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Results of ARIN/CAIDA IPv6 Penetration Survey
by Member Services 11 Apr '08

11 Apr '08

ARIN thanks those community members who participated in the recent ARIN/CAIDA IPv6 Penetration Survey. kc claffy presented an analysis of the survey results earlier this week during ARIN XXI in Denver, Co. You will find the link to this presentation on ARIN's IPv6 wiki at: www.getipv6.net. We encourage community members to post IPv6 experiences, knowledge and resources on the ARIN IPv6 wiki. Also, be sure to check back there soon for data from the 8 April ARIN IPv6 Main Event, where participants connected to an IPv6-only network. Regards, Member Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)

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BGP Update Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 11 Apr '08

11 Apr '08

BGP Update Report Interval: 10-Mar-08 -to- 10-Apr-08 (32 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS2.0 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS9498 97451 1.6% 76.3 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 2 - AS24731 89033 1.4% 1047.4 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering Services and Marketing Company Ltd. (NESMA) 3 - AS9583 66630 1.1% 56.6 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 4 - AS9121 55740 0.9% 22.1 -- TTNET TTnet Autonomous System 5 - AS8151 54045 0.9% 33.1 -- Uninet S.A. de C.V. 6 - AS8866 49094 0.8% 162.0 -- BTC-AS Bulgarian Telecommunication Company Plc. 7 - AS17974 48184 0.8% 72.2 -- TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT Telekomunikasi Indonesia 8 - AS26829 43039 0.7% 43039.0 -- YKK-USA - YKK USA,INC 9 - AS24863 42921 0.7% 92.3 -- LINKdotNET-AS 10 - AS18306 42308 0.7% 1143.5 -- MASANHANANET-AS-KR HANANET 11 - AS2386 39020 0.6% 27.0 -- INS-AS - AT&T Data Communications Services 12 - AS6140 32886 0.5% 50.4 -- IMPSAT-USA - ImpSat USA, Inc. 13 - AS17487 31932 0.5% 31932.0 -- ICBCASIA-AP Industrial and Commercial Bank 14 - AS6306 31810 0.5% 676.8 -- Telcel, C.A 15 - AS23005 29450 0.5% 1732.4 -- SWITCH-COMMUNICATIONS - SWITCH Communications Group LLC 16 - AS11830 29344 0.5% 12.6 -- Instituto Costarricense de Electricidad y Telecom. 17 - AS14895 27709 0.5% 9236.3 -- LAWSON-SOFTWARE - Lawson Software 18 - AS22773 25638 0.4% 27.8 -- CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. 19 - AS9198 25242 0.4% 62.2 -- KAZTELECOM-AS Kazakhtelecom Corporate Sales Administration 20 - AS4621 24169 0.4% 153.9 -- UNSPECIFIED UNINET-TH TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix) Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS26829 43039 0.7% 43039.0 -- YKK-USA - YKK USA,INC 2 - AS17487 31932 0.5% 31932.0 -- ICBCASIA-AP Industrial and Commercial Bank 3 - AS19334 23955 0.4% 23955.0 -- SPORTLINE-DBC - SPORTLINE 4 - AS19017 13047 0.2% 13047.0 -- QUALCOMM-QWBS-LV - Qualcomm Wireless Business Solutions 5 - AS13495 10892 0.2% 10892.0 -- NTT do Brasil Telecomunicaoes Ltda 6 - AS14895 27709 0.5% 9236.3 -- LAWSON-SOFTWARE - Lawson Software 7 - AS30929 8809 0.1% 8809.0 -- HUTCB Hidrotechnical Faculty - Technical University 8 - AS21291 8535 0.1% 8535.0 -- OMEGABANK 8 Dragatsaniou str 9 - AS42787 20964 0.3% 6988.0 -- MMIP-AS MultiMedia IP Ltd. 10 - AS15136 5605 0.1% 5605.0 -- AS-NSPOF - NSPOF Communications Inc 11 - AS44656 5558 0.1% 5558.0 -- HOLOSFIND-ROMANIA HOLOSFIND SRL 12 - AS29225 5400 0.1% 5400.0 -- TAIF-TELCOM-AS JSC TAIF-TELCOM 13 - AS25024 3277 0.1% 3277.0 -- DECEUNINCK-PLASTICS Deceuninck Plastics Autonomous System 14 - AS7257 9439 0.1% 3146.3 -- PREMIERE-GLOBAL-SERVICES-INC - Premiere Global Services, Inc. 15 - AS39105 2785 0.1% 2785.0 -- CLASS-AS SC Class Computers And Service SRL 16 - AS36975 2745 0.0% 2745.0 -- CBA-AS 17 - AS41907 2463 0.0% 2463.0 -- POLFA PZPF Polfa 18 - AS29910 2371 0.0% 2371.0 -- IACP - INTL. ASSN OF CHIEF OF POLICEI 19 - AS15821 6058 0.1% 2019.3 -- ASTRAL-AS JV "Astral-Kiev Ltd." Autonomous System 20 - AS12866 5448 0.1% 1816.0 -- SUN_EU_AS Sun Microsystems European AS TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 1 - 125.23.208.0/20 62770 1.0% AS9498 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 2 - 12.108.254.0/24 43039 0.7% AS26829 -- YKK-USA - YKK USA,INC 3 - 213.91.175.0/24 40978 0.6% AS8866 -- BTC-AS Bulgarian Telecommunication Company Plc. 4 - 220.241.83.0/24 31932 0.5% AS17487 -- ICBCASIA-AP Industrial and Commercial Bank 5 - 64.79.128.0/19 29230 0.5% AS23005 -- SWITCH-COMMUNICATIONS - SWITCH Communications Group LLC 6 - 124.7.192.0/24 26057 0.4% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 7 - 63.169.11.0/24 23955 0.4% AS19334 -- SPORTLINE-DBC - SPORTLINE 8 - 84.23.96.0/19 23596 0.4% AS24731 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering Services and Marketing Company Ltd. (NESMA) AS34400 -- ASN-ETTIHADETISALAT Etihad Etisalat 9 - 125.57.60.0/24 21655 0.3% AS18306 -- MASANHANANET-AS-KR HANANET 10 - 193.33.184.0/23 20956 0.3% AS42787 -- MMIP-AS MultiMedia IP Ltd. 11 - 211.175.148.0/24 19452 0.3% AS18306 -- MASANHANANET-AS-KR HANANET 12 - 221.128.192.0/18 17562 0.3% AS18231 -- EXATT-AS-AP Exatt Technologies Private Ltd. 13 - 203.63.26.0/24 15615 0.2% AS9747 -- EZINTERNET-AS-AP EZInternet Pty Ltd 14 - 221.135.80.0/24 15411 0.2% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 15 - 89.4.131.0/24 15141 0.2% AS24731 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering Services and Marketing Company Ltd. (NESMA) 16 - 89.4.128.0/24 15107 0.2% AS24731 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering Services and Marketing Company Ltd. (NESMA) 17 - 89.4.130.0/24 14800 0.2% AS24731 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering Services and Marketing Company Ltd. (NESMA) 18 - 63.82.84.0/24 13047 0.2% AS19017 -- QUALCOMM-QWBS-LV - Qualcomm Wireless Business Solutions 19 - 203.101.87.0/24 11848 0.2% AS9498 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 20 - 200.194.64.0/19 10892 0.2% AS13495 -- NTT do Brasil Telecomunicaoes Ltda Details at http://bgpupdates.potaroo.net ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 11 Apr '08

11 Apr '08

This report has been generated at Fri Apr 11 21:17:44 2008 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 04-04-08 255841 164373 05-04-08 255919 164795 06-04-08 255999 164647 07-04-08 255822 164884 08-04-08 256095 165364 09-04-08 256180 165992 10-04-08 256623 165505 11-04-08 257025 161726 AS Summary 27960 Number of ASes in routing system 11771 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1626 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS4755 : VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonomous System 88502016 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS721 : DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 11Apr08 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 257289 161788 95501 37.1% All ASes AS4755 1626 439 1187 73.0% VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonomous System AS9498 1162 67 1095 94.2% BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. AS4323 1416 404 1012 71.5% TWTC - Time Warner Telecom, Inc. AS18566 1042 38 1004 96.4% COVAD - Covad Communications Co. AS6389 1232 418 814 66.1% BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc. AS22773 912 142 770 84.4% CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. AS11492 1209 463 746 61.7% CABLEONE - CABLE ONE AS19262 895 164 731 81.7% VZGNI-TRANSIT - Verizon Internet Services Inc. AS8151 1180 513 667 56.5% Uninet S.A. de C.V. AS1785 1005 350 655 65.2% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec Communications, Inc. AS17488 1009 355 654 64.8% HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over Cable Internet AS6478 904 349 555 61.4% ATT-INTERNET3 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS18101 673 119 554 82.3% RIL-IDC Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet Data Centre, AS2386 1397 861 536 38.4% INS-AS - AT&T Data Communications Services AS4812 613 115 498 81.2% CHINANET-SH-AP China Telecom (Group) AS7011 1086 617 469 43.2% FRONTIER-AND-CITIZENS - Frontier Communications of America, Inc. AS6197 988 522 466 47.2% BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS855 641 183 458 71.5% CANET-ASN-4 - Bell Aliant AS19916 555 99 456 82.2% ASTRUM-0001 - OLM LLC AS7018 1464 1038 426 29.1% ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS3356 828 403 425 51.3% LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications AS8103 566 142 424 74.9% STATE-OF-FLA - Florida Department of Management Services - Technology Program AS17676 508 88 420 82.7% GIGAINFRA BB TECHNOLOGY Corp. AS4134 857 452 405 47.3% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS5668 683 280 403 59.0% AS-5668 - CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. AS6140 617 231 386 62.6% IMPSAT-USA - ImpSat USA, Inc. AS9443 455 78 377 82.9% INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications AS3602 453 78 375 82.8% AS3602-RTI - Rogers Telecom Inc. AS7545 485 116 369 76.1% TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd AS22047 557 189 368 66.1% VTR BANDA ANCHA S.A. Total 27018 9313 17705 65.5% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.38.0.0/17 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.48.0.0/13 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.51.159.0/24 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.54.224.0/19 AS20001 ROADRUNNER-WEST - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.75.160.0/19 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.75.192.0/18 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 24.142.40.0/21 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 24.142.160.0/19 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.0.0/17 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 62.0.0.0/8 AS29049 DELTA-TELECOM-AS Delta Telecom LTD. 62.61.220.0/24 AS24974 TACHYON-EU Tachyon Europe BV - Wireless Broadband via Satellite 63.140.213.0/24 AS22555 UTC - Universal Talkware Corporation 63.141.42.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 63.143.71.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 63.143.115.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 63.248.0.0/16 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 64.5.64.0/22 AS7228 MCLEOD - McLeod, Inc. 64.5.68.0/24 AS7228 MCLEOD - McLeod, Inc. 64.5.69.0/24 AS7228 MCLEOD - McLeod, Inc. 64.5.70.0/23 AS7228 MCLEOD - McLeod, Inc. 64.5.72.0/24 AS7228 MCLEOD - McLeod, Inc. 64.5.73.0/24 AS7228 MCLEOD - McLeod, Inc. 64.5.74.0/23 AS7228 MCLEOD - McLeod, Inc. 64.5.76.0/22 AS7228 MCLEOD - McLeod, Inc. 64.5.80.0/20 AS7228 MCLEOD - McLeod, Inc. 64.5.96.0/22 AS7228 MCLEOD - McLeod, Inc. 64.5.100.0/23 AS7228 MCLEOD - McLeod, Inc. 64.5.102.0/24 AS7228 MCLEOD - McLeod, Inc. 64.5.103.0/24 AS7228 MCLEOD - McLeod, Inc. 64.5.104.0/21 AS7228 MCLEOD - McLeod, Inc. 64.5.112.0/20 AS7228 MCLEOD - McLeod, Inc. 64.7.112.0/21 AS6453 GLOBEINTERNET Teleglobe America Inc. 64.7.120.0/21 AS6453 GLOBEINTERNET Teleglobe America Inc. 64.50.128.0/18 AS4565 MEGAPATH2-US - MegaPath Networks Inc. 64.64.159.0/24 AS32004 BIG-ASN - Business Information Group, Inc. 64.144.0.0/15 AS4565 MEGAPATH2-US - MegaPath Networks Inc. 64.188.0.0/16 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 65.36.8.0/24 AS5696 65.36.9.0/24 AS5696 65.36.33.0/24 AS5696 65.36.52.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 66.6.34.0/24 AS14935 MONTICELLO - Monticello Networks, Inc. 66.11.32.0/20 AS6261 VISINET - Visionary Systems, Inc. 66.11.40.0/21 AS6261 VISINET - Visionary Systems, Inc. 66.54.91.0/24 AS30506 BLACKSUN-1 - Blacksun Technologies LLC 66.55.160.0/19 AS29994 66.64.96.0/20 AS3790 RADIGRAFICA COSTARRICENSE 66.117.16.0/24 AS19041 WSCS - WebSideStory Search and Content Solutions 66.117.17.0/24 AS19041 WSCS - WebSideStory Search and Content Solutions 66.117.18.0/23 AS19041 WSCS - WebSideStory Search and Content Solutions 66.117.20.0/23 AS19041 WSCS - WebSideStory Search and Content Solutions 66.117.24.0/22 AS19041 WSCS - WebSideStory Search and Content Solutions 66.180.239.0/24 AS35888 VIGNETTE - VIGNETTE CORPORATION 66.199.32.0/20 AS10397 WISP-AS - Wispnet, LLC 66.206.32.0/24 AS17787 PSEB-AS-PK Pakistan Software Export Board 66.206.33.0/24 AS17787 PSEB-AS-PK Pakistan Software Export Board 66.206.34.0/24 AS17787 PSEB-AS-PK Pakistan Software Export Board 66.206.35.0/24 AS17787 PSEB-AS-PK Pakistan Software Export Board 66.206.40.0/22 AS174 COGENT Cogent/PSI 66.206.44.0/23 AS174 COGENT Cogent/PSI 66.206.47.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 66.207.32.0/20 AS23011 66.219.192.0/18 AS5048 FIBER - FIBERNET Corp. 67.20.0.0/14 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 67.22.64.0/21 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.64.0.0/13 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.64.58.0/24 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.168.0.0/14 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 68.232.0.0/14 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 69.71.192.0/20 AS13818 PHX-INTL-TELEPORT - Phoenix International Teleport 69.80.0.0/17 AS3043 AMPHIB-AS - Amphibian Media Corporation 69.160.0.0/12 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 69.167.176.0/20 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 69.169.0.0/17 AS20001 ROADRUNNER-WEST - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 70.32.0.0/13 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 70.36.0.0/20 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 70.37.212.0/22 AS7843 ADELPHIA-AS - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 70.40.0.0/16 AS19548 ADELPHIA-AS2 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 80.88.0.0/21 AS33774 DJAWEB 80.88.8.0/22 AS33774 DJAWEB 80.88.10.0/24 AS33774 DJAWEB 80.88.11.0/24 AS33774 DJAWEB 80.88.12.0/24 AS33779 wataniya-telecom-as 91.203.88.0/23 AS6723 91.203.90.0/23 AS6723 95.192.0.0/16 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS project 95.255.248.0/21 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS project 137.0.0.0/13 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 151.135.0.0/16 AS4768 CLIX-NZ TelstraClear Ltd 159.3.211.0/24 AS2687 ASATTCA AT&T Global Network Services - AP 163.142.0.0/16 AS2500 WIDE-BB WIDE Project 166.63.0.0/16 AS33775 NITEL-AS 172.10.1.0/30 AS18305 POSNET POSDATA Co.,Ltd 192.9.200.0/24 AS3602 AS3602-RTI - Rogers Telecom Inc. 192.30.93.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.94.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.40.105.0/24 AS12582 TSF-DATANET-NGD-AS TSF MPLS VPN Services 192.64.85.0/24 AS1759 TSF-IP-CORE TeliaSonera Finland IP Network 192.69.107.0/24 AS1759 TSF-IP-CORE TeliaSonera Finland IP Network 192.69.108.0/24 AS1759 TSF-IP-CORE TeliaSonera Finland IP Network 192.69.177.0/24 AS1759 TSF-IP-CORE TeliaSonera Finland IP Network 192.70.164.0/24 AS25689 NRCNET-AS - National Research Council of Canada 192.96.36.0/24 AS5713 SAIX-NET 192.96.37.0/24 AS10474 NETACTIVE 192.96.135.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 192.96.136.0/23 AS2018 TENET-1 192.96.143.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 192.96.145.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 192.96.177.0/24 AS6083 POSIX-AFRICA 192.101.45.0/24 AS2905 TICSA-ASN 192.101.46.0/24 AS6503 Avantel, S.A. 192.101.47.0/24 AS6503 Avantel, S.A. 192.101.64.0/21 AS702 AS702 Verizon Business EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 192.101.67.0/24 AS21775 192.101.70.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 192.101.71.0/24 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 192.101.72.0/24 AS702 AS702 Verizon Business EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 192.101.73.0/24 AS4765 WORLDNET-AS World Net & Services Co., Ltd. 192.101.74.0/24 AS1239 SPRINTLINK - Sprint 192.122.212.0/24 AS209 ASN-QWEST - Qwest 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 DFN-IP Service G-WiN 192.131.233.0/24 AS7891 BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK2 - Bellsouth.Net 192.133.6.0/24 AS10282 EQUANT-CEEUR EQUANT AS for Central and Eastern Europe region 192.153.144.0/21 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 192.188.208.0/20 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 193.200.114.0/23 AS31530 SERVERCREW-AS Servercrew LTD Autonomes System 194.31.227.0/24 AS21461 TRANSFAIRNET Transfair-net GmbH Krefeld 194.246.72.0/23 AS8893 ARTFILES-AS Artfiles New Media GmbH 196.6.108.0/24 AS5713 SAIX-NET 196.10.119.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.10.122.0/23 AS2018 TENET-1 196.10.251.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.10.252.0/23 AS2018 TENET-1 196.10.254.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.101.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.102.0/23 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.104.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.121.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.125.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.126.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.169.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.174.0/23 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.176.0/21 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.192.0/22 AS2018 TENET-1 196.13.196.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 196.201.98.0/24 AS29571 CITelecom-AS 196.216.132.0/24 AS9207 TAIDE-KE-NAIROBI Taide - Kenya POP 196.216.134.0/24 AS9207 TAIDE-KE-NAIROBI Taide - Kenya POP 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLATLANTIC-COM - Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.54.82.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 198.54.92.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 198.54.222.0/24 AS2018 TENET-1 198.97.72.0/21 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.80.0/20 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.96.0/19 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.240.0/20 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 198.144.96.0/20 AS12185 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GT-BELL - Bell Canada 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INTERHOP - Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASKTEL - Saskatchewan Telecommunications 198.180.198.0/24 AS23715 SEOUL-INTGW-GXS-AP Global Exchange Services 199.9.128.0/17 AS668 ASN-ASNET-NET-AS - Defense Research and Engineering Network 199.10.0.0/16 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.0.0/21 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.128.0/18 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.130.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.131.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.134.0/24 AS3541 ITSDN-U4 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.136.0/24 AS27044 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.138.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 ITSDN-U7 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.142.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS6045 DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS27033 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.153.0/24 AS27034 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.114.156.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.121.0.0/16 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.0.0/18 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.16.0/20 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.80.0/21 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST-AS - IQuest Internet 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 199.246.116.0/24 AS813 UUNET-CANADA - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 202.45.132.0/22 AS24314 202.58.113.0/24 AS19161 INNOCOM-TELECOM - INNOCOM TELECOM 202.73.144.0/20 AS4788 TMNET-AS-AP TM Net, Internet Service Provider 202.86.252.0/22 AS4748 RESOLINK-AS-AP Resources Link Network Limited 202.86.252.0/24 AS9304 HUTCHISON-AS-AP Hutchison Global Communications 202.86.253.0/24 AS9304 HUTCHISON-AS-AP Hutchison Global Communications 202.86.254.0/24 AS9304 HUTCHISON-AS-AP Hutchison Global Communications 202.86.255.0/24 AS9304 HUTCHISON-AS-AP Hutchison Global Communications 202.90.33.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.40.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.41.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.42.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.43.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.44.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.94.1.0/24 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network China169 Beijing Province Network 202.94.70.0/24 AS9837 POWERTEL-AP Powertel Ltd 202.124.195.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.124.207.0/24 AS17911 BRAINPK-AS-AP Brain Telecommunication Ltd. 202.136.254.0/24 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network China169 Beijing Province Network 202.136.255.0/24 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network China169 Beijing Province Network 202.164.100.0/24 AS18101 RIL-IDC Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet Data Centre, 202.181.32.0/24 AS4645 ASN-HKNET-AP HKNet Co. 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Crescent Technology 216.162.96.0/19 AS7393 CYBERCON - CYBERCON, INC. 216.172.198.0/24 AS22773 CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. 216.172.199.0/24 AS22773 CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. 216.210.86.0/24 AS577 BACOM - Bell Canada 216.240.240.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 216.240.241.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 216.240.242.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 216.251.207.0/24 AS1239 SPRINTLINK - Sprint 217.78.71.0/24 AS12491 IPPLANET-AS IPPlanet 217.78.72.0/24 AS12491 IPPLANET-AS IPPlanet 217.78.73.0/24 AS12491 IPPLANET-AS IPPlanet Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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spam wanted :)
by Randy Bush 10 Apr '08

10 Apr '08

for a measurement experiment, i would like O(100k) *headers* from spam from europe and a similar sample from the states. this would be a straight sample, before filtering, ip address blocking, etc. if you can help, please drop me a note and we can discuss how the sample is taken and how delivered. thanks! randy

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Internet Reachability
by Edward A. Trdina III 10 Apr '08

10 Apr '08

Anyone noticing any issues reaching sites through their "Internet tubes"? Specifically it looks like DSLR is down. And I was having a problem reaching MSN earlier today. Regards, Edward A. Trdina III Senior Network/Systems Engineer Clayton Kendall, Inc. 150 West Street East Pittsburgh, PA 15112 Office (412)829-2201 x 31 Fax (412)829-5842 Cell (412)334-8000

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anybody else get mail from "Cassel McWaters" (xtracapacity.com) today?
by Paul Vixie 10 Apr '08

10 Apr '08

i'm trying to keep track of which mailing list is getting scraped by whom, at least among those who coldcall me. anybody else get one of these today? re:

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Re: Bandwidth issues in the Sprint network
by rcheung＠rochester.rr.com 10 Apr '08

10 Apr '08

You can also use ttcp from the command line, useful if its cisco on both ends of the circuit. sr01#ttcp transmit or receive [receive]: transmit Target IP address: 1.1.1.1 calculate checksum during buffer write [y]: perform tcp half close [n]: send buflen [32768]: send nbuf [2048]: bufalign [16384]: bufoffset [0]: port [5001]: sinkmode [y]: buffering on writes [y]: show tcp information at end [n]: ttcp-t: buflen=32768, nbuf=2048, align=16384/0, port=5001 tcp -> 1.1.1.1 sr02#ttcp transmit or receive [receive]: receive packets asynchronously [n]: perform tcp half close [n]: receive buflen [32768]: bufalign [16384]: bufoffset [0]: port [5001]: sinkmode [y]: rcvwndsize [32768]: ack frequency [0]: delayed ACK [y]: show tcp information at end [n]: ttcp-r: buflen=32768, align=16384/0, port=5001 rcvwndsize=32768, delayedack=yes tcp ---- Michael Holstein <michael.holstein(a)csuohio.edu> wrote: > > > > Does anyone know of bootable Linux CD with iperf on it? > > > > Knoppix STD (security tools distro) > > http://www.knoppix-std.org/tools.html > > Cheers, > > Michael Holstein > Cleveland State University

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RE: Bandwidth issues in the Sprint network
by Frank Bulk 10 Apr '08

10 Apr '08

I tried this on three laptops (two different models), and none of them would fully boot. They would lock up at different points. Unless someone has some workarounds, I think I'll be trying another ISO package. Regards, Frank -----Original Message----- From: Tim Peiffer [mailto:peiffer@umn.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:50 AM To: frnkblk(a)iname.com Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Bandwidth issues in the Sprint network http://e2epi.internet2.edu/network-performance-toolkit/network-performance-t oolkit.iso Frank Bulk wrote: > Does anyone know of bootable Linux CD with iperf on it? > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Mike > Gonnason > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:05 AM > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Bandwidth issues in the Sprint network > > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Brian Raaen <braaen(a)zcorum.com> wrote: > >> I have been using the Java based versions of the speed test. At this >> > point I > >> have had some Sprint people get in contact with me so I will see what >> > they > >> find. Thank you for all your help to everyone. >> >> -- >> Brian Raaen >> Network Engineer >> braaen(a)zcorum.com >> >> >>> On Monday 07 April 2008, you wrote: >>> >> > I am currently having problems get upload bandwidth on a Sprint >> > circuit. I > >> am using a full OC3 circuit. I am doing fine on downloading data, but >> uploading data I can only get about 5Mbps with ftp or a speedtest. I >> > have > >> tested against multiple networks and this has stayed the same. >> > Monitoring > >> Cacti graphs and the router I do get about 30Mbps total traffic outbound, >> > but > >> individual (flows/ip?) test always seem limited. I would like to know if >> anyone else sees anything similar, or where I can get help. The >> > assistance I > >> have gotten from Sprint up to this point is that they find no problems. >> > Due > >> to the consistency of 5Mbps I am suspecting rate limiting, but wanted to >> > know if I was overlooking something else. >> > >> > -- >> > Brian Raaen >> > Network Engineer >> > braaen(a)zcorum.com >> > >> >> > > Most of the speed test sites on the Internet basically issue a HTTP > GET request to a server and time the download. For upload they utilize > a HTTP POST via a CGI script and time that. The main issue I have with > these speed tests is that they only use a single TCP session for data > transfer, which is fine if you have a large or self adjusting TCP > window size and a relatively low latency link. > > However for high capacity links, it is unlikely (but possible) that > you are planning to use a single TCP session and consume all the > available capacity. Realistically you will have a few dozen > server/applications/users and produce hundreds/thousands of TCP > sessions which will fully utilize the link. > > For our PtP customers that have concerns regarding capacity, I > generally they suggest setup iperf at both ends and run a few tests > with multiple TCP sessions so they can independently verify. Hopefully > Sprint will take your concerns to heart and assist you with testing. > > -Mike Gonnason >

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nanog 43 draft agenda posted
by Todd Underwood 10 Apr '08

10 Apr '08

<hat type="program committee" role="chair" scope="NANOG"> the astute (or obsessive) among you may have already noted that the nanog 43 draft agenda was recently posted at: http://nanog.org/mtg-0806/agenda.html the program committee is excited about both the content that has already been selected and how early we have been able to get this announcement out to the community. we have received feedback indicating that announcing most of the agenda early significantly improves attendees' ability to obtain travel approvals and make travel plans. so here you have it. two months out. there are a few slots left and a bunch of great content still in the submission queue, so expect a final agenda announcement within a couple of weeks. if you have not already booked your travel and hotel for nanog 43 in brooklyn, please consider doing so soon. hotel rooms are a steal for NYC (only $239!) and the city is beautiful in june. thanks very much to telx for subsidizing the rooms to meet the cost standards of the unusually frugal (even miserly) group that we are! this is really what makes this nanog in brooklyn possible. i want to thank the community for the outpouring of interesting submissions that we received--there was a lot of good content to choose from. i also want to thank the program committee members for all their hard work recruiting, shepherding and reviewing content. it's not easy being on the program committee and we have a great team of people working hard to produce this conference. we think you'll like it. hope see you in brooklyn. todd underwood </hat> -- _____________________________________________________________________ todd underwood +1 603 643 9300 x101 renesys corporation general manager babbledog todd(a)renesys.com http://www.renesys.com/blog http://babbledog.com/

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RE: fiber switch for gig
by Andrew Staples 09 Apr '08

09 Apr '08

I was asked to summarize what I found. I only had two personal recommendations based on respondents use/experience, so I don't have much of a rating to give back to the list. However, I did do some research as follows. Some disclaimers/explanations: 1. Best Price = no gbics. Total Price = includes gbics @ $80/each (generic brand GBIC, not sure it they work in all models. I've not had problems using generic gbics in FC switches.ymmv) 2. Feature set is my personal subjective rating based on high-level features important to me. Your feature-set needs may be different. 3. Couldn't find RPS info on two switches. As an alternative, I like to use Tripplite Digital Power ATS PDUs for all my single-power-supply gear. 4. There may be additional costs for various feature sets. 5. Best pricing usually means used/refurbed gear with warranties. I've added the base list price (without gbics) if you like shiny new. 6. No warranties expressed or implied as to the accuracy/completeness of the info below (I didn't call each manufacturer to verify their documentation). If you can clarify any inaccuracies, send me a note off-list. 7. I couldn't verify if the Force10 needed gbics or not.two different documents gave conflicting information, so I assumed worst-case. 8. No particular ranking is imputed by the table. 9. Delete the email rather than complain about the html format. Product Feature Set Ports Best Price Price/Port L2/L3 RPS Total Price ($80 GBIC) Total P/P Base List Price Ciscos 3750G High 12 $ 5,200 $ 433 L3 Ext $ 6,160 $ 513 $ 11,000 Extreme X450-24x High 24 $ 4,700 $ 196 L3 Ext $ 6,620 $ 276 $ 6,800 Force10 S25P High 24 $ 5,500 $ 229 L3 Int $ 7,420 $ 309 ?? Extreme 11703 High 32 $ 4,500 $ 141 L3 ? $ 7,060 $ 221 $ 20,000 Foundry FESX424HF High 24 $ 9,995 $ 416 L3 Int $11,915 $ 496 $ 9,995 Alcatel 6850-U24X Med 24 $ 3,700 $ 154 L3 ? $ 5,620 $ 234 $ 4,200 Dlink DXS-3326GSR Med 24 $ 4,400 $ 183 L2 Ext $ 6,320 $ 263 $ 4,400 Zyxel GS-4012F Med 12 $ 950 $ 79 L3 Ext $ 1,910 $ 159 $ 950 Zyxel GS-3012F Low 12 $ 650 $ 54 L2 Ext $ 1,610 $ 134 $ 650 Netgear GSM7328FS Med 24 $ 2,400 $ 100 L3 No $ 4,320 $ 180 $ 2,800 Netgear GSM7312 Low 12 $ 850 $ 71 L3 No $ 1,810 $ 151 $ 1,000 Dell 6224F Med 24 $ 1,999 $ 83 L3 Ext $ 3,919 $ 163 $ 1,999 Telco Systems T5C-24G High 24 $ 5,200 $ 217 L3 Int $ 7,120 $ 297 $ 5,200 HP 5406zl Med 24 $ 2,650 $ 110 L2 Int $ 4,570 $ 190 $ 4,825 Nortel 5530-24TFD Med 24 $ 6,100 $ 254 L3 Ext $ 8,020 $ 334 $ 6,100 Andrew On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Andrew Staples <andrews(a)ltinet.net> wrote: Speaking of running gig long distances, does anyone on the list have suggestions on a >8 port L2 switch with fiber ports based on personal experience? Lots of 48 port gig switches have 2-4 fiber uplink ports, but this means daisy-chains instead of hub/spoke. Looking for a central switch for a star topography to home fiber runs that is cost effective and works. Considering: DLink DXS-3326GSR NetGear GSM7312 Foundry SX-FI12GM-4 Zyxel GS-4012F I realize not all these switches are IEEE 802.3ae, Clause 49 or IEEE 802.3aq capable. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Valdis.Kletnieks(a)vt.edu Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:06 PM To: Michael Loftis Cc: frank(a)dticonsulting.com; michael.dillon(a)bt.com; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: cooling door On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:48:47 MDT, Michael Loftis said: > Yeah except in a lot of areas there is no MAN, and the ILECs want to > bend you over for any data access. I've no idea how well the MAN idea > is coming along in various areas, but you still have to pay for access > to it somehow, and that adds to overhead. Which leads to attempt > efficiency gains through centralization and increased density. I doubt we'll ever see the day when running gigabit across town becomes cost effective when compared to running gigabit to the other end of your server room/cage/whatever.

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