAIR1 or e-mail customercare(a)webair.com ------------------------------------- On Sat, 2008-05-31 at 18:17 -0400, Scott Brim wrote: > On 5/31/08 12:36 PM, Rod Beck allegedly wrote: > > I strongly suggest that those heading to New York visit the great > > musems, architecture (Saint Patrick's Cathedral), and restaurants. > > You have the American Museum of Natural History, which includes an > > excellent Planetarium and just on the other side of Central Park, the > > Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Guggenheim. There are excellent > > Chinese and Indian restaurants in Lower Manhattan. > > Don't forget about Brooklyn in all this Manhattan praise :-). Consider > the Brooklyn Botanic Garden. It's too late for cherries but the rose > collections will be great. And the best pizza in New York (if you can > get in) is at > http://menupages.com/restaurantdetails.asp?areaid=0&restaurantid=31402&neig… >

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