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Oct. NANOG - hotel? At the two month marker now.
by ren 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

Hi folks, Could someone with the hotel location data for the 17-19 Oct NANOG please email me? 'Reston, VA' got rejected as not specific enough for the travel authorization. http://www.nanog.org/ & http://www.arin.net/ only list Reston, VA. Thanks, -ren

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Re: OT: Politics
by list-nanog＠dragon.net 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

gking> Quick show of hands, of the American citizens in here (of legal gking> voting age), how many of you will be going to the polls to cast a gking> vote for president this November? And which candidate are you gking> voting for? Mail me in private and I'll summarize the results on gking> the list. lou> Can we send this information through an anonymizer, or do we have lou> to trust Gmail to not scan the E-mail and correlate the opinion lou> with our E-mail address? Please don't feed the troll... Can't we talk about spam or verisign or something else more likely to be on topic and bring accord than politics?

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OT: Politics
by Gary King 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

Quick show of hands, of the American citizens in here (of legal voting age), how many of you will be going to the polls to cast a vote for president this November? And which candidate are you voting for? Mail me in private and I'll summarize the results on the list.

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RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P
by Dave Hilton 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

To those of "authority", single-point-of-failure equates to "centralized control". With the word control in large neon capital letters. Dave Hilton Staff System Administrator entelos(r) Foster City, CA "Notice: I tend to become apprehensive when my position in the food chain becomes ambiguous." -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Erik Parker Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:07 PM To: Simon Waters Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Surely the big benefits of peer to peer is it takes control way from > the center - which will never go down well in Washington when the big > Digital Publishers are being so successful at pushing through > legislation via WIPO etc. If they want to start back pedaling, perhaps we should switch to a star physical topology instead of mesh.. put the center of the star dead center in Washington where they can baby sit, run a petabit Carnivore system on it, and let corporations with enough money have their weight put on how things are run. After all.. it is bad design typically to use a star topology for physical networks.. because of one huge single point of failure.. P2P is the ultimate mesh protocol to run on the global mesh network. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFBNMx1xBpDNCKu9WMRAmf6AJsEH1HL7++I5i8nvR4XaP1IlExqQwCgj8wJ C188jcskO0knEdC/YD/KZUk= =lgiU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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DNS Weather Report 2004-08-31
by Daniel Roesen 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

[re-sent to NANOG alone... obviously Merit is filtering crossposts selectively, so neither last weeks report, nor this one got through] DNS WEATHER REPORT for selected infrastructure zones ==================================================== Issue 2004-08-31 Zones analyzed and their SOA contacts: - . - arpa. nstld(a)verisign-grs.com - int. noc(a)icann.org - in-addr.arpa bind(a)arin.net - ip6.arpa. hostmaster(a)icann.org - ip6.int. hostmaster(a)ep.net [Operators: please let me know wether you do want a copy when there's no problem with your zone(s) or not. Don't want to annoy anyone unnecessarily!] Executive summary: * m.root out-of-sync problem got fixed within one hour after I've sent out report 2004-08-24. Thanks WIDE! * The INT problem with the non-matching NS RRset (in-zone and delegation) was also fixed. Unfortunately ns.isi.edu is _still_ out of sync. * The IP6.ARPA NS RRset discrepancy got worse over the last week. * ns.isi.edu is _still_ auth for IP6.INT where it shouldn't be. The state of the root zone =========================== fine! The state of the ARPA zone ========================== fine! The state of the INT zone ========================= - ns.isi.edu is not in sync with the other nameservers Current SOA serial of the INT TLD: 2004082300, ns.isi.edu has still 2002080104 and is publishing stale data (e.g. an old NS RRset for the zone). Problem exists since at least 2004-08-24 The state of the IN-ADDR.ARPA zone ================================== fine! The state of the IP6.ARPA zone ============================== - in-zone NS RRset doesn't match the delegation NS RRset. in-zone RRset: delegation RRset: ---------------- ----------------- ns.apnic.net. ns.apnic.net. ns.icann.org. ns.icann.org. ns-sec.ripe.net. ns.ripe.net. tinnie.arin.net. tinnie.arin.net. ns.lacnic.net. Problem known, RIPE sent a reminder to ip6.arpa operators two weeks ago, obviously without any outcome. Since the last DNS weather report last week, ns.lacnic.net. was added. Looks like now at least two change requests for the ip6.arpa delegation are pending. Problem exists since in various degrees since at least 2004-08-24 The state of the IP6.INT zone ============================= - ns.isi.edu (one of the INT TLD servers) feels authoritative for the IP6.INT zone, but is neither listed in the delegation NS RRset, nor in the in-zone NS RRset of IP6.INT. Luckily, ns.isi.edu carries ip6.int with the same SOA serial as the official servers, so induces no operational problems so far. Problem exists since at least 2004-08-24 Regards, Daniel

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Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P
by Simon Waters 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Surely the big benefits of peer to peer is it takes control way from the center - which will never go down well in Washington when the big Digital Publishers are being so successful at pushing through legislation via WIPO etc. The truely novel P2P systems are only just appearing, but already networks like freenet are largely immune to the slashdot type effect, although last time I tried it, it would self destruct at now and then for no obvious reason. I don't think the politicians will like things like freenet when they finally understand what it is intended to do, but I'm still explaining bits of it to geeks so they are safe for a bit. Chess over freenet was working last time I tried it, but winning against a truely anonymous opponent is less rewarding that beating someone you know, if only vaguely. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: Using GnuPG with Debian - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBNLF1GFXfHI9FVgYRAvb9AJwMjBTJKkREMlqE1we5h5OF/veuPACeMHeC tgS4LwbP9+DDlJIAYHeW0hQ= =1hk1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: optics pricing (Re: Weird GigE Media Converter Behavior)
by Michel Py 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

> Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > If the VSR card was $899k, the SR card was $999k and the LR > card was $1099 you wouldn't hear any complaints from me. That's even worse than the current prices! Given that the VSR is currently 330k, the SR could be 450k and the IR 500k. > It's the fact that Cisco is reselling optics (which > is not their core business as far as I see it) at a > huge markup that is bothering me. Grow up; when you buy a Saab "brand" part or option for a Saab car, it costs twice as much as the same aftermarket part, which still is twice as much as what you could get if you bought a box of 10 directly from the manufacturer, which is twice as much as it costs them to manufacture overseas. Everyone does that. Besides, there's nothing new about Cisco doing it, they've always have. DRAM and Flash is not their core business either, and they have sold both for 20 times the street price just because they built a proprietary connector. Then some smart @55 at Kingston and Viking figured out if Micron could manufacture the Cisco part so could they and that there was tons of money to make and they begun to sell memory for "only" twice as much as it could be, which in turn caused Cisco memory to drop to "only" 4 times the price of regular. Economics 101. Cisco (and many other vendors, BTW) are not charities. Their purpose is to make investors and shareholders (which includes me) happy. And yes, this includes reselling OEM hardware at astronomical prices when they can, because it never lasts long. Michel.

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RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P
by Michel Py 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

> Matthew McGehrin wrote: > Tell her to kiss my white ass. Be careful what you wish for. This is exactly what politicians do for a living, and some happen to have a strong enough tongue to rip you a new one. Michel.

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BGP Homing Question
by Rick Lowery 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

If someone owns their own /20 which they received from Arin back in the day and they want to subnet and use part of it (/24) in Europe. Would their be any problems if the wanted to advertise the North American issued space from a European AS? I know they would not be good Internet citizen, but if they needed to do this for a temp basis does anyone see an issue? Thanks, Rick

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Re: FBI bust DDoS 'Mafia'
by John Obi 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

It's not not OT, or about politics. It's not about they are guilty or not since I Don't care. It's about that "the FBI finally cares, and will bust the script kiddies." This will scare them and will decrease the DDoS attacks from now and on. So ISPs and NSPs should work more with FBI and such parties to decrease the DDoS. Thanks, -J --- "J.A. Terranson" <measl(a)mfn.org> wrote: > > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, Ricardo "Rick" Gonzalez wrote: > > > > No comments, check the url > > > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/27/ddos_mafia_busted/ > > > > > > I'm happy some of these criminals sent to jail! > > > > You know, here in America, we have this concept > called "innocent until > > proven guilty". What country are you from? > > I note for the record that this concept is only held > to be accurate when > applied to politicians or their financiers. The > rest of us are guilty > until convicted, after which our obvious guilt was > finally proven in an > "impartial" court. > > -- > Yours, > > J.A. Terranson > sysadmin(a)mfn.org > 0xBD4A95BF __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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