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RE: Big power outage in Ontario ?
by Malayter, Christopher 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

The power outages in the North East US, also go into canada as far in as Toronto and Ottawa from what US news sources are reporting. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: Mike Tancsa [mailto:mike@sentex.net] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:29 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Big power outage in Ontario ? Anyone know whats up with the big power outage in Ontario Canada ? ---Mike

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Re: NERC summer 2003 power predictions
by Steven M. Bellovin 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/08/14/energyexpert_030814 We predicted this: energy expert Last Updated Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:57:07 BOULDER, COLORADO - Energy experts have been warning about large-scale blackouts in North America since the early eighties. Bill Browning of the Rocky Mountain Institute in Colorado says a report for the U.S. Pentagon in 1982 cautioned the American government about the fragility of the power grid system in North America. ... --Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb

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Power outage in the Northeast
by Timo Janhunen 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

I hope they get the power issues resolved soon ... my igloo is going to melt soon! Cheers! Timo Janhunen Aurora Cable Internet email: timo(a)aci.on.ca | voice: +1 (905) 727-1981 x253 | fax: +1 (905) 727-7407

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RE: East Coast outage? (remote power -- as in remote huts)
by Mike Tancsa 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

Although our main office here has generator power, what do all the intermediary unmanaged network sites typically have for DC power along the way ? One of my local fibre providers told me that the remote hut we are off of only will last until about 9:30pm tonight and then bye bye. Is that typical to have 6hrs battery ? I am sure its all over the map from provider to provider, but does anyone know what Bell Canada (my other local loop provider) typical aims for in terms of battery power for remote huts ? ---Mike At 05:41 PM 14/08/2003 -0400, Ingevaldson, Dan (ISS Atlanta) wrote: >Latest is the failure at 14th street was the original failure and the >rest cascaded from there. > >-d > >-----Original Message----- >From: up(a)3.am [mailto:up@3.am] >Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:51 PM >To: Aaron D. Britt >Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: East Coast outage? > > > > > >From CNN: > >NEW YORK (CNN) -- A major power outage simultaneously struck several >large cities in the United States and Canada late Thursday afternoon. > >Cities affected include New York; Boston, Massachusetts; Cleveland, >Ohio; Detroit, Michigan; Toronto, Ontario; and Ottawa, Ontario. The >power outage occurred shortly after 4 p.m. > ><snip> > >no word on the cause(s), but a ConEd transformer on East 14th street was >said to be on fine...not sure how that could affect other cities, >though... > >On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Aaron D. Britt wrote: > > > > > I just lost 80 circuits (Voice and Data), across multiple states on > > the East Coast in the last 10 minutes. Is there a Northeast power > > outage or fiber cut that anyone knows about? > > > > Any info would be appreciated... > > > > -Aaron > > > > > >James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor >up(a)3.am http://3.am >======================================================================== >=

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Forwarded message: NANOG - Outage Summary
by Richard Welty 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

forwarded (with permission) for someone who can't post to nanog: ------ Forwarded message ------ From: Ben Venzke <bvenzke(a)intelcenter.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:56:00 -0400 Subject: NANOG - Outage Summary To: Richard Welty NE Outages - v2.9 The cause appears to be an overload of the Niagara-Mohawk grid which then caused cascading failures. Outage started around 1600 EST List of areas without power that I'm aware of. Sporadic impact in Maine, Tennessee, Illinois - Ben Venzke AIRPORTS WITHOUT POWER: Cleveland Detroit Kennedy LaGuardia Newark Ottawa Toronto Outage Areas: US CONNECTICUT: Bridgeport Fairfield Counties Hartford Stanford MASSACHUSETTS: Boston (sporadic) Pittsfield Springfield MICHIGAN: Ann Arbor Detroit Lansing NEW JERSEY (everywhere north of New Brunswick): East Rutherford Nanuet Newark Seacaucus NEW YORK: Albany Buffalo NYC (including City Hall and Wall Street, subways down) Plattsburg Rochester Syracuse Utica OHIO: Akron Ashland Cleveland Medina Toledo PENNSYLVANIA (NW parts): Erie Oil City Philadelphia Titusville VERMONT (southern areas) Burlington CANADA: Toronto Ottawa (Ottawa - Pembroke - North Bay corridor) Windsor, Ontario Waterloo, Ontario Cambridge, Ontario Guelph, Ontario Hespler, Ontario -------- End of message ------- -- Richard Welty rwelty(a)averillpark.net Averill Park Networking 518-573-7592 Java, PHP, PostgreSQL, Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security

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August 14 2003 Power Outages - NERC Announcement
by Sean Donelan 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

Starting at about 4:15 PM EDT, major losses of electric load occurred in the northeastern U.S. and Canada in the Eastern Interconnection. No cause is known at present, but the outages do not appear to be the result of a terrorist attack. The areas most affected center around the Great Lakes plus New York City, northern New Jersey and parts of New England. We do not know if these blackouts are related for sure, but it is likely. Con Edison in New York lost its entire system, it is not known when service will be restored. Immediate outages totaled about 28,000 MW, at this time 5-10,000 MW remain out of service. The power in Ontario is being brought back on line through connections with Manitoba. In Ohio, Perry Nuclear plant went off-line. Major transmission lines were out of service at the time of the disruption. It appears that ten nuclear plants went offline, probably as a result of fluctuations in frequency. Preliminary indications are that the problems may have started in either Ohio or the Niagara Falls area. Although the event was felt throughout the entire Eastern Interconnection, the south and midwest were unaffected. NERC is having regular conference calls among the NERC reliability coordinators and will provide additional information as we know more. We do not know the cause of the disturbances at present but will continue to evaluate the situation throughout the rest of the day and evening. 8/14/2003 6:13 PM

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"... Niagara-Mohawk power grid was overloaded."
by Eric A. Hall 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

natural failure of the grid http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/08/14/power.outage/index.html Major power outage hits New York, other large cities Thursday, August 14, 2003 Posted: 4:58 PM EDT (2058 GMT) NEW YORK (CNN) -- A major power outage simultaneously struck dozens of cities in the United States and Canada late Thursday afternoon. Cities affected include New York; Boston, Massachusetts; Cleveland, Ohio; Detroit, Michigan; Toronto, Ontario; and Ottawa, Ontario. The power outage occurred shortly after 4 p.m. State officials said the Niagara-Mohawk power grid was overloaded. The grid provides power for New York and stretches into Canada. The officials said the outage is a natural occurrence and not related to terrorism. Much of Midtown Manhattan and Wall Street were shut down. All area airports and the Long Island Railroad were also affected. The airports were operating on back-up power and operations were reported to be normal, officials said. The New York City Police Department said they were trying to determine what happened. Thousands of people could be seen leaving buildings and walking into the streets. New York subways were reported stopped and people were trapped in the cars. -30- -- Eric A. Hall http://www.ehsco.com/ Internet Core Protocols http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/coreprot/

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Power outage in North East
by Joel Perez 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

Has anyone heard of a big Power outage in the North east? I just got a call from one of my tech's in the GBLX bldg in Newark, NJ at 1085 raymond and they are telling him that they lost power! But I also got a call from AT&T in NY that they also lost Power! ---------------------------------------------- Joel Perez <jperez(a)ntera.net> | IP Engineer http://www.ntera.net/ | Ntera 305.914.3412

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Boston seems unaffected by blackouts
by Andy Grosser 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

I'm in downtown Boston (Back Bay), and things seem normal here. No local outages reported as of yet (6:25 PM EST), that I can tell. Sure, "Blame Canada, Blame Canada..." ;-) This whole thing should have interesting implications for infrastructure upgrades. Or it'll tell us something about consumption, and taking these things for granted. Solar panels, anyone? ;-) --- Andy Grosser, CCNP andy(a)meniscus.org "One does not become Woody Guthrie by design." - Steve Earle, writing about Bob Dylan ---

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Re: Microsoft to ship new versions with firewall enabled
by John Neiberger 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

>>>> Sean Donelan <sean(a)donelan.com> 8/14/03 8:29:07 AM >>> >John Markoff reports in the New York Times that Microsoft plans to change >how it ships Windows XP due to the worm. In the future Microsoft will >ship both business and consumer verisons of Windows XP with the included >firewall enabled by default. [Veering further off-topic] Hmm...I didn't even know XP had a built-in firewall. Any bets on how long it is before other companies with software firewall products bring suit against Microsoft for bundling a firewall in the OS? --

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