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Tier-2 reachability and multihoming
by G Pavan Kumar 25 Mar '05

25 Mar '05

Hi there, I have been working on characterizing the internet hierarchy. I noticed that 27% of the total possible tier-2 provider node pairs are not connected i.e., they dont have any tier-1 node connecting them nor a direct peering link between them. Multihoming can be used as a predominant reason for the reachability of tier-3 nodes which are customers of these nodes, but what about the reachability of tier-2 nodes themselves and its customers which cannot afford to multihoming? How does BGP solve this reachability problem when it gets a request to a prefix unreachable? 1 tier-1 / 2 4 tier-2 / \ / \ 5 6 7 8 tier-3 here, nodes 2 and 4 have no reachability, 1 / | 2 3 4 / \ \/ \ 5 6 7 8 now, node 7 is reachable from 2 and its lower level nodes, but what about node 4 and 8, and as a typical case, suppose nodes 4 and 8 have no multihoming whatsoever, what then? Regards,

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Re: Attractive Nuisance, was Re: 72/8 friendly reminder
by David Barak 25 Mar '05

25 Mar '05

--- Mike Leber <mleber(a)he.net> wrote: <snip regarding "attractive nuisance"> Well, there has been some movement - Cisco has changed their policy, as noted here: http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/2005-02/msg00354.html Now if we can just get everyone else to play along... David Barak Need Geek Rock? Try The Franchise: http://www.listentothefranchise.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 25 Mar '05

25 Mar '05

This report has been generated at Fri Mar 25 21:44:39 2005 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 18-03-05 154393 106136 19-03-05 154543 106383 20-03-05 154926 106358 21-03-05 154810 106466 22-03-05 154934 106356 23-03-05 154780 106461 24-03-05 155023 106449 25-03-05 155029 106495 AS Summary 19153 Number of ASes in routing system 7806 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1464 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS7018 : ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 90498048 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS721 : DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 25Mar05 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 155106 106532 48574 31.3% All ASes AS4323 1080 227 853 79.0% TWTC - Time Warner Telecom AS18566 780 7 773 99.1% COVAD - Covad Communications AS4134 879 210 669 76.1% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS721 1120 566 554 49.5% DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center AS22773 475 23 452 95.2% CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. AS27364 465 22 443 95.3% ACS-INTERNET - Armstrong Cable Services AS6197 876 466 410 46.8% BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS7018 1464 1054 410 28.0% ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS3602 506 144 362 71.5% SPRINT-CA-AS - Sprint Canada Inc. AS6478 498 145 353 70.9% ATT-INTERNET3 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS17676 424 78 346 81.6% JPNIC-JP-ASN-BLOCK Japan Network Information Center AS9929 347 45 302 87.0% CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. AS4766 570 277 293 51.4% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS7545 483 227 256 53.0% TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd AS14654 262 6 256 97.7% WAYPORT - Wayport AS9443 378 126 252 66.7% INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications AS1239 911 660 251 27.6% SPRINTLINK - Sprint AS6140 384 135 249 64.8% IMPSAT-USA - ImpSat AS9583 631 391 240 38.0% SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited AS4355 289 60 229 79.2% ERMS-EARTHLNK - EARTHLINK, INC AS6198 458 231 227 49.6% BATI-MIA - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS15270 261 37 224 85.8% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec.net -a division of PaeTecCommunications, Inc. AS5668 466 258 208 44.6% AS-5668 - CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. AS2386 834 627 207 24.8% INS-AS - AT&T Data Communications Services AS11456 310 106 204 65.8% NUVOX - NuVox Communications, Inc. AS9498 263 69 194 73.8% BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. AS6167 268 79 189 70.5% CELLCO-PART - Cellco Partnership AS6517 309 122 187 60.5% YIPESCOM - Yipes Communications, Inc. AS6147 205 20 185 90.2% Telefonica del Peru S.A.A. AS16852 239 65 174 72.8% FOCAL-CHICAGO - Focal Data Communications of Illinois Total 16435 6483 9952 60.6% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.138.80.0/20 AS11260 ANDARA-HSI - Andara High Speed Internet c/o Halifax Cable Ltd. 24.246.0.0/17 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 64.17.32.0/24 AS5024 BRIDGE - BridgeNet, LC 64.17.33.0/24 AS5024 BRIDGE - BridgeNet, LC 64.17.37.0/24 AS5024 BRIDGE - BridgeNet, LC 64.57.160.0/19 AS3561 SAVVIS - Savvis 64.92.128.0/19 AS3561 SAVVIS - Savvis 64.127.0.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 64.209.192.0/18 AS3561 SAVVIS - Savvis 66.37.96.0/20 AS3764 IA-HOU-AS - Internet America, Inc. 66.164.232.0/24 AS6197 BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc 67.47.0.0/17 AS4765 WORLDNET-AS World Net & Services Co., Ltd. 67.47.0.0/18 AS4765 WORLDNET-AS World Net & Services Co., Ltd. 67.47.64.0/18 AS4765 WORLDNET-AS World Net & Services Co., Ltd. 172.32.0.0/24 AS7011 CITLINK - Citizens Utilities 192.30.93.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.94.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.40.105.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.43.230.0/24 AS7575 AARNET-AS-AP Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 192.44.0.0/24 AS5501 FRAUNHOFER-CLUSTER-BW Fraunhofer Gesellschaft 192.70.164.0/24 AS25689 NRCNET-AS - National Research Council of Canada 192.81.182.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.81.183.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.81.184.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 PSCNI-AS - National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.133.6.0/24 AS4004 GLOBALONE-EQUANT-UK Equant UK & Greece Autonomous System 192.135.50.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 192.136.53.0/24 AS8346 SONATEL-AS Autonomous System 192.153.144.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 192.172.0.0/19 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 192.188.208.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 192.200.100.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 196.2.95.0/24 AS8668 TELONE-AS TelOne Zimbabwe P/L 196.192.0.0/20 AS23889 MAURITIUS-TELECOM-AS-AP MAURITIUS TELECOM 196.192.12.0/22 AS23889 MAURITIUS-TELECOM-AS-AP MAURITIUS TELECOM 196.192.32.0/24 AS5511 OPENTRANSIT France Telecom 196.192.33.0/24 AS5511 OPENTRANSIT France Telecom 196.192.34.0/24 AS5511 OPENTRANSIT France Telecom 196.192.35.0/24 AS5511 OPENTRANSIT France Telecom 196.192.36.0/24 AS5511 OPENTRANSIT France Telecom 196.192.37.0/24 AS5511 OPENTRANSIT France Telecom 196.192.39.0/24 AS5511 OPENTRANSIT France Telecom 196.192.45.0/24 AS5511 OPENTRANSIT France Telecom 196.192.46.0/24 AS5511 OPENTRANSIT France Telecom 196.192.47.0/24 AS5511 OPENTRANSIT France Telecom 196.192.64.0/21 AS23889 MAURITIUS-TELECOM-AS-AP MAURITIUS TELECOM 196.192.96.0/20 AS23889 MAURITIUS-TELECOM-AS-AP MAURITIUS TELECOM 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLATLANTIC-COM - Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.97.72.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.80.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.88.0/24 AS89 NUSC-CSTLNET-AS - Naval Underwater Systems Center 198.97.240.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.247.0/24 AS3475 LANT-AFLOAT - Department of the Navy 198.101.4.0/22 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.136.32.0/20 AS19329 MCNET - Martin County Board of County Commissioners 198.144.32.0/19 AS3998 CITY-NET - CityNet, Inc. 198.160.171.0/24 AS7046 UUNET-CUSTOMER - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GROUPTLCOM - GT Group Telecom Services Corp. 198.163.155.0/24 AS684 MBNET-AS - Manitoba Regional Network 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INTERHOP - Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.167.163.0/24 AS15290 ALLST-15290 - Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASKTEL - SaskTel 198.232.133.0/24 AS23075 SKOTOS-AS - Skotos Tech, Inc 199.10.0.0/16 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.60.0.0/20 AS271 BCNET-AS - University of British Columbia 199.96.44.0/23 AS19092 360NETWORKS-US - 360Networks (USA) Inc. 199.96.46.0/24 AS19092 360NETWORKS-US - 360Networks (USA) Inc. 199.114.0.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.128.0/18 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.130.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.134.0/24 AS3541 ITSDN-U4 - DISA/UNRRA 199.114.136.0/24 AS27044 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.138.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 ITSDN-U7 - DISA/UNRRA 199.114.142.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS27033 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.114.156.0/24 AS27034 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.120.32.0/19 AS16582 NEXTLEVELINTERNET - NEXTLEVEL INTERNET, INC. 199.121.0.0/16 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.0.0/18 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.16.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.80.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST-AS - IQuest Internet 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 202.72.240.0/20 AS24320 RAILCOM Mongolian Railway Commercial Center Railcom 202.86.252.0/22 AS9304 HUTCHISON-AS-AP Hutchison Global Communications 202.93.0.0/20 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 202.123.0.0/19 AS23889 MAURITIUS-TELECOM-AS-AP MAURITIUS TELECOM 202.123.2.0/24 AS23889 MAURITIUS-TELECOM-AS-AP MAURITIUS TELECOM 202.123.8.0/22 AS23889 MAURITIUS-TELECOM-AS-AP MAURITIUS TELECOM 202.123.16.0/20 AS23889 MAURITIUS-TELECOM-AS-AP MAURITIUS TELECOM 202.164.224.0/19 AS7599 IPXC-AS-AP IP Exchange 203.32.4.0/23 AS7617 TELEONE-HK TeleTeleOne (HK) Limited 203.62.0.0/17 AS7572 AARNET-ACT-RNO Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.99.0.0/19 AS17746 ORCONINTERNET-NZ-AP Orcon Internet 203.210.69.0/24 AS17536 PRODIGY-AS-AP Prodidgy Telecommunications 204.48.119.0/24 AS29912 CITIZENS-PROPERTY-INSURANCE-CORPORATION - Citizens Property Insurance Corporation 204.154.125.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN - TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.126.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN - TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.127.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN - TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.194.110.0/23 AS30653 EXOBIT - Exobit Networks Inc. 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 ALTERNET-AS - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 206.108.96.0/19 AS577 BACOM - Bell Advanced Communications Inc. 206.128.104.0/21 AS11709 VIC - VIRTUAL INTERACTIVE CENTER 206.167.57.0/24 AS376 RISQ-AS - Reseau Interordinateurs Scientique Quebecois (RISQ) 206.191.64.0/18 AS15290 ALLST-15290 - Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 206.191.96.0/19 AS15290 ALLST-15290 - Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETPA - NuNet Inc 208.138.48.0/20 AS6971 ATG-1 - Advanced Telcom Group, Inc 209.27.51.0/24 AS14132 INTERNETGATEWAY - Internet Gateway Inc. 209.205.69.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.70.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.81.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.82.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.84.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.213.32.0/19 AS10629 INTERPAC - Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.48.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC - Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.49.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC - Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.222.137.0/24 AS27429 TIL - Telesat International Ltd. 209.251.0.0/19 AS11036 SISCOM - SISCOM, Inc 216.37.110.0/23 AS4264 CERNET-ASN-BLOCK - California Education and Research Federation Network 216.96.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 216.145.200.0/21 AS20304 JVLNET - JVLNET Internet Services 216.171.96.0/20 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org swinog(a)swinog.ch

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RE: ARIN, was Re: 72/8 friendly reminder
by Hannigan, Martin 25 Mar '05

25 Mar '05

> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of > Owen DeLong > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:00 AM > To: Edward Lewis > Cc: Andrew Dul; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: ARIN, was Re: 72/8 friendly reminder > > [ snip ] > Right... So, things divide into two categories... Major > Undertakings and > changes to existing policy... Requires policy process. > Easily implemented > obvious wins for everyone (a pingable address within a new block would > be an example here) where the first step should be a polite "Hey ARIN > Staff, can this be done?" If the staff says "Sure...Easy... > look for an > announcement soon.", then my experience has been they tend to get > implemented fairly quickly (I believe this is what I just saw from > Leslie a couple of minutes ago on this very issue). If the staff says > no, they generally provide reasons and suggestions. In this > case, either > the policy process or an alternative solution is probably in order. The problem I see with it not being in policy process is that it means it's not permanent. Personally, I think that this is a great idea, but I don't necessarily agree that it's as easy as pinging a host address in terms of scalability and effectiveness. Outside the policy process, we lose the framework of discussion and consensus. The staff is fantastic. Responsive. Intelligent. Good leadership. But it may not always be that way. These things aren't static. YMMV -M<

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Re: ARIN, was Re: 72/8 friendly reminder
by Andrew Dul 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

>From: Michael.Dillon >Date: Thu Mar 24 11:34:52 2005 > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> The other consequence is that the membership takes on the >> responsibility for ARIN's actions. Not the staff's actions, but >> ARIN's actions. If there is any dysfunction in ARIN, I suspect that >> it lay here. > >Yes, this is what I believe. The ARIN membership is more >passive than I think is healthy for the organization. >Thus, the organization is dysfunctional. I agree, I'd certainly like to see more people actively participate in the process. If nanog folks believe that the ARIN membership is not getting the right stuff done... How do we fix this problem? How do we get more operators involved and active in the RIRs? I think colocating 1 ARIN meeting/per year with Nanog in the fall has been a help. ARIN isn't perfect but it could be a lot worse. In some ways I think the issue you describe is an industry wide problem. There are many different groups (RIRs, ICANN, IETF, Nanogs, etc...) and participating in all of them is a lot of effort, especially when most of us already have full-time jobs. We could of course create a huge beuarcratcy with lots of people to study the issues and make policy, but that hasn't been the way the Internet has developed and is counter to what many operators think is best for the Internet. That also requires money. Is that what people want? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. Andrew (also a member of the ARIN Advisory Council)

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MIT Hosed? (anyone from Ebay or Rogers available)
by Jeffrey I. Schiller 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

Looking for some help... Net 18/8 seems to be unable to reach significant portions of the Internet. I suspect that someone is advertising a bogus route for us. None of the regular looking glasses show any problems though. If anyone from Ebay or Rogers Cable (AS812) is listening, I would really like to know what routes (and AS path) you have for net 18 so I can track this problem down. Please cc any correspondence so jis(a)qyv.net, an e-mail address not serviced through MIT's infrastructure. Thanks. -Jeff -- ============================================================================= Jeffrey I. Schiller MIT Network Manager Information Services and Technology Massachusetts Institute of Technology 77 Massachusetts Avenue Room W92-190 Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 617.253.0161 - Voice jis(a)mit.edu ============================================================================

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"Bandwidth Advisors" - www.bandwidthadvisors.com
by Tim Pozar 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

Just got a call from "Tosten" of a company called "Bandwidth Advisors". They represent themselves as a "Independent Telco & Colo Consultants" (see web page). Seems that they are calling around ISPs and asking them if they have an "agent" program. After talking to him a bit I find out that they will only recommend a company if they are getting a kick-back from the company. Sounds like a company to avoid if one really wants an "Independent Consultant". Tim -- 1978 45th Ave / San Francisco CA 94116 / USA // POTS: +1 415 665 3790 GPG Fingerprint: 4821 CFDA 06E7 49F3 BF05 3F02 11E3 390F 8338 5B04 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

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FW: [IP] a briefing at the National Academies
by Irwin Lazar 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

FYI: ------ Forwarded Message From: "Brownstein, Charles" <CBrownstein(a)nas.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:05:58 -0500 To: <dave(a)farber.net> Subject: can you assist in announcing this To interested IP'ers The Computer Science and Telecommunications Board of the National Academies invites you to a briefing at the National Academies on Thursday, March 31, 2005 to present the findings of a recently completed study: "Signposts in Cyberspace: the Domain Name System and Internet Navigation." This study examines the performance and prospects of the Domain Name System from both technical and institutional perspectives, and also looks at how navigation technologies and institutions facilitate finding and accessing Internet resources. The DNS and Internet navigation serve as the public "face" to most users of the Internet. Their workings, and the workings of the myriad technical systems and institutional arrangements that make them possible, shape the value of the Internet in important ways. Sound public policy about them is thus critical to sustaining the utility and accessibility of this increasingly essential resource. "Signposts in Cyberspace" both describes the evolution of the technologies and institutions that have supported the growth of the Internet and provides the basis for future decisions that will enable its productive evolution. Leading the discussion will be Dr. Roger Levien, Chair of the multi-disciplinary study committee that produced the report. He will be joined by members of the committee. The briefing will be from 11 am to 12 pm. Date: Thursday, March 31, 2004 Time: 11 AM Place: The National Academies 2100 C St. NW Washington DC Lecture Room Information about the study may be found at < http://www7.nationalacademies.org/cstb/project_dns.html>. A preprint of the report will be posted and linked to this site by the time of meeting. To confirm your place at this event, please respond by email to: (mhuynh(a)nas.edu) with DNS RSVP in the subject field, or by telephone (202-334-2605) by Monday, March 28th. We hope that you will be able to join us. Charles N. Brownstein, Director Computer Science and Telecommunications Board The National Academies 500 5th St NW, Washington DC 20001 202 334 2605 cbrownstein(a)nas.edu cstb.org -where the nation turns for independent and informed assessments of computing, communications, and public policy ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as ILazar(a)burtongroup.com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/

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Re: Utah governor signs Net-porn bill
by David Barak 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

--- William Allen Simpson <wsimpson(a)greendragon.com> wrote: > I'm assuming that you really operate an ISP in Utah. > And that you are > willing to spend some time in jail at various times, > have $10,000 or so > for bail, and a few $100,000 for attorney fees -- > none of which you'll > get back even should you win. wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to simply get a lawyer and an engineer in the same room and brainstorm until you came up with something which pretty-much-worked(tm) and was at least arguably compliant with the law? There have been a couple of ideas bandied about on this list which are arguably compliant and technically simple. > > I've spent time in jail on principle. I'm glad to > see others are still > willing to stand up and be counted! This isn't a principle for which I'd gladly go to jail. All I'm saying is that it isn't the doom&gloom you're portraying - Utah politicians being difficult doesn't mean the end of free speech forever. Why not wait and see what happens? -David Barak need Geek-rock? Try The Franchise! http://www.listentothefranchise.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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FW: 72/8 friendly reminder
by Member Services 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

ARIN supports the idea of doing reachability testing on new /8 blocks issued by the IANA and will begin to set a plan in motion to move forward on this. Once more details have been worked out, we will notify the community. Regards, Leslie Nobile Director, Registration Services American Registry for Internet Numbers -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Randy Bush Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:51 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: 72/8 friendly reminder >> We were recently assigned a 72.244/16 allocation from ARIN. Friendly >> reminder that ARIN started allocating 72/8 since Aug. If you have a >> static bogon filters, can you please make sure they are updated. >> Thank > if you are really worried about this, and i can understand your being > so, then make it easy for the busy folk here (not those pontificating > on law and morals in the rocky mountains) to test. > give us an address we can ping. a bit more coffee made me realize that what might best occur would be for the rir, some weeks BEFORE assigning from a new block issued by the iana, put up a pingable for that space and announce it on the lists so we can all test BEFORE someone uses space from that block. randy

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