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IAB and "private" numbering
by Tony Tauber 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Hi Dave, In response to your request for more interaction w/the IAB, here's a peeve I've been developing lately and perhaps this outlet might be appropriate for it. There are some resources, like IP addresses and AS numbers, the proper operation of which hinges on their uniqueness. Generally, people seem to understand that it's only their uniqueness within a domain that is required; however, there is no telling when domains which may not be connected may become so in the future. RFC1918 has definitely caused problems for me personally many times and I feel certain the experience is far from rare. I'm not saying that reserved numbers for private uses aren't needed. There are still labs and other example configurations where they might be of use. RFC1918 might seem to alleviate some operational problems but it certainly creates many others. The registries (including IANA as their root) should provide just that, a place to register the use of number resources to avoid collisions. I'm thinking that "private" number spaces should probably be used advisedly if not deprecated outright. I could add more detail if desired for the sake of clarity. I'd like to see some acknowledgement that there are legitimate uses of number resources that don't include "the public Internet". IAB should perhaps claim to the Architecture of "TCP/IP protocol technology" or however it would be best construed to convey that these technologies are used outside "the [public] Internet" and that their integrity and viability needs to be protected broadly. Does this concern make sense? Does this course of action make sense? Is there a(nother) better venue than the IAB? What do people think? Tony ps. My goal is not to inflame, merely to discuss and educate.

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RE: Issue AS and Subnet Announcment on BGP - Conflict with a major TelCO - 30h+ of route flapping unresolved
by Geoff Huston 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Normally I'm rather loathe to send urls around - but in this case you may find this APNIC work directly relevant to what you are asking for: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-address-… I also did some work a year or so back on the differences between announced vs allocated prefixes. http://www.potaroo.net/presentations/2004-05-01-allocation-vs-announcement.… At the time (May 2004) it appeared that the message was getting through and the fragmentation of allocations was decreasing. I have not re-reun the scripts recently to confirm if this is wtill the case. regards, Geoff At 05:06 AM 17/11/2005, Bora Akyol wrote: >Maybe they should? > >Or at least provide a database that is signed so that people can check >what is getting announced vs what was really allocated at least off >line. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of >Charles Gucker >Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:06 PM >To: Alain Hebert >Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: Issue AS and Subnet Announcment on BGP - Conflict with a >major TelCO - 30h+ of route flapping unresolved > ><snip> >..... > > > ARIN will not step in here. They allocate resources, they do >not police or enforce those resources. > >charles

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the future of the net
by Randy Bush 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8673

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Re: the future of the net
by Robert Mathews 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Bubba Parker wrote: > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:33:17 -0600 > From: Bubba Parker <sysadmin(a)citynetwireless.net> > To: bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com > Cc: Gordon Cook <cook(a)cookreport.com>, Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com>, > nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: the future of the net > > > Seems to be back up now. > > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 03:17:45AM +0000, bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > > > and it still is in mine!!!! the print edition doesn't have > > clickable links, but is also a fine resource. > > > > --bill The URL http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8673 now leads to the following message: "Linux Journal Is Currently Unavailable Due to a Denial of Service (DoS) Attack Sorry for any inconvenience." That's intriguing ...

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RE: [NANOG]Cogent issues
by Lyons, Myke 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

.myke lyons > -----Original Message----- > From: David J. Coulson [mailto:david@n2net.net] > Sent: 17 November 2005 15:54 > To: M. Aelmans | Synssans B.V. > Cc: Lyons, Myke; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: [NANOG]Cogent issues > > M. Aelmans | Synssans B.V. wrote: > > I see very high latency to Cogent London. > > My mtr to cogentco.com dies in Boston, and I'm a Cogent customer. > > David > > -- > David J. Coulson e-mail: david(a)n2net.net > Operations Manager direct: (216) 920-3026 > office: (216) 619-2000 > N2Net, A New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company Cogent has confirmed that a Fiber line was cut in the South eastern part of the US and they do not have an ETA at this time. http://status.cogentco.com .myke lyons

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[NANOG]Cogent issues
by Lyons, Myke 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

For the past hour or so a number of sites that I have with Cogent have been unreachable. Also, I am unable to get through to their support line. Is anyone else seeing this? .myke lyons

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Re: Cogent Issues
by Ryan A. Krenzischek 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

I'm going to try this again. It seems like my messages are not going through. Regards, Ryan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:04:29 -0500 (EST) To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Cogent Issues... (Update) Cogent is experiencing 2 fiber cuts in the north/southeast-US. The locations are: Between Houston and Tampa (Southeast) Ticket #347277 Between Philidelpha and DC (Northeast) Ticket #347375 Customers traversing cogent's network will experience latency and packet loss. You can check the status of the ticket by going to http://status.cogentco.com. Regards, Ryan

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Re: the future of the net
by Jon Lewis 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

> The URL > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8673 > > now leads to the following message: > > "Linux Journal Is Currently Unavailable Due to a Denial of Service (DoS) > Attack Sorry for any inconvenience." > > That's intriguing ... Most likely incorrect too. They've been /.'d...not just nanog'd. They've apparently mistaken the spike in load for a DoS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis | I route Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are Atlantic Net | _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________

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RE: [NANOG]Cogent issues
by Lyons, Myke 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of > Brian Kerr > Sent: 17 November 2005 16:00 > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: [NANOG]Cogent issues > > > On 11/17/05, Eric Gauthier <eric(a)roxanne.org> wrote: > > > > Heya, > > > > > Just to make analysis easier: Which prefixes should be missing? > > There seem to be larger problems, > > http://www.cogent.com returns: > > Error 404 Not found > > The host name in the URL you have requested "www.cogent.com" does not > match any virtual server currently running. This maybe because you > entered the host name incorrectly, or that the necessary server alias > has not been setup. > > Powered by Zeus Web Server > > > > A whois cogent.com returns: > > Registrant: > Cogent Investment Operations Limited > 55 Moorgate > London EC2R 6PA > UK > > Domain Name: COGENT.COM > > Administrative Contact: > MOITRIER, Regis i_names(a)bnpparibas.com > BNP PARIBAS > 10 Harewood Avenue > 4 R 240 > London NW1 6AA > UK > +44 207 595 6777 fax: +44-207-595-5090 > > Technical Contact: > BNP PARIBAS inetgsupport(a)bnpparibas.com > 10 Harewood Avenue - David Gardner 4R305 > London NW1 6AA > UK > +44 207 595 2000 fax: 123 123 1234 > > Record expires on 11-Apr-2012. > Record created on 11-Apr-1999. > Database last updated on 17-Nov-2005 10:57:46 EST. > > Domain servers in listed order: > > NS1.BNPPARIBAS.COM 155.140.125.131 > NS3.DOMIVESTA.NET 159.50.101.80 > NS2.BNPPARIBAS.COM 155.140.125.121 > NS4.DOMIVESTA.COM 159.50.203.80 > > -Brian I believe their website is www.cogentco.com This was up as of 15:45 GMT

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Cogent Issues... (Update)
by Ryan A. Krenzischek 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Cogent is experiencing 2 fiber cuts in the north/southeast-US. The locations are: Between Houston and Tampa (Southeast) Ticket #347277 Between Philidelpha and DC (Northeast) Ticket #347375 Customers traversing cogent's network will experience latency and packet loss. You can check the status of the ticket by going to http://status.cogentco.com. Regards, Ryan

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