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SpamConference 2004
by Michael Wiacek 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

Hey everyone, anyone plan on stopping by the 2004 SpamConference at MIT tomorrow? I got into Boston tonight, and man is it cold. Hopefully it will have as good a turnout this year as it did last. mike wiacek.

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Juno.com Mail/Abuse contact?
by Mark Foster 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

Sorry again for the noise folks. Have not been able to get hold of anyone @ juno.com through normal channels. If anyone here is from juno.com Security or Abuse could you please contact me offlist please, with regard to an email delivery issue. Cheers Mark.

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RE: interesting article on Saudi Arabia's http filtering
by H. Michael Smith, Jr. 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

For the record... I have first hand knowledge that KSA's filtering is not too effective. I'll abstain from the ethics/moral discussion. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Vadim Antonov Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:35 PM To: Randy Bush Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: interesting article on Saudi Arabia's http filtering On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Randy Bush wrote: > i was helping get the link up into kacst (their nsf equivalent) in > ryadh back in '94, and a rather grownup friend there, Abdulaziz A. > Al Muammar, who had his phd from the states and all that, explained > it to me something like this way. > > yes, to a westerner, our ways of shielding our society seem silly, > and sometimes even worse. but tell me, how do we liberalize and > open the culture without becoming like the united states [0]? > > not an easy problem. considering the *highly* offensive material > that arrives in my mailbox (and i do not mean clueless nanog > ravings:-), my sympathy for abdulaziz increases monotonically. Installing a whitelisting and challenge-response mail filer on my box reduced amount of spam to nearly zero. I mostly get spam through the e2e list nowadays. The solution to "high offensiveness" is to grow up and stop behaving like the sight of some physiological function is going to kill us. It is offensive only because the offended party thinks that the world should be a sterile place, and instead of concluding that the sender of the "offensive" material is a tasteless moron and moving on decides to wage a war against human nature. > so perhaps we should ask, rather than ranting, how do we, the > self-appointed ubergeeks of the net, think we can clean up our own > back yards, before we start talking about how others maintain > theirs? Maybe we should stop whining when others refuse to accept mail from total unknowns without those unknowns making a small token effort to prove their willingness to hold a civilized conversation? I certainly don't care what they want to read or see. Or send, for that matter. None of my business. > [0] - which, americans need to realize is, to much of the civilized > world, the barbarian hordes, sodom, and gomorrah rolled into > one To much of the civilized world (and, besides Europe and Japan, no other places qualify, sorry) Americans look like neurotic prudes who have a peculiar hang-up on sex and deep inferiority complex compelling them to unceasingly seek affirmations of their "superiority". Much of what goes for "offensive" in US won't get an eyebrow raised in Paris or Amsterdam. In fact, the more likely reaction would be "how boringly lame". As for the arabian friend who seeks to control what his compatriots are allowed to see, I'd say that his sensibilities are his own problem, and that if he wished to impose them on _me_ I'd tell him to mind his own business, possibly augmenting my message with appropriate degree of violence. --vadim

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interesting article on Saudi Arabia's http filtering
by Eric Kuhnke 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/01/12/2147220 RIYADH, Saudi Arabia -- Eyas S. Al-Hejery, PhD, may be the only computer geek in Saudi Arabia to have had the eyes of the world focus on his work. That's because he's head of the country's Internet Service Unit, which runs the country's infamous Web-censoring system that is supposed to defend Saudi citizens from "those pages of an offensive or harmful nature to the society, and which violate the tenants [sic] of the Islamic religion or societal norms." ...... And if he fails, what with the fact that sending all Internet traffic in the whole country through a single chokepoint obviously creates a single point of failure, all Net traffic in Saudi Arabia stops.

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"Third Level" domains patented?
by Scott Call 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

http://news.com.com/2100-1038-5141810.html?tag=nefd_hed According to the article, somebody maanged to patent the selling of www.something.somethng.com. Which seems a bit assanine to me, since the ISP I worked for in 1993 offered custoemrs www.customer.ccnet.com. As much as I dislike Verisign, this is silly. I think I'll file a patent on organic O2/CO2 exchangers, and then sue everyone who breathes.... Break out the prior art.... -Scott -- Scott Call Router Geek, ATGi, home of $6.95 Prime Rib I make the world a better place, I boycott Wal-Mart

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ARIN to allocate from 70.0.0.0/8
by Leslie Nobile 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

Hello- ARIN received the IPv4 address block 70.0.0.0/8 from the IANA on Jan. 15, 2004. In the near future, ARIN will begin making allocations from this new block. This will include allocations of /20 and shorter prefixes, according to ARIN's minimum allocation policy. You may wish to adjust any filters you have in place accordingly. For informational purposes, a list of ARIN's currently administered IP blocks can be found under "CIDR Blocks" at: http://www.arin.net/statistics/index.html Regards, Leslie Nobile Director, Registration Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)

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Uunet/MCI communities
by Ejay Hire 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

Hi all. Can A Uunet/Mci person please unicast me a copy of the communities you can send? I need to do some traffic shifting and I'd like to as-prepend all mci peer routes while leaving the mci customer routes unscathed. Tier 1 support reccomended I contact the DNS group which seems a little odd, but I'm sending the request to them as well. Thanks, Ejay Hire Ejay.Hire(a)isdn.net

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/24s run amuck
by Richard A Steenbergen 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

Ok, I realized I haven't done one of these since 2001, so it's time for an updated list of /24 polluters. With /24s accounting for over 50% (more than 71k) of the announcements on the Internet, it seems reasonable to try and take a look at why there are so many. One of the patterns which quickly becomes evident is the announcing of "almost all" of a larger block, but with enough gaps that traditional scripts which look for CIDR aggregation can miss it. For example, someone who owns a /16 and announces it as 250 /24s might not show up in other CIDR aggregation scripts because of the missing 5 /24s, or if 1 of the /24s has a different AS Path. So, solely for the purpose of looking for this pattern, I have written a script which counts the number of /24s announced within a /16 (an admittedly arbitrary range, but one which happens to work) with a consistant AS Path, and sorts by the highest count. This of course doesn't mean for certain that the netblock listed doesn't have a good reason for their deaggregation, but odds are they don't or could otherwise take steps to limit announcement to the general internet (for example a cable modem provider with 250 individual routes /24s but only a single upstream provider, who could announce a /16 globally and use no-export on the more specifics). This is done from the point of view of a Global Crossing (AS3549) transit feed, so things may look slightly different fromy our corner of the Internet. You have been warned. A summary of the top 250 netblocks by count: http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras/projects/ipaddr/24summary Detailed list of the netblocks and AS Path by count: http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras/projects/ipaddr/24dump A sorted list of the origin ASs contributing the /24s in the above lists: http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras/projects/ipaddr/24asn If you are on the list or know someone who is, please encourage them to take steps to clean up their act. You may now return to your regularly scheduled complaining about Verisign. -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras(a)e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)

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RE: c1700 router
by Bill Woodcock 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

> Check out > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/765/tools/quickreference/routerperforma > nce.pdf > The most I've run through one is four T1s and one FastE. No problem to > pass 50K pps. Note that their claims vis-a-vis the 1760 were written by the 2600 group. Who also claim that this router maxes out at 128mbps of RAM. Reality differs considerably from marketing. Particularly marketing on behalf of a competing product. -Bill

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Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)
by Randy Bush 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

>> He also said that Internet is growing by 1000% a year. > "we're adding a DS3 per day [to the network]" and, at the time, both statements were true. randy

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