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RE: Low end router alternative?
by Robert Boyle 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

At 05:18 PM 12/19/2003, you wrote: >On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Ejay Hire wrote: > > > Lucent Pipeline 130, Superpipe 95, or Superpipe 155. > >Well 2 minutes on Froogle tell me your definition of cheap and mine don't >match. For the same price range I would get a netopia R4522 or 5300 which >will reliably do NAT and all. > >With a little more research, I think I can better clarify that I'm looking >for just about any router (<$50-100) that has a HSSI port and an RJ45 >port. For what I'm looking for at the moment (experimenting) >used/refurbished doesn't matter so long as it works. Then you probably want a Netopia PN660. v.35 serial port, NAT, RJ45 Ethernet, etc. They can't be upgraded with a Netopia OS later than 2 years ago due to flash and RAM limitations so they have limited VPN capability, but they work great for what they are. You can get them for < $25 on eBay. This one is currently $9.99. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3066361701&category=3706 DO NOT buy a PN630/640 or any other model except the PN660 since that is the only one which will work for your specs. I would have given you one, but I threw them away a few months ago. -Robert Tellurian Networks - The Ultimate Internet Connection http://www.tellurian.com | 888-TELLURIAN | 973-300-9211 "Good will, like a good name, is got by many actions, and lost by one." - Francis Jeffrey

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RE: Low end router alternative?
by David Langlands 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

Technically speaking, the port is definitely not a HSSI port. HSSI is ~ 52mbps and used for DS-3 and E3. You're probably looking for a v.35 interface, EIA-422/485, or similar interface to match your CSU. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Gerald [mailto:gcoon@inch.com] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:18 PM To: Ejay Hire Cc: 'Gerald'; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: Low end router alternative? On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Ejay Hire wrote: > Lucent Pipeline 130, Superpipe 95, or Superpipe 155. Well 2 minutes on Froogle tell me your definition of cheap and mine don't match. For the same price range I would get a netopia R4522 or 5300 which will reliably do NAT and all. With a little more research, I think I can better clarify that I'm looking for just about any router (<$50-100) that has a HSSI port and an RJ45 port. For what I'm looking for at the moment (experimenting) used/refurbished doesn't matter so long as it works. Gerald

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Low end router alternative?
by Gerald 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

I'm experimenting at home with hardware. I'm playing with low end T1 equipment at the moment. What is a low-cost router solution to hook to a CSU/DSU? (where I don't have to pay a ridiculous $800+ IOS relicensing fee preferably.) With Cisco 2500's going on Ebay for $10-$30, I'd like to find something in the <$50 price range that will do basic routing and has an RJ45 connector plus some serial way for me to hook the CSU/DSU in to it. Bonus abilities would be built in DHCP, NAT, 1-1 NAT mapping, port mapping, and basic firewalling. Maybe I'm looking at this too hard. Is there a cheap Smart-Jack to Ethernet conversion system out there I'm missing for small businesses? I know the hardware has been around for a while and the software I'm looking for is not complicated. Maybe someone knows of a different OS that'll go on the cheap cisco routers like: http://www.mcvax.org/~koen/uClinux-cisco2500/images/ ...only with a heartbeat. (That's not going to stop me from downloading it and trying it though.) Thanks for any suggestions on or off list. Gerald

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RE: Bandwidth Control Question
by Fisher, Shawn 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

Curiouos, you have success buying on Ebay? No one send you a box of rocks? What about Cisco SPAR for TAC support? -----Original Message----- From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy@psg.com] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:24 PM To: Stephen Sprunk Cc: North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes Subject: Re: Bandwidth Control Question > PA-2FE-FX $5000/card $25.00/Mbit $2,000 on ebay randy

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RE: Bandwidth Control Question
by Michel Py 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

> Fisher, Shawn > Curiouos, you have success buying on Ebay? > No one send you a box of rocks? That's the question the UPS driver once asked when delivering a 7507; the box did contain a router though and no rocks. > What about Cisco SPAR for TAC support? For some, it has come to a point where storing spares on-site is cheaper. I just bought a VIP2-40 for 50 bucks for example. Seen some GSRs for as low as $5k. This is hurting Cisco and I heard some talking about suppressing software-only support but so far so good. Michel.

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Increased activity on UDP/1434?
by Bulger, Tim 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

Is anyone seeing increased activity on UDP/1434? We are seeing boxes which have been patched for SQL slammer spewing lots of traffic to randomized destination addresses for about 2 hours. Intense googling has revealed nothing new since SQL slammer. Any information would be appreciated. :) Thanks, Tim

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Re: Bandwidth Control Question
by sthaug＠nethelp.no 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

> The quite annoying thing about that is switching a PC-MC-2T3+ interface > from channelized (the default) to unchannelized causes a cbus complex > restart, which interrupts traffic through the router for a period of > time (the time varies based on the number of interfaces in the router). Even with "service single-slot-reload-enable"? Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug(a)nethelp.no

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RE: Bandwidth Control Question
by Brennan_Murphy＠NAI.com 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

Or wireless. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Roy Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:30 AM To: Claydon, Tom; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: Bandwidth Control Question Why waste a T3 port. Run ethernet if they are that close. Don't overlook the benefit of using the old thin-net for 200m. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Claydon, Tom Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 7:26 AM To: 'nanog(a)merit.edu' Subject: Bandwidth Control Question Hello, A customer of ours in the next building would like 6M of Internet bandwidth from us, so we would wire a DS3 between the two buildings for connectivity. The question is: how to we control the amount of bandwidth that we give them? Could we use rate limiting to contain the bandwdith to 6M, our would we need to get external IDSU's to do that? Note: we have a Cisco 7206VXR router on our end. The customer has a Cisco 7513. Thanks, = TC -- Tom Claydon, IT/ATM Network Engineer Dobson Telephone Company phone: (405) 391-8201 cell: (405) 834-0341

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RE: Bandwidth Control Question
by Claydon, Tom 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

Thanks to everyone who responded. Looks like I'm going to have to invest in a PA-MC-2T3+ card for the 7206...I have at least four PA-MC-T3 cards, and they're not going to work the way I want them to (unless I rate-limit them). Thanks, = TC -- Tom Claydon, IT/ATM Network Engineer Dobson Telephone Company phone: (405) 391-8201 cell: (405) 834-0341

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Bandwidth Control Question
by Claydon, Tom 19 Dec '03

19 Dec '03

Hello, A customer of ours in the next building would like 6M of Internet bandwidth from us, so we would wire a DS3 between the two buildings for connectivity. The question is: how to we control the amount of bandwidth that we give them? Could we use rate limiting to contain the bandwdith to 6M, our would we need to get external IDSU's to do that? Note: we have a Cisco 7206VXR router on our end. The customer has a Cisco 7513. Thanks, = TC -- Tom Claydon, IT/ATM Network Engineer Dobson Telephone Company phone: (405) 391-8201 cell: (405) 834-0341

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