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contracts and survivability of telecom sector
by Patrick Giagnocavo 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

This evening I looked over the telecom companies that are my suppliers, or who supply my suppliers, etc. I noticed that all of them, including Level3 (stock symbol LVLT) have a lot of debt (finance.yahoo.com numbers): Company Name | Cash | Debt ATT | 1.63B | 80.13B Level3 | 666M | 6.84B Verizon | 2.07B | 43.11B Cogent | 129M | 330M Obviously there are other, important numbers and ratios, but I won't go into that here. As you know, there are supposedly huge problems with companies, even top-rated ones, in borrowing from the usual channels. If you assume for example, that Verizon has notes of 10-year terms, then (if the notes are spread evenly) they will need to borrow some $4Billion in the next 12 months. If the terms are a lot shorter, then the amount to borrow goes up significantly of course... My question: Are there any recommendations from an operational perspective, should one or more of these or other telecom companies have such problems? My belief at the moment, is that the risk is low, as operations will always continue running even during bankruptcies (as some may have already seen with other companies). I am not interested in financial prognostications, I am solely focused on operational issues that might affect e.g. connectivity. Cordially Patrick Giagnocavo patrick(a)zill.net

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NANOG44 lightning talk -- submission open
by Todd Underwood 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

<hat org="NANOG Program Committee" role="Chair"> NANOG44 is fast approaching and I hope to see many of you in LA this weekend and next week. As many of you know, Lightning talks are an important part of NANOG. They are short talks, often topical or late-breaking, accepted just prior to or at the conference. Total time is 10 minutes, including questions. Lightning talks are a perfect opportunity to add something topical to the program, or get feedback on preliminary work that is not ready for a full half-hour presentation yet. Lightning talks can be sumbitted at: https://www.nanogpc.org/lightning/ using your nanogpc.org speaker account. The only thing required is a compelling abstract and the willingness to put together some slides at the last second. The program committee will select the first talks for monday's lightning talk session on sunday night, so now is the time to submit your talk. </hat> -- _____________________________________________________________________ todd underwood +1 603 643 9300 x101 renesys corporation general manager babbledog todd(a)renesys.com http://www.renesys.com/blog

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[NANOG-announce] Program Committee Nominations
by Betty Burke 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

All: Just a reminder to get your Program Committee nominations into nominations(a)nanog.org. In just a few days the Merit team will be off to LA and NANOG44. While at the meeting we have many tasks that will take us away from email for a bit. We do not want to miss any one, so please take a moment in the next day or two to get those nominations and offers to serve into us!! Thanks in advance for your consideration and support. Sincerely, Betty Burke Merit/NANOG Project Manager Merit Network Inc. _______________________________________________ NANOG-announce mailing list NANOG-announce(a)nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-announce

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Cogent backbone issue
by Eric Gauthier 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

Hello, Around 7:45am this morning, we started to see intermittent issues for some sites across Cogent's backbone. Their internal tracking number appears to be #800535. Does anyone have more information? Eric :)

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JANOG's English Page Update
by MAWATARI Masataka 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

Dear NANOG Colleagues, We have updated JANOG (Japan Network Operators' Group) English wiki page. Recent additions include presentation titles and abstracts for the JANOG22 meeting, which was held July 2008. You can view the contents via the link below. http://www.janog.gr.jp/en/index.php?JANOG22%20Programs For us to bring better content, your comments and feedbacks are greatly appreciated. Regards, MAWATARI Masataka, for JANOG i18n Team

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Re: NANOG Digest, Vol 9, Issue 18
by Shawn Somers 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

Here's your Skynet Reference... I WORK for Skynet. And Yes, the parent company is Cyberdyne. -- Shawn Somers Systems Administrator Skynet BroadBand http://www.skynetbb.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:24:06 -0400 > From: "Steve Church" <nanog(a)headcandy.org> > Subject: Re: cnn.com - Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack > system (Einstein 3.0) > To: nanog(a)nanog.org > Message-ID: > <ec57bf890810060524q25ad1e6sce72589a7ca5d095(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'm surprised that no one has made a Skynet reference yet, perhaps because > such a reference would be trite and predictable. I'm feeling trite and > predictable this morning, so allow me to be the first. Homeland Security is > planning to launch Skynet. I hope you guys have your nuclear bunkers > stocked with Ensure. We on this list might be all that's left after > Judgement Day. > >> If it's going to "literally" shot down an attack like an AA weapon, are >> they planning on physically launching projectiles at compromised machines >> across the world and destroying them? > > Bill, they're probably planning on physically launching explosive > projectiles at compromised users. > > /me dons his tinfoil hat > > Steve > > > ------------------------------

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Re: cnn.com - Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack system (Einstein 3.0)
by Brandon Butterworth 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

> I'm feeling trite and > predictable this morning, so allow me to be the first. Homeland Security is > planning to launch Skynet. Too late, we did that already http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(satellites) brandon

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Go daddy mail services admin
by Blake Pfankuch 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

Could I get a godaddy mail admin to contact me off list? Ive been working with a client who has a hosted website and mail services and lost the ability to communicate with their SMTP server about 6 weeks ago. Been through about 4 hours on the phone with Godaddy Support and Comcast. Thanks Blake Pfankuch Connecting Point of Greeley Network Engineer 970-356-7224 [cid:image001.jpg@01C9222A.D05DF880][cid:image002.gif@01C9222A.D05DF880]

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comcast postmaster?
by Mark Jeftovic 05 Oct '08

05 Oct '08

Anybody ever have any luck reaching out to comcast mail ops here? I'd really like to open a conversation with one offlist. -mark -- Mark Jeftovic <markjr(a)easydns.com> Founder / President, easyDNS Technologies Inc. Company Website: http://www.easyDNS.com I ramble pointlessly from my blog: http://www.PrivateWorld.com

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Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: cnn.com - Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack system (Einstein 3.0)
by n3td3v 05 Oct '08

05 Oct '08

Yes, they put these bizarre ideas out there to see what public opinion is, they don't have a chance in hell of implementing it. On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:46 PM, James Matthews <nytrokiss(a)gmail.com> wrote: > They generally don't have any clue what they want. This is only a PR stunt > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:30 AM, n3td3v <xploitable(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Bad idea, >> >> The rogue government would use hospitals and power stations, to "cyber >> human shield" against the counter attack. >> >> You guys are living in cloud cuckoo land. The rogue government >> wouldn't have their bot nets in home computers that you could shut >> down easily. >> >> Read my rant about it all with the link below that I typed in May 2008 >> to stop the "Afcyber" idea going through. >> >> http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2008-May/062517.html >> >> All the best, >> >> n3td3v >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Tony Patti <tony(a)swalter.com> >> Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM >> Subject: cnn.com - Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack system >> (Einstein 3.0) >> To: "nanog(a)nanog.org" <nanog(a)nanog.org> >> >> >> I presume this CNN article falls within the "Internet operational and >> technical issues" (especially security) criteria of the NANOG AUP, >> in terms of "operat[ing] an Internet connected network", >> especially where Chertoff refers to " like an anti-aircraft weapon, >> shoot down an [Internet] attack before it hits its target". >> >> http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/10/04/chertoff.cyber.security/index.html >> >> Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack system >> >> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- First, there was "Einstein," the federal >> government's effort to protect itself from cyber attacks by limiting >> the number of portals to government computer systems and searching for >> signs of cyber tampering. >> >> Then Einstein 2.0, a system now being tested to detect computer >> intrusions as they happen. >> >> And in the future? Perhaps Einstein 3.0, which would give the >> government the ability to fight back. >> >> Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on Friday said he'd like >> to see a government computer infrastructure that could look for early >> indications of computer skullduggery and stop it before it happens. >> >> The system "would literally, like an anti-aircraft weapon, shoot down >> an attack before it hits its target," he said. "And that's what we >> call Einstein 3.0." >> >> At a meeting with reporters to highlight National Cyber Security >> Month, Chertoff reiterated his belief that the government should >> aggressively defend its computer systems, saying that terrorists, if >> they gain expertise already available to others, would "cause >> potentially very serious havoc" to government systems. >> >> "Let's make the investment now rather than wait until there's a huge >> catastrophe," he said. >> >> But despite his emphasis on the risks posed, Chertoff said the >> government is moving slowly to avoid stepping on the toes of the >> private sector as it addresses calls to reorganize the governance of >> cyberspace to provide accountability and authority. >> >> "I think the question of what is the government's role in cyberspace >> in general needs to be discussed among all the stakeholders, because >> there is a culture of cyberspace that is an open architecture," he >> said. "And I think if we just came in and said we want to take it >> over, there'd be, understandably, a considerable amount of discomfort >> with that." >> >> "We are deliberately going slowly because we recognize that the issue >> of government involvement in the Internet is fraught with all kinds of >> potential concerns and potential anxieties about not having the >> government have a big-foot impact on an area of communication and >> commerce that has traditionally been viewed as really independent and >> free." >> >> Chertoff said the government is "feeling our way to what is the right >> mix of government involvement with protecting the Internet in the >> private domain while preserving everybody's comfort level that we're >> not going to be in their business in a way that would be >> inappropriate." >> >> Asked if he envisioned a world with two cyberspaces, he said he >> envisions a world with "a lot of different levels of security and >> trust, depending upon the nature of what it is that you're doing." >> >> "We already have that now, in the sense that we have classified >> systems which are walled off from unclassified systems," he said. >> The Bush administration released its National Cyber Security >> Initiative in January. The "most immediate component" of it from the >> Department of Homeland Security's perspective, Chertoff said, is to >> increase security for federal government computer systems. >> >> But another priority is to work with the private sector to address >> threats to businesses. This includes not only protection from hackers, >> but also from counterfeit parts, which an individual or another nation >> could use to create vulnerabilities in the United States, he said. >> E-mail to a friend >> >> >> Tony Patti >> CIO >> S. Walter Packaging Corp. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > -- > http://www.goldwatches.com/ > > http://www.jewelerslounge.com/ >

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