August 2003 - Test - lists.nanog.org

RE: RPC errors
by Drew Weaver 11 Aug '03

11 Aug '03

Its hitting our Dial-Up customers pretty hard, basically on client side they see "Unexpected Remote Proceedure call, your computer needs to be rebooted" Then that's it. -Drew -----Original Message----- From: Jack Bates [mailto:jbates@brightok.net] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 4:12 PM To: NANOG Subject: RPC errors I'm showing signs of an RPC sweep across one of my networks that's killing some XP machines (only XP confirmed). How wide spread is this at this time. Also, does anyone know if this is just generating a DOS symptom or if I should be looking for backdoors in these client systems? -Jack

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RE: RPC errors
by McBurnett, Jim 11 Aug '03

11 Aug '03

Jack, This is that RPC flaw in MicroSoft. I noticed it too.. Got about 20K in 15 hours Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jack Bates [mailto:jbates@brightok.net] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 4:12 PM To: NANOG Subject: RPC errors I'm showing signs of an RPC sweep across one of my networks that's killing some XP machines (only XP confirmed). How wide spread is this at this time. Also, does anyone know if this is just generating a DOS symptom or if I should be looking for backdoors in these client systems? -Jack

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Re: Gigabit Media Converter
by Vincent J. Bono 11 Aug '03

11 Aug '03

Thanks but this wont work. We have a Specific frequency (CWDM) on one side. -vb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curtis Clan" <Curtis.Clan(a)state.tn.us> To: <nanog(a)merit.edu>; <vbono(a)vinny.org> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Gigabit Media Converter > I believe this is what you are looking > > http://www.transition.com/products/mcon_platform/standalone/gigabit/fsmmm04. htm > > >>> "Vincent J. Bono" <vbono(a)vinny.org> 8/11/2003 12:02:04 PM >>> > > Anyone out ther ever see or hear tell of a device that will let you run > two > GBICs back to back wthout an associated switch and all the trimmings? > > Application is to convert a CWDM GBIC signal to a Multimode one. > > TIA, > Vin >

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Re: [connie.davis@mail.internetseer.com: answerpointe.cctec.com]
by Stewart, William C (Bill), RTSLS 10 Aug '03

10 Aug '03

I'd say keep it. NANOG's archives at Merit are probably more stable than many mailing list archives I've seen, but it's possible that something will happen to it in the next 5-10 years that kills it. Multiple copies of list archives aren't a bad thing, at least for relatively low volume lists like NANOG. Old archives aren't usually highly useful, but once in a while they can provide good insight into the "why did they do that" sorts of questions. The archive at gmane.org munges @ charactes into " <at> " in an attempt to reduce spider infestations, and it's probably not a bad idea except when people are trying to explain specific syntaxes that this garbles. Bill Stewart.

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[connie.davis@mail.internetseer.com: answerpointe.cctec.com]
by Leo Bicknell 10 Aug '03

10 Aug '03

Has anyone else gotten one of these? It appears they are trolling a Nanog archive on the web and sending these out to posters. *sigh* Perhaps it should be a nanog AUP violation to archive the list on the web, and merit could keep a single web archive with the e-mail addresses removed / altered to prevent this sort of harvesting. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell(a)ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request(a)tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org

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Network Solutions and Broken E-mail Addresses
by Leo Bicknell 08 Aug '03

08 Aug '03

Sometime recently Network Solutions seems to have stopped accepting "+" as a valid character in an e-mail address. Yes, I did open a ticket via their customer service people, and was given the reply that I needed to use another e-mail address. Per their web form, the only acceptable addresses are [a-zA-Z-_.]+(a)[a-zA-Z-_.]+ (no, they don't put it in a regex, but I did for clarity). Evidence suggests some Network Solutions people read this list, but are unlikely to reply to queries such as mine. That's fine, but if one of you could suggest to the people in the right place that there are many valid e-mail addresses not in that form it would be great. In particular I'm trying to use bicknell+whois(a)ufp.org, which I have used for years. Note to all, they also sent out a recent note that ICANN requires valid contact info for a domain, and if you don't have it they can "unregister" your domain. Well, their web form flags my e-mail as "invalid", even though it works just fine (and it's the address they used to send me the notice). If you use a e-mail that doesn't match the regex above you might want to complain, or change it, or both. A private e-mail from someone at netsol will yeild the ticket number I opened with standard customer service. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell(a)ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request(a)tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org

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kornet.net ?
by frank＠try-us.de 08 Aug '03

08 Aug '03

Hello , is there someone from kornet.net out there, please contact me off list Thank you -- Best regards, Frank Kuempel mailto:frank@try-us.de If it's there and you can see it - it's REAL If it's there and you can't see it - it's TRANSPARENT If it's not there and you can see it - it's VIRTUAL If it's not there and you can't see it - it's GONE

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 08 Aug '03

08 Aug '03

This report has been generated at Fri Aug 8 21:47:44 2003 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 01-08-03 123769 88284 02-08-03 123888 88324 03-08-03 123875 88313 04-08-03 123832 88371 05-08-03 123956 88403 06-08-03 124078 88377 07-08-03 123924 88399 08-08-03 124082 88572 AS Summary 15583 Number of ASes in routing system 6150 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1470 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS701 : ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 73223680 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS568 : SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 08Aug03 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 124332 88571 35761 28.8% All ASes AS7132 855 236 619 72.4% SBIS-AS SBC Internet Services - Southwest AS701 1470 1032 438 29.8% ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS4323 606 176 430 71.0% TW-COMM Time Warner Communications, Inc. AS7018 1371 962 409 29.8% ATT-INTERNET4 AT&T WorldNet Services AS3908 899 529 370 41.2% SUPERNETASBLK SuperNet, Inc. AS7843 557 218 339 60.9% ADELPHIA-AS Adelphia Corp. AS11305 358 38 320 89.4% INTERLAND-NET1 Interland Incorporated AS1221 1042 734 308 29.6% ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd AS6197 557 250 307 55.1% BATI-ATL BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS6198 499 194 305 61.1% BATI-MIA BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS4355 405 116 289 71.4% ERMS-EARTHLNK EARTHLINK, INC AS1239 944 666 278 29.4% SPRINTLINK Sprint AS6347 361 93 268 74.2% DIAMOND SAVVIS Communications Corporation AS25844 257 9 248 96.5% SKADDEN1 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP AS27364 317 84 233 73.5% ACS-INTERNET Armstrong Cable Services AS17676 250 24 226 90.4% GIGAINFRA Softbank BB Corp. AS22773 236 16 220 93.2% CCINET-2 Cox Communications Inc. Atlanta AS209 521 304 217 41.7% ASN-QWEST Qwest AS4134 319 123 196 61.4% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS705 481 302 179 37.2% ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS6327 199 25 174 87.4% SHAWFIBER Shaw Fiberlink Limited AS2048 258 88 170 65.9% LANET-1 State of Louisiana AS2386 397 229 168 42.3% INS-AS AT&T Data Communications Services AS17557 301 139 162 53.8% PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom AS14654 164 3 161 98.2% WAYPORT Wayport AS6140 290 135 155 53.4% IMPSAT-USA ImpSat AS3602 235 87 148 63.0% SPRINT-CA-AS Sprint Canada Inc. AS20115 473 327 146 30.9% CHARTER-NET-HKY-NC Charter Communications AS9583 239 100 139 58.2% SATYAMNET-AS Satyam Infoway Ltd., AS9800 195 56 139 71.3% UNICOM CHINA UNICOM Total 15056 7295 7761 51.5% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.119.0.0/16 AS11492 CABLEONE CABLE ONE 61.12.32.0/24 AS7545 TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd 61.12.34.0/24 AS7545 TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd 64.30.64.0/19 AS14900 USLEC-CORP-1 USLEC Corp. 66.41.192.0/18 AS13367 ATT-BBND-B AT&T Broadband 82.140.128.0/18 AS15419 LRTC-AS SC "LRTC" Internet services 132.0.0.0/10 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 137.0.0.0/13 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 138.136.0.0/13 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 140.240.0.0/13 AS1 GNTY-1 Genuity 158.0.0.0/13 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 165.212.0.0/16 AS7424 USANET USA.Net 166.16.0.0/16 AS7132 SBIS-AS SBC Internet Services - Southwest 192.43.230.0/24 AS4738 SAARDNET-AS South Australian Academic Research and Development Network 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 192.83.16.0/20 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.32.0/19 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.64.0/19 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.96.0/22 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.100.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 PSCNI-AS National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.135.50.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 AT&T WorldNet Services 192.136.79.0/24 AS719 AS719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.153.136.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.153.144.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.172.0.0/19 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.188.208.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.243.32.0/23 AS2044 PALIN-AS Palin Aquisitions Inc. 193.0.0.0/21 AS3333 RIPE-NCC-AS RIPE NCC 193.108.205.0/24 AS21006 PDR-AS PDR AS for announcing own routes 193.111.60.0/22 AS24888 NEWTEL-AS NEWTEL ASN 193.149.128.0/18 AS8220 COLT COLT Internet - International Backbone - www.colt.net 193.222.192.0/19 AS21102 ASN-KIOSKAG KIOSK Autonomous System 194.13.0.0/17 AS1103 SURFNET-NL SURFnet, The Netherlands 195.80.233.0/24 AS12654 AS12654 RIPE NCC RIS Project. 195.149.72.0/24 AS15471 SNR-RO SNR - Societatea Nationala de Radiocomunicatii 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLATLANTIC-COM Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.97.72.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.97.80.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.97.88.0/24 AS89 NUSC-CSTLNET-AS Naval Underwater Systems Center 198.97.192.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.97.240.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.98.8.0/21 AS3701 NERONET Oregon Joint Graduate Schools of Engineering 198.101.4.0/22 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.136.32.0/20 AS19329 MCNET Martin County Board of County Commissioners 198.144.32.0/19 AS3998 CITY-NET CityNet, Inc. 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GROUPTLCOM GT Group Telecom Services Corp. 198.161.165.0/24 AS852 ASN852 Telus Advanced Communications 198.163.155.0/24 AS684 MBNET-AS Manitoba Regional Network 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INTERHOP Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.167.163.0/24 AS15290 ATTCA-15290 AT&T Canada Telecom Services Company 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASKTEL SaskTel 198.232.133.0/24 AS23075 SKOTOS-AS Skotos Tech, Inc 199.10.0.0/16 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.60.0.0/20 AS271 BCNET-AS University of British Columbia 199.79.32.0/20 AS3701 NERONET Oregon Joint Graduate Schools of Engineering 199.84.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 199.114.0.0/18 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.114.0.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.114.128.0/18 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 ITSDN-U7 DISA/UNRRA 199.120.32.0/19 AS16582 NEXTLEVELINTERNET NEXTLEVEL INTERNET, INC. 199.121.0.0/16 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.123.16.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.123.80.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST-AS IQuest Internet 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 201.118.64.0/20 AS19151 WEBUSENET-1 WebUseNet Corp 202.3.144.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.145.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.146.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.147.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.148.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.149.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.150.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.151.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.152.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.153.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.154.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.155.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.156.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.157.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.158.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.159.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.4.252.0/22 AS4808 CNCGROUP-BJ CNCGROUP-BJ 202.4.255.0/24 AS4799 UNSPECIFIED Ji Tong Communications Co., Ltd. 202.6.96.0/24 AS4761 INDOSAT1-AP INDOSATNET-ASN 202.6.97.0/24 AS4761 INDOSAT1-AP INDOSATNET-ASN 202.6.99.0/24 AS4761 INDOSAT1-AP INDOSATNET-ASN 202.10.72.0/21 AS9716 AUSTAR-AS-AP Austar Entertainement 202.44.112.0/20 AS17458 CWNETDG-IO-AP Cable and Wireless 202.122.76.0/24 AS17553 TIMELESS-AP System Integration provider 202.130.224.0/20 AS4808 CNCGROUP-BJ CNCGROUP-BJ 202.130.240.0/21 AS4808 CNCGROUP-BJ CNCGROUP-BJ 202.130.248.0/22 AS4812 CHINANET-SH-AP China Telecom (Group) 202.130.252.0/22 AS4812 CHINANET-SH-AP China Telecom (Group) 202.136.254.0/23 AS4808 CNCGROUP-BJ CNCGROUP-BJ 202.136.254.0/24 AS4808 CNCGROUP-BJ CNCGROUP-BJ 202.142.130.0/23 AS17820 DIL-AP DIRECT INTERNET LTD. 202.142.132.0/22 AS17820 DIL-AP DIRECT INTERNET LTD. 202.143.48.0/21 AS4795 INDOSAT2-ID-AP INDOSATNET-ASN 202.143.56.0/21 AS4795 INDOSAT2-ID-AP INDOSATNET-ASN 202.161.0.0/19 AS10097 FLOWCOM flow communications level 2 541 kent st sydney nsw 2000 202.161.0.0/21 AS4634 -No Whois Entry- 202.161.8.0/21 AS4634 -No Whois Entry- 202.164.192.0/19 AS7599 IPXC-AS-AP IP Exchange 202.165.0.0/19 AS9443 INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications 203.62.0.0/17 AS7572 AARNET-ACT-RNO Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.76.128.0/24 AS9729 IS-AP iAdvantage Limited 203.76.224.0/24 AS9549 COMDEK-ISP-AS-AP Comdek ISP 203.78.125.0/24 AS17653 PCM-HK-AP Pacific Century Matrix 203.86.2.0/23 AS4058 APNIC-4058 Asia Pacific Network Information Centre 203.90.192.0/20 AS9658 ETPI-IDS-AS-AP Eastern Telecoms Phils., Inc. 203.135.99.0/24 AS2687 IBM-MMD-AS IBM 203.135.224.0/19 AS4058 APNIC-4058 Asia Pacific Network Information Centre 203.171.96.0/19 AS703 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 203.171.102.0/24 AS703 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 204.19.224.0/19 AS816 UUNET-AS4 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 204.29.189.0/24 AS11755 WAYMARKCOMM Waymark Internet Services, Inc. 204.52.232.0/24 AS7177 DFWNET DFW Internet Services, Inc. 204.89.225.0/24 AS2495 KANREN Kansas Research and Education Network 204.154.240.0/21 AS11572 MEDIACOM Mediacom,llc / RidgeNet 204.192.0.0/10 AS3644 SPR-VPN Sprint 204.194.110.0/23 AS10588 ICSNET Intelligent Computer Solutions, Inc 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 206.41.32.0/19 AS14824 NEWSOUTH NewSouth Communications Corp. 206.81.187.0/24 AS19194 JOVITA Sentris Network LLC 206.82.64.0/18 AS7029 ALLTELNET Alltel Information Services, Inc. 206.108.34.0/24 AS852 ASN852 Telus Advanced Communications 206.108.35.0/24 AS852 ASN852 Telus Advanced Communications 206.126.0.0/19 AS5750 FLEXNET-HAWAII FlexNet Inc. 206.167.57.0/24 AS376 RISQ-AS Reseau Interordinateurs Scientique Quebecois (RISQ) 206.191.64.0/18 AS15290 ATTCA-15290 AT&T Canada Telecom Services Company 206.251.69.0/24 AS27429 TIL Telesat International Ltd. 207.47.39.0/24 AS816 UUNET-AS4 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 207.92.0.0/14 AS2551 ICG ICG NetAhead, Inc. 207.162.192.0/19 AS4589 EASYNET Easynet Group Plc 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETPA NuNet Inc 208.65.232.0/23 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 208.81.187.0/24 AS19194 JOVITA Sentris Network LLC 208.104.103.0/24 AS1239 SPRINTLINK Sprint 209.87.176.0/20 AS8182 DIGITALRIVER Digital River 209.104.252.0/22 AS12030 PACIFIC-ONLINE-PON Pacific Online Services 209.108.0.0/14 AS2551 ICG ICG NetAhead, Inc. 209.151.128.0/19 AS816 UUNET-AS4 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 209.160.73.0/24 AS13415 LUMIX Lumix Communications, Inc. 209.169.219.0/24 AS189 GENUITY-AS189 Genuity 209.169.223.0/24 AS189 GENUITY-AS189 Genuity 209.172.0.0/18 AS7770 TRITON Triton Technologies, Inc. 209.213.32.0/19 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.50.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.51.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.55.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.56.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.160.0/19 AS4355 ERMS-EARTHLNK EARTHLINK, INC 209.222.137.0/24 AS27429 TIL Telesat International Ltd. 209.240.96.0/19 AS10815 KCNET KCnet, Inc. 209.251.0.0/19 AS11036 SISCOM SISCOM, Inc 209.251.64.0/19 AS10266 NETWAY-AS MDC, Inc. 210.4.20.0/22 AS10095 -No Whois Entry- 210.4.60.0/24 AS10095 -No Whois Entry- 210.4.61.0/24 AS10095 -No Whois Entry- 210.213.0.0/19 AS6453 TELEGLOBE-AS Teleglobe Inc 211.27.156.0/24 AS9768 PUBNET1-AS KT 216.18.224.0/21 AS11458 IMBRIS IMBRIS, INC. 216.18.224.0/22 AS11458 IMBRIS IMBRIS, INC. 216.18.228.0/22 AS11458 IMBRIS IMBRIS, INC. 216.47.32.0/19 AS11304 SPLUS Solutions Plus Inc. 216.96.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 AT&T WorldNet Services 216.153.0.0/17 AS6203 ISDN-NET ISDN-Net Inc. 216.226.108.0/22 AS3602 SPRINT-CA-AS Sprint Canada Inc. Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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Touchamerica
by Christopher J. Wolff 08 Aug '03

08 Aug '03

Hello, If there are any Touch America techs within reach of this email, could you please contact me off list. Thank you. Regards, Christopher J. Wolff, VP CIO Broadband Laboratories, Inc. http://www.bblabs.com chris(a)bblabs.com

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testing bandwidth of big internet pipes
by Arjan Lugtenberg 07 Aug '03

07 Aug '03

Hi, We as a Dutch network provider deliver also ATM lines and other big internet pipes for several big company's over here. At the moment we are looking for a good badwidth test within your network to test the line and to see if the customer gets what he has asked/paid for. sometimes it happens we deliver a big ATM line (for instance) and after a couple of hours the customer complains about the actual line rate. These problems has to be tested at the point of delivery so that the customer and ourselves are convinced the right line is configured in the ATM backbone. The test has to be done in such a way that a full T1 can be pulled to the max. What kind of bandwidth tests do other people on the list use for these big lines? Are there any documents written about such kind of tests? Please let me know. Regards, Arjan

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