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RE: OK...between 12:00 and 12:10 who
by Brent_OKeeffe＠asc.aon.com 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

We lost a couple DS3's in the DFW area, nothing more than that. Looks like AT&T. "Shazad" <shazad(a)eservers.biz> Sent by: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu 01/29/2004 02:22 PM Please respond to shazad To: <nanog(a)merit.edu> cc: Subject: RE: OK...between 12:00 and 12:10 who Sorry, I tripped over the power cables ;) On a serious note, I didn't notice anything.. Anyone else? Regards, --------------------------- Shazad, COO, CO-FOUNDER COREIX Limited. eServers.biz ________________________________ From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Wesley Vaux Sent: 29 January 2004 19:13 To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: OK...between 12:00 and 12:10 who Which one of you guys took down the world? We have separate carriers for internet, ATM, and Phone and between this time everything blipped at the same time. Anyone else have this type of issue?

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An analysis.
by Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

Two lines of "Operational Traffic" (Not counting the blank line). We have multiple carriers in multiple locations and have not noticed anything. Three lines of signature. Chris Burton Network Engineer Walt Disney Internet Group: Network Services Eight lines annoying and probably pointless disclaimer. The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact Walt Disney Internet Group at 206-664-4000. Thirty, more less, lines of context, of which three or four would be useful if they came early enough in the message to establish context. -----Original Message----- From: Shazad [mailto:shazad@eservers.biz] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:23 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: OK...between 12:00 and 12:10 who Sorry, I tripped over the power cables ;) On a serious note, I didn't notice anything.. Anyone else? Regards, --------------------------- Shazad, COO, CO-FOUNDER COREIX Limited. eServers.biz ________________________________ From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Wesley Vaux Sent: 29 January 2004 19:13 To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: OK...between 12:00 and 12:10 who Which one of you guys took down the world? We have separate carriers for internet, ATM, and Phone and between this time everything blipped at the same time. Anyone else have this type of issue? Fire at will.

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RE: MS is vulnerable
by Michel Py 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

> Jonathan Nichols wrote: > There hasn't been one single Mac virus in several years That's probably why there's a product called Norton Anti-virus for Mac? http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_mac/index.html Michel.

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OK...between 12:00 and 12:10 who
by Wesley Vaux 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

Which one of you guys took down the world? We have separate carriers for internet, ATM, and Phone and between this time everything blipped at the same time. Anyone else have this type of issue?

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RE: OK...between 12:00 and 12:10 who
by Burton, Chris 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

We have multiple carriers in multiple locations and have not noticed anything. Chris Burton Network Engineer Walt Disney Internet Group: Network Services The information contained in this e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact Walt Disney Internet Group at 206-664-4000. -----Original Message----- From: Shazad [mailto:shazad@eservers.biz] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:23 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: OK...between 12:00 and 12:10 who Sorry, I tripped over the power cables ;) On a serious note, I didn't notice anything.. Anyone else? Regards, --------------------------- Shazad, COO, CO-FOUNDER COREIX Limited. eServers.biz ________________________________ From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Wesley Vaux Sent: 29 January 2004 19:13 To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: OK...between 12:00 and 12:10 who Which one of you guys took down the world? We have separate carriers for internet, ATM, and Phone and between this time everything blipped at the same time. Anyone else have this type of issue?

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RE: MS is vulnerable
by Susan Harris 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

Folks, let's move the Mac/PC discussion to more suitable lists. (I can't name 'em, but I'm sure they're out there.) Thanks.

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RE: OK...between 12:00 and 12:10 who
by Shazad 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

Sorry, I tripped over the power cables ;) On a serious note, I didn't notice anything.. Anyone else? Regards, --------------------------- Shazad, COO, CO-FOUNDER COREIX Limited. eServers.biz ________________________________ From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Wesley Vaux Sent: 29 January 2004 19:13 To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: OK...between 12:00 and 12:10 who Which one of you guys took down the world? We have separate carriers for internet, ATM, and Phone and between this time everything blipped at the same time. Anyone else have this type of issue?

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RE: MS is vulnerable
by Michel Py 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

> Jason Lixfeld wrote: > When we got to where we were going, my mom was complaining > that her digital camera flash was full and she didn't have > another one. I told her that I could download the pictures > to my powerbook and email them to her later. As I was > connecting the camera, she asked "Well, don't you need > to download and install the softw...." she stopped > mid-sentence as the Mac found the PowerShot, opened > iphoto and proceeded to download the pictures -- no > software needed. She looked Jealous. If the Powershot was designed as a Mac-only camera, it's Canon's stupidity. I never used one, but when I plug my Sony cybershot to any PC it comes up right away without any software. Since Macs are available in stores, how do you explain that they don't get the lion's share of the market if they're so superior to the PeeCee as you claim? I have had an Apple computer for 25 years (1979 that is, and I still have my II plus). In the early eighties Apple dominated the personal computer market (yes there were TRS-80s and Commodore 64s, but Apple was the leader). Then they released the Apple ///, then the Lisa, then the Mac. At the same time, IBM released the PC, which was an overpriced piece of crud. Guess what: the Wintel platform became standard, over the established leader (Apple). Because IBM and Microsoft managed to produced what the market wanted to buy, instead of what a few gurus in an ivory tower in Cupertino thought what the ultimate PC would be. > When the last big MS virus/worm caused it's major shitstorm, > my mom asked me if I ever get infected with viruses. I said > no, I run a Mac. They are immune to these viruses. Complete BS. There are Mac viruses allright, and the reason these worms target the Windows platform is simply because there are much more of them and therefore an Outlook worm is much more likely to succeed than a Mac worm. If Apple is still around with 3% of the market, it's because Bill Gates bailed them out as he wanted to keep a competitor alive when they were in the feds cross-hairs because of that monopoly thing. I'll tell you what: if you know how to make the Mac the dominant platform, go see Steve Jobs and ask for 100 million bucks in cash in exchange for the tip. And if you're not happy with Windows, you're free to write a competitive product to replace it. That's what Microsoft did to Apple 20 years ago, BTW. It's called market economy. Michel.

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RE: MS is vulnerable
by Michel Py 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

> Martin Hepworth wrote: > Got a colleague who swapped hi twin 1GHZ PC for a 17" > powerbook to do his video editing side business. Guess > wot - the powerbook works much much better than his > w2k based system!! Hmmm maybe you can show me where the Macintosh version for Adobe Premiere Pro is? (Adobe sales pitch: Adobe Premiere Pro software delivers real-time editing tools for professional video production). Michel.

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RE: [Nanog] RE: MS is vulnerable
by Vivien M. 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Remko Lodder [mailto:remko@elvandar.org] > Sent: January 29, 2004 12:43 PM > To: Vivien M.; 'Jason Lixfeld' > Cc: doug(a)nanog.con.com; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: RE: [Nanog] RE: MS is vulnerable > > > It's better to educate your mum how she keeps windows secure. > It can be done, there are a lot of Windows machine in the > wild out there that are actually almost up to date, (everyone > should be that far), I've managed to educate my dad on the critical updates. He's better at it than me, actually - when the little icon shows up in the taskbar, he knows that he's supposed to click on it and do what it tells him to do. Then again, my dad also takes his car to the dealer the day after he gets a recall letter, so perhaps he's just more responsible than many... My mom's, though, tends to have the little icon staying in the tray, unless I'm visiting... but I'm still working on educating her :) Much easier to convince her to click that icon than to make her hand over her American Express for a shiny new iBook, anyways. > let her run antivirus software, update it frequently, learn > her how to handle unknown email, how to handle weird > attachments, delete mails who look suspicious, install a > decent windows firewall that allows you to select what should > be openend and what should be closed (windows own firewall > might be in help her) Antivirus software, these days, updates itself. If you run the home/SOHO Norton line, I believe that was added in the 2002 version - the 2001 reminded you to run LiveUpdate, but you actually had to go through the wizards and stuff each time. No more, now it updates itself and just pops up a little thingy saying it did so. The big problem with "weird attachments" is that they seem to come from a trusted sender. The usual excuse is "but Joe wouldn't send me a virus", and it's very hard to make people understand that some computer out there, not even necessarily Joe's, is sending a virus in Joe's name without Joe knowing about it. At least these days, viruses aren't MS Word documents, which helps... No need for firewalls - I continue to maintain a FreeBSD firewall system at my parents' house, and I trust it a lot more than I'd trust a personal firewall. I'm weary about personal firewalls, though, because sometimes their interface causes problems (and a _properly_ locked down box shouldn't need one): eg, one relative who somehow got Norton's firewall to block outbound IE. Not easy to fix over the phone... Vivien -- Vivien M. vivienm(a)dyndns.org Assistant System Administrator Dynamic Network Services, Inc. http://www.dyndns.org/

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