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different use of a backhoe
by Peter Galbavy 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2879833.stm Peter

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(possible Flame bait) Backbone Building vs Transit purchasing
by Deepak Jain 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Notice, I didn't call this Peering vs Transit. I don't want to get into that discussion. :) Over the years, as economics have moved around and such, the question of whether its *profitable* to build a backbone and peer-off most or all traffic vs buying transit for all or some destinations has moved around. Some of the factors are economic, some have to do with onerous or non-existant peering possibilities with one or more networks. *IS* there a common sense number or an equation (better) anyone has worked out to figure whether building a backbone (national/international) to peering points (i.e. extending an existing, operational service network) to improve/add peering vs continuing to buy transit? I was in a discussion about this fairly recently, and I can imagine a number of people have started asking the same questions. To be fair, and hopefully eliminate any religious issues. Let's assume 1) The network-in-question's traffic is balanced [1:1 push/pull] -- I know, we are talking theoretical here. 2) That "transit" implies a few good networks, with redundancy and fault-tolerance. More specifically, it is not assumed that "peering" or "transit" has any net-effect on the customer base because 1) if peering is insufficient, some transit will remain, and 2) if some transit provider is behaving poorly, there is another transit provider available to shift traffic to. I hope this is a reasonable groundwork for a discussion. :) If you want to shoot out numbers (privately) I am fine with that. Let's start the bidding at 1Gb/s sustained. :) Deepak Jain AiNET

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APNIC returning 223/8 to IANA
by John Tran 23 Mar '03

23 Mar '03

Hi all, APNIC is in the process of handling back the 223/8 which we received from IANA in February 2003. Please see the email below for more information. Regards son ____________________________________________________________________ Resources Services Manager <Son(a)apnic.net> Asia Pacific Network Information Centre phone: +61 7 3858 3100 http://www.apnic.net fax: +61 7 3858 3199 Helpdesk phone: +61 7 3858 3188 email: helpdesk(a)apnic.net Please send Internet Resource Requests to <hostmaster(a)apnic.net> _____________________________________________________________________ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:55:25 +1000 (EST) From: John Tran <john(a)apnic.net> To: iana(a)iana.org Cc: pwilson(a)apnic.net, Anne Lord <anne(a)apnic.net> Subject: handback of 223/8 Dear Michelle, APNIC was allocated 223.255.255.0/8 by IANA on 12 February 2003. RFC3330.txt states that 223.255.255.0/24 is RESERVED. At this point in time, the reservation means that the network cannot be further assigned or allocated. The reservation of this network impacts the sparse allocation system used by APNIC for managing allocations, limiting the amount of potential aggregation. Furthermore, the status of RESERVED is potentially confusing for APNIC members, the majority of whom do not have English as a first language. APNIC therefore is returning this block to IANA and cordially requests that IANA delegate a block with no such reservation. APNIC regards the status of this address block as a matter for resolution by the IETF and IANA. Once the status has been finally resolved however, APNIC would be willing to receive this block in a future IANA allocation. Regards Son ____________________________________________________________________ Resources Services Manager <Son(a)apnic.net> Asia Pacific Network Information Centre phone: +61 7 3858 3100 http://www.apnic.net fax: +61 7 3858 3199 Helpdesk phone: +61 7 3858 3188 email: helpdesk(a)apnic.net Please send Internet Resource Requests to <hostmaster(a)apnic.net> _____________________________________________________________________

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Iraqi Internet communications still working 3/21/03
by Sean Donelan 22 Mar '03

22 Mar '03

The main Iraqi network connections are still functioning. Uruklink.net, Iraq2000.com, Baghdadlink.net, etc systems are responding. The public web servers appear to be very congested or non-responsive; but because I can reach other systems (mail, dns, etc) I suspect people are overloading the webservers. And to answer the question, no I don't know why the .IQ top-level domain is registered in Richardson Texas, nor do I know why the official state provider uses .NET and .COM instead of .iq. Since either the Iraqi government or the US government could shutdown the relatively limited external links from Iraq; I'm guessing both governments have decided its worth leaving the Internet links in place. Or its not worth the hassle of trying to shut them down.

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OT: need SBCIS (7132) contact with DNS clue
by E.B. Dreger 22 Mar '03

22 Mar '03

Greetings all, Anyone have an SBCIS (AS7132) contact with DNS clue? I'm being told it's "company policy" that they list their nameservers as authoritative for reverse DNS on space assigned from their netblocks. IOW, they "delegate" by creating NS RRs that point to the correct NSes _and_ NS RRs pointing to their own. It gets better. Like all good "authoritative" NSes, their NSes disallow recursive processing. Is it truly company policy to screw up reverse DNS for downstreams who run their own? Wanted: AS7132 contact who understands the concept of lame servers, why they are bad, and is willing and able to help do something about it. Eddy -- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 (785) 865-5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 (316) 794-8922 Wichita ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: A Trap <blacklist(a)brics.com> To: blacklist(a)brics.com Subject: Please ignore this portion of my mail signature. These last few lines are a trap for address-harvesting spambots. Do NOT send mail to <blacklist(a)brics.com>, or you are likely to be blocked.

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RE: Problems with AT&T
by mohammed_al_sukkar＠maktoob.com 22 Mar '03

22 Mar '03

"Truman, Michelle, SALES" Write >Mohammed, AT&T is working with the vendor on a fix. It has to be >compatible with all other protocols and services running in this >network. This is not a small network and so these things take a bit of >time. It will be done, but perhaps not fast enough for you. There's >certainly no telling whether the other carrier you reference is using >the exact same platform as AT&T, or services. We're cautious about >these things. Why AT&T not notice problem before deploy Avici Router? Traceroute and Ping important for VOIP diagnostic. Help us determine which network better. _________________________________________________________ Buy, bid or sell on MazadMaktoob. Prepare to be well impressed! http://www.mazadmaktoob.com

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RE: Bellsouth clueful?
by McBurnett, Jim 22 Mar '03

22 Mar '03

Jason, If this is important to you, check out using your W2K pro or WXP machines SMTP relay and use it to send the mail.. It can send directly out of it to the destin server.. Since you are a CCNP I am sure you are most likely running a firewall of some kind and little risk of you having an open relay. If you have questions catch me offlist.. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jason Slagle [mailto:raistlin@tacorp.net] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:48 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Bellsouth clueful? Anyone at bellsouth home that can provide some insite (mostly eta) on the email-server outage going on. I tried the normal paths: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <noc(a)bellsouth.net> (reason: 550 Invalid recipient: <noc(a)bellsouth.net>) I have loved ones overseas, and rumor has it they could send email. Bellsouth needs to get this fixed ASAP. Jason -- Jason Slagle - CCNP - CCDP /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign . X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail .

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Bellsouth clueful?
by Jason Slagle 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

Anyone at bellsouth home that can provide some insite (mostly eta) on the email-server outage going on. I tried the normal paths: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <noc(a)bellsouth.net> (reason: 550 Invalid recipient: <noc(a)bellsouth.net>) I have loved ones overseas, and rumor has it they could send email. Bellsouth needs to get this fixed ASAP. Jason -- Jason Slagle - CCNP - CCDP /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign . X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail .

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OT: Notebooks /w a serial port?
by Drew Weaver 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

Seems like these are all but extinct, but does anyone know of a 'new' notebook that has a serial port built onto it? I've found some that have port replicators, but that can be a pain when you need to serial into a router or some other device. What do you guys use? -Drew

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VLAN between PAIX VA and EQUINIX ASHBURN
by Rodney Joffe 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

Does anyone here have reliable fiber between PAIX VA and EQUINIX in Ashburn that they would be willing to provide a 100mb VLAN across? We're running into some routing issues and need to find a long term solution in a hurry (a VLAN may solve it). Thanks. Offline responses, please :-) -- Rodney Joffe CenterGate Research Group, LLC. http://www.centergate.com "Technology so advanced, even we don't understand it!"(SM)

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