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Re: Routing public traffic across county boundaries in Europe
by Scott Weeks 27 Jul '07

27 Jul '07

--- andy.loukes(a)thecloud.net wrote: What (if any) are the legal implications of taking internet destined traffic in one country and egressing it in another (with an ip block correctly marked for the correct country). Somebody mentioned to me the other day that they thought the Dutch government didn't allow an ISP to take internet traffic from a Dutch citizen and egress in another country because it makes it easy for the local country to snoop. ---------------------------------------------- That's funny. I've always thought of the internet as a global, borderless entity where ideas and information are shared without restraint. Perhaps it's time to whap the gov't with a clue bat? scott

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History of the EPO (Emergency Power Off)
by Sean Donelan 27 Jul '07

27 Jul '07

The interesting thing about the EPO and data centers is it wasn't orginally for life-safety, but came out of a recommendation by IBM to the NFPA for property protection. But like many things, the original reasoning been lost to history, and the codes grew in different ways. http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2007/May/07/averting_disaster_w… The history of the emergency power off switch dates back to 1959, when a fire in the Air Force's statistical division in the Pentagon caused $6.9 million in property damage and destroyed three IBM mainframe computers. "Nothing gets the government.s attention like something that happens to government," said Sawyer. The National Fire Protection Agency (NFPA) was tasked to develop rules to address fire risks in IT environments. Sometimes you need to revisit the rules. For example, for folks thought having automatic water sprinklers in data centers was a bad thing. Slowly folks have started to rethink it, and now automatic sprinklers are found in more data centers. I don't have hard data, but my experience is there have been fewer outages from accidental sprinkler discharges than from accidental EPO activations.

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Where did freeipdb IP utility site go?
by Brian Raaen 27 Jul '07

27 Jul '07

I was trying to investigate some the ip management tools and followed the link www.freeipdb.org and was more than a little upset with what I found. This domain name apparently has been taken by a porn site that is wanting to auction it off. does anyone know if the project died or if it changed domain names. I have removed the reference to it in the wiki page, but there are other references to the site on the NANOG site. I am not sure who will need to remove the links, but they no longer point to an ip management tool. If the utility still exist I would be intersted in finding it, as I saw not able to dig it up on a quick Google search. -- Brian Raaen Network Engineer braaen(a)zcorum.com

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DNS Hijacking by Cox
by Andrew Matthews 26 Jul '07

26 Jul '07

It looks like cox is hijacking dns for irc servers. bash2-2.05b$ nslookup > server 68.6.16.30 Default server: 68.6.16.30 Address: 68.6.16.30#53 > irc.vel.net Server: 68.6.16.30 Address: 68.6.16.30#53 Name: irc.vel.net Address: 70.168.71.144 > server ns1.vel.net Default server: ns1.vel.net Address: 207.182.224.10#53 > irc.vel.net Server: ns1.vel.net Address: 207.182.224.10#53 Name: irc.vel.net Address: 64.161.255.2 it looks like they are using it to clean drones, when you connect to their fake irc server you get forced joined into a channel. #martian_ [INFO] Channel view for "#martian_" opened. -->| YOU (andrew.m) have joined #martian_ =-= Mode #martian_ +nt by localhost.localdomain =-= Topic for #martian_ is ".bot.remove" =-= Topic for #martian_ was set by Marvin_ on Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:55:02 PM =-= Topic for #martian_ is ".remove" =-= Topic for #martian_ was set by Marvin_ on Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:55:02 PM =-= Topic for #martian_ is ".uninstall" =-= Topic for #martian_ was set by Marvin_ on Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:55:02 PM =-= Topic for #martian_ is "!bot.remove" =-= Topic for #martian_ was set by Marvin_ on Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:55:02 PM =-= Topic for #martian_ is "!remove" =-= Topic for #martian_ was set by Marvin_ on Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:55:02 PM =-= Topic for #martian_ is "!uninstall" =-= Topic for #martian_ was set by Marvin_ on Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:55:02 PM <Marvin_> .bot.remove <Marvin_> .remove <Marvin_> .uninstall <Marvin_> !bot.remove <Marvin_> !remove isn't there a law against hijacking dns? What can i do to persue this?

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AS209 peering contact
by Lasher, Donn 26 Jul '07

26 Jul '07

Unable to find peering contact information for AS209 Qwest. Any off-list help would be appreciated. Thank you -donn

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Re: Why do we use facilities with EPO's?
by George William Herbert 26 Jul '07

26 Jul '07

Barry wrote: >I worked three years with the boston fire dept, albeit quite a few >years ago, and rode into many fires and don't generally remember them >being much concerned about hitting *anything* with a high-pressure >stream of water if it's on fire. > >Remember all those rules you know about not using water on electrical >or chemical fires? Doesn't really count if you have charged fire hoses >and know what you're doing except in some special circumstances (they >did foam things occasionally, very occasionally, foam costs money!) Around here (Silli Valley) the firefighters I know are pretty aware of the risks of electricity. They say that some of them have been fried by UPSes. And hazmat; we have the large containers of WMD-grade-toxic silicon fab gases being shipped around. -george william herbert gherbert(a)retro.com

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RE: Level3 / Qwest routing issues earlier today?
by David Hubbard 26 Jul '07

26 Jul '07

From: Chris Riling > > Hi Guys, > > Was anyone else seeing anything weird going on today? I > have an OC-3 to Qwest, and another OC-3 to Level3, (among 2 > others to different providers) and when all was well, I was > receiving a little over 221,000 prefixes from L3. Then, > intermittently I would start losing prefixes from L3 and it > would get down to a little over 220,000. When this happened, > I noticed I was having intermittent connectivity issues > (atleast to one IP I was trying to get to). Doing a > traceroute during the "outage" the packets would hit Qwest's > network, then L3's, then drop, or sometimes not. I have since > admin downed my BGP peer to L3 and everything has > stabilized, but I was wondering if anyone else saw anything going on? I think there was something going on between Qwest and L3, I saw the same thing with traffic coming from a network I have equipment on which is connected with Qwest and tracing to our home AS which has L3 amongst others. I set a community for L3 to not advertise my prefixes to Qwest to get around it. It appears back to normal now though, I just tested. Dave

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Level3 / Qwest routing issues earlier today?
by Chris Riling 26 Jul '07

26 Jul '07

Hi Guys, Was anyone else seeing anything weird going on today? I have an OC-3 to Qwest, and another OC-3 to Level3, (among 2 others to different providers) and when all was well, I was receiving a little over 221,000 prefixes from L3. Then, intermittently I would start losing prefixes from L3 and it would get down to a little over 220,000. When this happened, I noticed I was having intermittent connectivity issues (atleast to one IP I was trying to get to). Doing a traceroute during the "outage" the packets would hit Qwest's network, then L3's, then drop, or sometimes not. I have since admin downed my BGP peer to L3 and everything has stabilized, but I was wondering if anyone else saw anything going on? Thanks, Chris

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Re: An Internet IPv6 Transition Plan
by James R. Cutler 26 Jul '07

26 Jul '07

Cost of operating v4/v6 combined for some time includes, among other things: 1. Help Desk calls resulting from confused customers wanting configuration help. 2. Memory for Routing Information for IPv4 plus IPv6. 3. Help Desk calls resulting from errors by confused engineers trying to work both protocols on too many devices. 4. Cost of documentation and training for Help Desk personnel. 5. Cost of "Linksys WRT54G-IP6" or equivalent because of increased memory and programming requirements. 6. Cost of software maintenance for network core router software -- didn't we just go through getting rid of DECnet, SNA, IPX/SPX, and AppleTalk because of this, among other reasons?? 7. Marketing cost of being perceived as "obsolete". 8. Opportunity cost due to more complex delivery configurations slowing down sales. 9. Cost of "IP Naming and Addressing Management" due to multiple protocol complexity -- didn't we just go through getting rid of DECnet, SNA, IPX/SPX, and AppleTalk because of this, among other reasons?? Of course, this is just a smattering. Note also that, although hardware costs for the router core are driven primarily by speed and port count, memory costs can be substantial. At 7/24/2007 11:50 AM -0400, Chad Oleary wrote: <snip/> However, what I'm trying to understand is why the motivation to rapidly go from v4 to v6 only? What are the factors I'm missing in operating v4/v6 combined for some time? Chad - James R. Cutler james.cutler(a)consultant.com

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Re: An Internet IPv6 Transition Plan
by Robert Boyle 26 Jul '07

26 Jul '07

At 01:22 PM 7/26/2007, you wrote: Let us not forget that network vendors are now capitalising on the requirement to purchase expensive licensing for such features as native IPv6 routing and 6PE, on their mid to high end kit. >I dont feel this sort of behaviour is helpful, I can understand >asking for licensing fees for L2VPN/L3VPN technologies since these >are products that service providers can levvy a reasonable charge >for, but to charge for IPv6 routing capability alone, at the time >where the discussion of which has never been so serious, leaves a >bit of a bad taste in one's mouth. This is one reason we moved to the Foundry XMR. Their purchase price includes all features such as ISIS, BGP, MPLS, IPv6, etc. Since other vendors charge too much (imho) for licensing, some projects like MPLS enabling a network or moving to IPv6 will not happen right away. New services will not be added which will not lead to new gear being purchased to help keep up with the growth of new services. If a few engineers want to play with some features or add a new service for a single client or two as a trial, but it is a multi-million dollar exercise in licensing, it won't happen until there is a business case and by then you are following the herd and not leading it. By that time your people are 2-3 years behind their peers in learning how to implement and support the new technology and you've lost potential clients and services too. Just my $.02. -R Tellurian Networks - Global Hosting Solutions Since 1995 http://www.tellurian.com | 888-TELLURIAN | 973-300-9211 "Well done is better than well said." - Benjamin Franklin

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