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Re: IPv6 news
by JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 13 Oct '05

13 Oct '05

Hi Geoff, Sorry, I think replied the wrong email, I was referring to the comment about the reclaim of unused space, I'm sure was in the last APNIC, but I'm starting to doubt if you said it or somebody else ... One more comment on this thread is regarding the usage of private addresses for managing networks, such as cable modems. I've understood that at least one big ISP in Japan and another in US run into troubles because net 10/8 become short for them. At least the Japanese one got a public /8 to renumber the network, and I guess this will start to happen more often. Regards, Jordi > De: Geoff Huston <cide-report(a)potaroo.net> > Responder a: <cide-report(a)potaroo.net> > Fecha: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:52:48 +1000 > Para: <jordi.palet(a)consulintel.es>, "nanog(a)merit.edu" <nanog(a)merit.edu> > Asunto: Re: IPv6 news > > Jordi, > > I don't think I've ever said how long a time IPv4 trading would continue > to undertake a viable form of distribution following the exhaustion of the > unallocated IP number pool. Yes I am guilty of some speculation about > what happens post unallocated exhaustion, and the latest set of > speculative questions was at this week's RIPE 51 meeting > (http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51/presentations/pdf/ripe51-ipv4-lif… > ime-rev.pdf) > > (Look at the end of the presentation for some speculative thoughts > on this topic.) > > regards, > > Geoff > > At 09:41 AM 13/10/2005, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > >> I don't think so ... I recall Geoff Huston in the last APNIC indicated that >> this kind of actions are only going to provide a few additional time. >> >> I think the BoF should be more in the direction of "why not doing already >> IPv6 (from the perspective of the ISPs) ?". >> >> Delaying the inevitable don't seems the best approach to me, instead, >> preparing everything ahead of time, reduce the cost, which in any case is >> not significant. >> >> Regards, >> Jordi >> >> >> >> >>> De: Daniel Golding <dgolding(a)burtongroup.com> >>> Responder a: <owner-nanog(a)merit.edu> >>> Fecha: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:20:31 -0400 >>> Para: Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com>, "Steven M. Bellovin" >> <smb(a)cs.columbia.edu> >>> CC: <nanog(a)nanog.org> >>> Conversación: IPv6 news >>> Asunto: Re: IPv6 news >>> >>> >>> On 10/12/05 3:13 PM, "Randy Bush" <randy(a)psg.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> geoff's predictions for a very lively market in v4 space will >>>> seriously come into play. >>> >>> Maybe its time to have a serious talk about IPv4 commodity trading schemes. >>> Anyone interested in this enough to have a BOF at ARIN/NANOG? >>> >>> This could extend the lifetime of the IPv4 space significantly by promoting >>> efficient use through economic incentives, provide positive economic >>> incentives to move to v6 when needed, and eliminate the grey market. >>> >>> Proper controls could be put into place to prevent de-aggregation through >>> utilization of the RIRs as clearing houses. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> randy >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************ >> The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org >> >> Barcelona 2005 Global IPv6 Summit >> Information available at: >> http://www.ipv6-es.com >> >> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or >> confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the >> individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware >> that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this >> information, including attached files, is prohibited. > > ************************************ The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Barcelona 2005 Global IPv6 Summit Information available at: http://www.ipv6-es.com This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited.

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Fwd: The Root has got an A record
by Peter Dambier 12 Oct '05

12 Oct '05

See with your own eyes: ; <<>> DiG 9.1.3 <<>> -t any . @a.public-root.net ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 18588 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 15, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: . 172800 IN SOA a.public-root.net. hostmaster.public-root.net.\ 2005101006 43200 3600 1209600 14400 . 172800 IN A 57.67.193.188 . 172800 IN NS k.public-root.net. . ... . 172800 IN NS j.public-root.net. ;; Query time: 81 msec ;; SERVER: 205.189.71.2#53(a.public-root.net) ;; WHEN: Mon Oct 10 16:01:11 2005 -------- Original Message -------- Return-Path: <pr-plan-bounces(a)LAIR.LIONPOST.NET> X-Flags: 0000 Delivered-To: GMX delivery to peter(a)peter-dambier.de Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Oct 2005 13:07:54 -0000 Received: from LAIR.LIONPOST.NET (EHLO LAIR.LIONPOST.NET) [199.5.157.32] by mx0.gmx.net (mx072) with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 15:07:54 +0200 Received: from list.public-root.com ([199.5.157.32]) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1EOx3o-0000ny-HQ for peter(a)peter-dambier.de; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:47:20 -0400 Received: from [206.254.45.93] (helo=ruby.cynikal.net ident=qmremote) by LAIR.LIONPOST.NET with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1EOx3n-0000nt-5J for pr-plan(a)lair.lionpost.net; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:47:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 9881 invoked by uid 1018); 10 Oct 2005 13:10:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs(a)127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Oct 2005 13:10:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:10:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Baptista <baptista(a)cynikal.net> To: pr-plan(a)lair.lionpost.net Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0510100907100.9809(a)ruby.cynikal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Pr-plan] BAD NEWS Re: IASON Root Domain Observatory (fwd) X-BeenThere: pr-plan(a)LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: <pr-plan.LAIR.LIONPOST.NET> List-Unsubscribe: <http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan>, <mailto:pr-plan-request@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/pipermail/pr-plan> List-Post: <mailto:pr-plan@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET> List-Help: <mailto:pr-plan-request@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan>, <mailto:pr-plan-request@LAIR.LIONPOST.NET?subject=subscribe> Sender: pr-plan-bounces(a)LAIR.LIONPOST.NET Errors-To: pr-plan-bounces(a)LAIR.LIONPOST.NET X-GMX-Antivirus: 0 (no virus found) X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam) X-GMX-UID: /QI4Y8R1eSEkOtTJ43QhaXN1IGRvb4Di Folks - got some bad news. The Public-Root has aquired an A record - yup thats right - an A record. Which see below. Have tried to contact Paul Scheepers - our absent minded root operator - who now hovers very close to criminal conspiracy - to get him to fix this mistake. Noone is at home at the inn. Not good. See appened message to Peter Dambier and our public-root associates. I have no idea how a root will respond with an A record in it. Should be interesting - but have no doubt a few things out in the wild have been broken. regards joe ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:03:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Baptista <baptista(a)cynikal.net> To: Peter Dambier <peter(a)echnaton.serveftp.com> Cc: martijnburger(a)dataweb.nl, cytrax(a)cyberbunker.com, marty.vanveluw(a)nbaserv.com Subject: Re: IASON Root Domain Observatory Report this to NANOG and the IETF. Make sure you send them a copy of my response and the headers of this message. I am holding UNIDT personally responsible for this technical nightmare. regards joe On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Peter Dambier wrote: > Kewl, '.' has got an A record :) > > ; <<>> DiG 9.1.3 <<>> @a.public-root.net . axfr > ;; global options: printcmd > . 172800 IN SOA a.public-root.net. hostmaster.public-root.net. 2005100906 43200 3600 1209600 14400 > . 172800 IN A 57.67.193.188 > . 172800 IN NS a.public-root.net. Joe Baptista, Official Public-Root Representative and Lobbyist to the United States Congress and Senate / Tel: +1 (202) 517-1593 Public-Root Disclosure Documents: http://www.cynikal.net/~baptista/P-R/ Public-Root Discussion Forum: http://lair.lionpost.net/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan _______________________________________________ Pr-plan mailing list Pr-plan(a)LAIR.LIONPOST.NET http://LAIR.LIONPOST.NET/mailman/listinfo/pr-plan -- Peter and Karin Dambier Public-Root Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49-6252-671788 (Telekom) +49-179-108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49-6252-750308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) +1-360-448-1275 (VoIP: freeworldialup.com) mail: peter(a)peter-dambier.de http://iason.site.voila.fr http://www.kokoom.com/iason

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whois.register.com - exceeded maximum number of queries?
by Erik Sundberg 12 Oct '05

12 Oct '05

Any reason why the whois.register.com would say "You have exceeded your maximum number of queries.". Tried it from 3 differnet boxes that have 3 differnent public ip address. Tried the web gui too and I get the same lookup error. This looks specific to whois.register.com. Is anyone else seeing the same thing???? Thanks Erik root@box ~]#dig taylormaderealtor.com [Querying whois.internic.net] [Redirected to whois.register.com] [Querying whois.register.com] [whois.register.com] The data in Register.com's WHOIS database is provided to you by Register.com for information purposes only, that is, to assist you in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. Register.com makes this information available "as is," and does not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this data to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via direct mail, electronic mail, or by telephone; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to Register.com (or its systems). The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or other use of this data is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Register.com. Register.com reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by these terms. You have exceeded your maximum number of queries. Register your domain name at http://www.register.com

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RE: whois.register.com - exceeded maximum number of queries?
by Erik Sundberg 12 Oct '05

12 Oct '05

Noop, Still broke if i specify the whois.register.com as the host. Thanks Erik [root@box ~]#whois -h whois.register.com taylormaderealtor.com [Querying whois.register.com] [whois.register.com] The data in Register.com's WHOIS database is provided to you by Register.com for information purposes only, that is, to assist you in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. Register.com makes this information available "as is," and does not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this data to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via direct mail, electronic mail, or by telephone; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to Register.com (or its systems). The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or other use of this data is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Register.com. Register.com reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by these terms. You have exceeded your maximum number of queries. Register your domain name at http://www.register.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Erik Sundberg sunder(a)appscorp.net Network Engineer Apps Communications 10470 West 164th Place Orland Park, IL 60467 http://www.appscorp.net Phone: 708.403.9200 x228 Fax: 708.873.1310 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > -----Original Message----- > From: Rus Foster [mailto:rghf@fsck.me.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 5:15 PM > To: Erik Sundberg > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: whois.register.com - exceeded maximum number of queries? > > > > Any reason why the whois.register.com would say "You have exceeded your > > maximum number of queries.". Tried it from 3 differnet boxes > that have 3 > > differnent public ip address. Tried the web gui too and I get the same > > lookup error. This looks specific to whois.register.com. > > > > Is anyone else seeing the same thing???? > > > > Thanks > > > > Erik > > > > root@box ~]#dig taylormaderealtor.com > > > > [Querying whois.internic.net] > > [Redirected to whois.register.com] > > [Querying whois.register.com] > > [whois.register.com] > > > > I'm seeing the same. All I can think of is the whois.register.com is > counting the referreals from whois.internic.net and not the end user. You > could try quering whois.register.com directly > > Rus > > -- > e: rghf(a)vaserv.com : t: 01635 281120 | google: vaserv(a)gmail.com > Unix Admin work from £15/hour or $25/hour > http://www.a2b2.com - UK and US Dedicated and Virtual servers > http://www.instantblog.net - Does exactly what it says on the name > > >

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Re: VPLS Experience
by danazster 12 Oct '05

12 Oct '05

On 10/12/05, Mohacsi Janos <mohacsi(a)niif.hu> wrote: > On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, danazster wrote: > > I keep hearing that VPLS is a Good Thing. > > It would be if it would be supported and would be compatible. > - There are different vendor implementations: LDP oriented or BGP > oriented. And there is some movement to be RADIUS oriented also. The RADIUS rfc expired long ago. It looks only like a BGP/LDP discussion now, and I would really like to hear of any impact this has on performance between the two, eg does LDP converge similarly, or paths disappear faster?? Are there any practical differences between the two people have seen? > - Some vendors are supporting only in certain HW and line-card > combinations. > > So if you dive into VPLS you might expect lots of debug and "blood and > sweat" and fights with your vendor.... So what else is new? Sounds like life as we know it. I can list GE/SDH/Sonet combos that don't work on certain line cards and chassis, OS revs. Has been the case for years. Basically I don't want to get into a vendor debate so won't comment on which vendor/s this applies to. I really want to hear about what people are actually doing. > > Indeed for certain design models it seems to offer some real > > advantages. There doesn't seem to be anywhere near the level of > > stability concern that we saw when MPLS first came out - there was a > > really strong negative about MPLS in 1999 at nanog, behind the scenes > > anyway. [1] > > > > Has anyone got any good deployment or lab test experience they can share? > > > > Obviously comment on debug tools, operating models etc would be cool. > > > > Basically I am hearing a bit of FUD about jumbo frames, dDOS and > > multicast, but they look like design problems to me. > > They started to work on multicast support: VPLS currently does not support > efficient multicasting True, the requirements specs are in draft form now, but multicast works better from what I can see in VPLS than it does in MPLS. The theoretical issue is that PEs potentially relay multicast to ports not part of the VPN is this true? Surely you can configure that out with filters on the edge? danazster

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VPLS Experience
by danazster 12 Oct '05

12 Oct '05

I keep hearing that VPLS is a Good Thing. Indeed for certain design models it seems to offer some real advantages. There doesn't seem to be anywhere near the level of stability concern that we saw when MPLS first came out - there was a really strong negative about MPLS in 1999 at nanog, behind the scenes anyway. [1] Has anyone got any good deployment or lab test experience they can share? Obviously comment on debug tools, operating models etc would be cool. Basically I am hearing a bit of FUD about jumbo frames, dDOS and multicast, but they look like design problems to me. Has anyone got any backbone or converged network experience they can share? Off or on list is fine ta nazster [1] and they were right *then* weren't they but that's ANOTHER thread

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RE: SNMP "Accounting" Software
by Chad Skidmore 11 Oct '05

11 Oct '05

It uses the 2nd (monthly) method you describe and gives you a 95th percentile number for both inbound and outbound. You can then use both or one of them. Also, as I mentioned, you can write your own reports using anything that can query MySQL. I've done Crystal Reports and some C# .Net reporting off of RTG data with great success. Chad -----Original Message----- From: Martin Mersberger [mailto:martin@mersberger.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:43 PM To: Chad Skidmore Cc: Drew Weaver; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: SNMP "Accounting" Software On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 09:53:48AM -0700, Chad Skidmore wrote: Hi... > Check out RTG. It has 95th percentile reporting and if you don't like > the included reporting format you are free to build your own. > Data is retained in a SQL db so it is easy enough to report on. from the documentation, this looks interesting. Does anybody know, which 95%ile is implemented? I know at least about 6 95%ile favors around. Does anybody know, which of them are mostly used? the two variants, I have in mind are daily 95%ile ( drop the max 5% samples per day for each direction, average on the end of the month for each direction and use the higher value then ) and a monthly 95%ile ( drop the max 5% samples over all samples over the month for both directions, use the higher value then ) cheers Martin

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Another Program Committee change
by Steve Feldman 11 Oct '05

11 Oct '05

As provided in the NANOG charter, Merit Network has one representative on the Program Committee. Susan Harris as been in that role since the adoption of the charter, and has been an integral part of the PC for a long time prior to that. Susan is stepping down from her PC membership role, and Merit has designated Bert Rossi as their new representative. Susan will continue working with the PC in her administrative and support role, including the tasks of collecting and organizing submissions, communicating with speakers, and drafting the agenda, calls for presentations, and other documents. And perhaps most important, she will continue keeping me and the rest of the PC focused and on schedule. She will also continue to be active in other ways with the NANOG community, including acting as Merit's representative on the mailing list committee. Bert Rossi is a Senior Network Engineer with Michnet, the statewide high-speed research and education network operated in Michigan by Merit. On behalf of the Program Committee I, would like to express heartfelt thanks to Susan, and welcome to Bert. Steve Feldman, PC chair

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NANOG Program Committee announcement
by Steve Feldman 11 Oct '05

11 Oct '05

On behalf of the NANOG Steering Committee, we are pleased to announce that the eight new members of the NANOG Program Committee are: Dan Golding Joel Jaeggli Ren Provo Jennifer Rexford Josh Snowhorn Pete Templin Todd Underwood Vish Yelsangikar They will be joining the eight returning members from the current Program Committee: Joe Abley Kevin Epperson Steve Feldman Hank Kilmer Christopher Morrow David O'Leary Ted Seely Bill Woodcock With so many well-qualified new candidates and current PC members, this was an extraordinarily difficult decision process, but in the end we believe we have come up with a solid, diverse panel which represents most of the NANOG constituency, and has the ability to recruit and select talks from a wide pool. The selection process is documented in detail at http://www.nanog.org/pc.selection.05.html Please join us in thanking everyone who participated as a candidate. All of them are valuable members of the NANOG community, and we look forward to their continuing contributions. We would also like to thank the outgoing PC members: Bill Norton Elise Gerich Susan Hares Craig Labovitz Bill Manning Dave Meyer Stephen Stuart Rob Thomas for their hard work and invaluable contribution to the community. For the Steering Committee, Randy Bush, SC chair Steve Feldman, PC chair

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Re: Problems
by Richard A Steenbergen 11 Oct '05

11 Oct '05

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 04:38:14PM -0400, liz fazekas wrote: > hey y'all: > Good desktop staple: > http://loadrunner.uits.iu.edu/weathermaps/abilene/abilene.html Don't know if I would go that far, seeing as there is no useful content there. Honestly, the sooner that I2 folks realize that they are neither the center of the Internet, nor even a particularly large customer of just one commercial carrier, the better off they will be when they have to deal with the real world. :) Interestingly, this is the only thing I could find on the subject: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/5083804/detail.html I haven't found anyone other than Qwest and GX (who share a common build here) affected so far, but there hasn't really been much discussion on the subject. While this is certainly a decemt amount of impact, I don't think anyone with a decently built network is suffering unduely (this is why there are southern paths :P). Last report I heard on the subject a couple of hours ago was that Qwest had not begun splicing but is standing by to do so as soon as the scene is cleared. -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras(a)e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)

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