August 2006 - Test - lists.nanog.org

Comments on Yipes as a Provider?
by Elijah Savage 17 Aug '06

17 Aug '06

Has anyone on the list ever conduct business with Yipes http://www.yipes.com/about/yipes_about.shtml? If anyone has any comments and wishes to contact me off list with any specific comments it would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam
by Paul Jakma 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006, Stefan Bethke wrote: > Do you have any links or references? Just ask the user some basic question. E.g.: What is 2 added to 23?: <textbox> regards, -- Paul Jakma paul(a)clubi.ie paul(a)jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A Fortune: "Being disintegrated makes me ve-ry an-gry!" <huff, huff>

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european colo/bandwidth facilites?
by matthew zeier 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

My employer (Mozilla Corp) is looking to build out a site in Europe (and maybe, eventually Japan). Unfortunately I have little/no experience outside of "NA" and don't know which players (both for colo space and for bandwidth) would be best to talk to. Looking for pointers, and sales folk are welcome to email as well. - mz

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Is there a Comcast netops person lurking?
by joe mcguckin 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

Joe McGuckin ViaNet Communications joe(a)via.net 650-207-0372 cell 650-213-1302 office 650-969-2124 fax

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Courtney Love explains BGP
by Gadi Evron 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

This is quite informative, in a surprising fashion. It is not often we get something of the funny sort in the BGP realm. Please avoid it if sensitive to the.. more rude type of content. http://www.routergod.com/?p=40 This is one way to lighten the mood on NANOG, and at the same time insert some clue into our minds. :) Gadi.

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AS 8437 announced a quarter of the net for half of an hour
by Josh Karlin 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

Greetings, Today (Aug 14th 2006) AS 8437 announced 63 /8 nets from 14:30 to 15:00 UTC. I don't believe that this is normal, but please correct me if I am wrong. More info can be found at the Internet Alert Registry here: http://cs.unm.edu/~karlinjf/IAR/prefix.php?filter=most If you come to this 24 hours of the event, you can go here: http://cs.unm.edu/~karlinjf/IAR/search.php and do an Hijacker AS search on 8437. If you would like to see the routes as they happened from a RIPE viewpoint, please check out this very cool site: http://stats.sunet.se/bgpsearch/ Following is the list of announced nets: 1/8 2/8 5/8 7/8 23/8 27/8 31/8 36/8 37/8 39/8 42/8 49/8 50/8 77/8 78/8 79/8 92/8 93/8 94/8 95/8 96/8 97/8 98/8 99/8 100/8 101/8 102/8 103/8 104/8 105/8 106/8 107/8 108/8 109/8 110/8 111/8 112/8 113/8 114/8 115/8 116/8 117/8 118/8 119/8 120/8 173/8 174/8 175/8 176/8 177/8 178/8 179/8 180/8 181/8 182/8 183/8 184/8 185/8 186/8 187/8 197/8 198/8 223/8

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Regulatory - North Americas - Internet Access
by Ben Butler 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

Hi, Hoping someone may be able to help. Could someone please point me in the direction of any legislation / regulations that would effect providers of "Internet access" (DSL & Metro Ethernet) services to residential and business customers located in the US and Canada. Am I correct in my understanding that a Canadian registered company will also be able to sell services in the US because of NAFTA (and visa versa). But that without a domestically registered company in the US or Canada (i.e. a UK company), this would cause problems, tax / financial or regulatory in provision of communication services in North America. While we are on the subject we were looking at Bell Canada and New Edge for Wholesale DSL. If there are other people think I should be looking at as well please private mail me. Both the above are PoPed in Vancouver/Seattle and that is where I was looking to pick up the Wholesale Networks. TIA Kind Regards Ben Butler ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ C2 Internet Ltd Globe House The Gullet Nantwich Cheshire CW5 5RL E mailto:ben.butler@c2internet.net W http://www.c2internet.net/ B http://c2internet.blogspot.com/ T +44-(0)845-658-0020 F +44-(0)845-658-0070 C2 Internet - company blog <http://feeds.feedburner.com/C2Internet-CompanyBlog> All quotes & services from C2 are bound by our standard terms and conditions which are available on our website at: http://www.c2internet.net/legal/main.htm#tandc

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Fwd: Blogger post failed
by Derek J. Balling 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

Who forwards NANOG posts to a blogger gateway? You, me, and a claw- hammer need to have a chat. Begin forwarded message: > From: postgateway(a)blogger.com > Date: August 14, 2006 12:30:17 PM EDT > To: deballing(a)vassar.edu > Subject: Blogger post failed > > Blogger does not accept multipart/signed files. > > Error code: 7.1DC3E6B > > Original message: > From: deballing(a)vassar.edu > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:13:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: SORBS Contact > None -- Derek J. Balling Manager of Systems Administration Vassar College 124 Raymond Ave Box 0406 - Computer Center 217 Poughkeepsie, NY 12604 W: (845) 437-7231 C: (845) 249-9731

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Re: SORBS Contact
by Robert Bonomi 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

> From owner-nanog(a)merit.edu Wed Aug 9 22:00:58 2006 > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: SORBS Contact > From: Allan Poindexter <apoindex(a)aoc.nrao.edu> > Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:59:36 -0600 > > > Matthew> so would you consider as it is my network, that I should > Matthew> not be allowed to impose these 'draconian' methods and > Matthew> perhaps I shouldn't be allowed to censor traffic to and > Matthew> from my networks? > > If you want to run a network off in the corner by yourself this is > fine. If you have agreed to participate in the Internet you have an > obligation to deliver your traffic. Obligation to _whom_? My only obligations are to those who _pay_ me for access to my systems/resources. If the people who *do* pay me for use of my systems/resources "don't want" that cr*p, then I do 'have an obligation' to _not_ deliver that traffic. And _how_ I implement that, to the satisfaction of =my= customers, is NONE OF _YOUR_ BUSINSESS, since you are *not* one of my paying customers. I don't have to tell _you_ what I do; I don't have to listen to any of your 'complaints'; and I sure-as-hell don't have to defend, _to_you_, what I do. > At LISA a couple of years ago a Microsoftie got up at the SPAM > symposium and told of an experiment they did where they asked their > hotmail users to identify their mail messages as spam or not. He said > the users got it wrong some small percentage amount of the time. I > was stunned at the arrogance and presumption in that comment. You > can't tell from looking at the contents, source, or destination if > something is spam because none of these things can tell whether the > message was requested or is wanted by the recipient. The recipient is > the only person who can determine these things. Do *you* _KNOW_ how hotmail came up with that determination that 'users got it wrong some small percentage of the time'? If you *don't*, you are exhibiting _at_least_ as much 'arrogance and presumption' as you accuse them of. I *KNOW*FOR*A*FACT*, that some people _do_, occasionally 'get it wrong'. I, _personally_, have done it. Be it an 'off-by-one' error in selecting and marking the message, to a long-delayed response to something _I_ sent, and that came in _without_ reference to what I sent, errors *DO* happen. Note: it can be _really_ easy to figure out if/when people mis-identify 'spam'. You ask them to classify a bunch of old messages, presented one at a time. You present the _same_ message *more*than*once*. If they mark it is 'good' three times, and 'spam' once. Then they *did* 'get it wrong' -- it's not certain _which_ way they 'got it wrong', but it *IS* absolutely certain that they did 'get it wrong' "at least once". I've seen some of the stuff AOL _users_ flag as 'spam' -- "content analysis" *alone* virtually guarantees that they were flagged in error. Things like college acceptance letters from Division I schools, bank overdraft notices, NDRs for mail they themselves *sent*, 'delivery receipts' and/or 'read receipts' that they had _requested_ on mail they sent out, etc., etc. > > There are simple solutions to this. They do work in spite of the > moanings of the hand wringers. In the meantime my patience with email > "lost" silently due to blacklists, etc. is growing thin. If you want 'reliable' delivery, you _pay_ the recieving system (and the intermediaries) for that service. Your lack of patience with something other people _give_ you the free use of is, quite simply, an inexcusable display of arrogance and presumption.

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Qwest engineer
by J. Oquendo 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

Can a Qwest engineer send me an offlist email pertaining to a DS3. -- ==================================================== J. Oquendo http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1383A743 GPG Key ID 0x1383A743 Fingerprint: 7B02 28CF 24D3 ACA7 9907 789A 8772 7736 1383 A743 26:0608031813:J. Oquendo::fNaE6zH/HDTggYKS:005zLMj sil . infiltrated @ net http://www.infiltrated.net The happiness of society is the end of government. John Adams

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