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Rural Wireless ISP
by Guy.Ram＠usa.telekom.de 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

> Hello, > > I'm hoping to learn some pointers and get advice for a colleague hoping to > establishing a rural wireless-ISP in South America. It's the typical story > as in most other South American countries the capital city is served to > some extent by the monopoly provider and the rural towns and villages are > very poorly served. The intention is to establish Internet Kiosks where > the locals can access the internet and make VOIP calls even transact some > ecommerce. > > In my limited search I did come across a wireless system by Analog Devices > know as "corDECT", that is doing a good job over in India. But not to > constrain the options, we're hoping to learn about any solution that is > suitable for this situation. > Any suggestions on: > b) Necessary hardware & software components > c) Installation (the easier the better) & maintenance requirements > (lower is better) > d) how to get the traffic generated out at lowest cost > > thanks, > > -guy ram > > Email: guy.ram(a)usa.telekom.de >

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Re: Rural Wireless ISP
by Mathew Lodge 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

Agile communications did a rural Australian VoIP and data service. Details are at: http://www.agile.com.au/cnAbout.shtml Cheers, Mathew At 03:24 PM 4/16/2002 -0400, Guy.Ram(a)usa.telekom.de wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm hoping to learn some pointers and get advice for a colleague hoping to > > establishing a rural wireless-ISP in South America. It's the typical story > > as in most other South American countries the capital city is served to > > some extent by the monopoly provider and the rural towns and villages are > > very poorly served. The intention is to establish Internet Kiosks where > > the locals can access the internet and make VOIP calls even transact some > > ecommerce. > > > > In my limited search I did come across a wireless system by Analog Devices > > know as "corDECT", that is doing a good job over in India. But not to > > constrain the options, we're hoping to learn about any solution that is > > suitable for this situation. > > >Any suggestions on: > > b) Necessary hardware & software components > > c) Installation (the easier the better) & maintenance requirements > > (lower is better) > > d) how to get the traffic generated out at lowest cost > > > > thanks, > > > > -guy ram > > > > Email: guy.ram(a)usa.telekom.de > > | Mathew Lodge | mathew(a)cplane.com | | Director, Product Management | Ph: +1 408 789 4068 | | CPLANE, Inc. | http://www.cplane.com |

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31 bit ptp link addressing?
by Adrian Chadd 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Hi all, Just (mostly) out of personal curiousity - is anyone here running any PtP links using 31 bit prefixes rather than the /30's we're all happy with? If you go "huh?" take a look at rfc3021 - "Using 31-Bit Prefixes on IPv4 Point-to-Point Links" Thanks, Adrian -- Adrian Chadd "For a sucessful technology, reality must <adrian(a)creative.net.au> take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled" - Feynmann

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genuity - any good?
by matthew zeier 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

I've gotten attractive pricing from Genuity but I haven't used them in a couple years. Is there any reason I wouldn't want to use them as a third upstream OC3 provider? Thanks. - mz -- matthew zeier - "In mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them." - John von Newmann

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Qwest NOC/Peering
by German Martinez 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Somebody from Qwest NOC that can contact me off-line. Thanks German

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RE: Korean server security?
by Marc Pierrat 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Story here: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=70&ncid=738&e=6&u=/cn/20020… Rules here: http://www.woksdome.org ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Niedens, Travis" <tniedens(a)ebay.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:58:15 -0700 > >A URL for the info would be nice :) > >Travis > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Williams [mailto:brucewms@pacbell.net] >Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 12:01 PM >To: Nanog (E-mail) >Subject: Korean server security? > > > >"April 15 - A Korean company is offering $100,000 in a 48-hour hacking >competition, to be run this week. Korea Digital Works (KDWorks) will launch >the competition, which will involve gaining root access to a server, on >April 16 at 11 a.m. Korean Standard Time." > > >Bruce Willians >Anything not worth doing is not worth doing well - Elias Schwartz > >

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RE: Korean server security?
by Niedens, Travis 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

A URL for the info would be nice :) Travis -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Williams [mailto:brucewms@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 12:01 PM To: Nanog (E-mail) Subject: Korean server security? "April 15 - A Korean company is offering $100,000 in a 48-hour hacking competition, to be run this week. Korea Digital Works (KDWorks) will launch the competition, which will involve gaining root access to a server, on April 16 at 11 a.m. Korean Standard Time." Bruce Willians Anything not worth doing is not worth doing well - Elias Schwartz

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Korean server security?
by Bruce Williams 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

"April 15 A Korean company is offering $100,000 in a 48-hour hacking competition, to be run this week. Korea Digital Works (KDWorks) will launch the competition, which will involve gaining root access to a server, on April 16 at 11 a.m. Korean Standard Time." Bruce Willians Anything not worth doing is not worth doing well - Elias Schwartz

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RE: UUNET service
by Bradley Corner 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Thanks for all the 'wonderful' input. I guess most of you feel that the attitude of UUNET is appropriate. When I read responses on NANOG I am utterly surprised by the total lack of professionalism. I have always prided myself on my education and experience and my Professional attitude towards my peers. I guess I am just being naive. I do agree that the problem is with one of UUNET's customers. I, however, think that UUNET should proactively call there customer to resolve network issues. When I purchase services from a network provider one of my conditions is that they monitor my connection to them and report to me issues that could affect my connection. In fact I feel that they should notify me of problems that persist longer than five minutes. Otherwise my business is affected in an adverse way. Therefore, I feel that they should simply have asked who the problem was with. I would have told them and sent them a traceroute (I feel that more info is better info, my opinion, take it with a grain of salt if you wish.) and they simply would have said 'thank you'. Bradley Corner Northeast Florida Multiple Listing Service, Inc. 7801 Deecreek Club Rd Ste 1 Jacksonville FL 32217 (904) 394-9494 -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Corner [mailto:bac@nefmls.com] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 4:05 PM To: (nanog(a)merit.edu) Subject: UUNET service I tried to notify UUNET at their 800-900-0241 number that there was a loop in their network. They told me that if I didnt have an account with them they were not interested in any information that I may have had for them. I stated that I was just calling so that they could pass the information onto an engineer. He repeated himself saying if you do not have an account with us I will not do anything with the information. I guess they think they run the internet and us small ISPs couldnt possibly know anything... In case someone at UUNET reads this here is the traceroute. ================================================== === VisualRoute report on 12-Apr-02 3:04:18 PM === ================================================== Report for online.mmsi-usa.com [162.33.138.132] Analysis: The routing loop (65.195.230.218 / 162.33.130.4 / 162.33.128.249 / 205.197.182.201 / 162.33.138.129 / 65.195.230.217) starting in hops 12-17 is not allowing IP packets to get to their destination. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- | Hop | %Loss | IP Address | Node Name | Location | Tzone | ms | Graph | Network | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- | 0 | | 10.100.15.40 | BRADLEY.nefmls.com | ... | | | | (private use) | | 1 | | 209.12.49.1 | - | ?Jacksonville, FL 32256 | | 1 | x | Northeast Florida MLS | | 2 | | 206.222.124.121 | - | ?Herndon, VA 20165 | | 3 | x | e.spire Communications, Inc. | | 3 | | 206.222.126.77 | washing2-dc-a5-0-0-10.rt.espire.net | - | | 27 | x-- | e.spire Communications, Inc. | | 4 | | 206.222.127.118 | reston-va-1-pos0-0-0.rt.espire.net | - | | 37 | x--- | e.spire Communications, Inc. | | 5 | | 198.32.187.97 | mae-east-level3.com | Vienna, VA, USA | | 133 | --x- | Exchange Point Blocks | | 6 | | 64.159.18.98 | ae0-54.mp2.Washington1.Level3.net | Washington, DC, USA | -05:00 | 137 | -x--- | Level 3 Communications, Inc. | | 7 | | 64.159.0.110 | so-0-0-0.mp1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net | Philadelphia, PA, USA | -05:00 | 147 | -x------ | Level 3 Communications, Inc. | | 8 | | 64.159.0.150 | gige9-0.hsipaccess2.Philadelphia1.Level3.net | Philadelphia, PA, USA | -05:00 | 137 | -x---- | Level 3 Communications, Inc. | | 9 | | 63.208.101.158 | unknown.Level3.net | - | | 147 | -x------- | Level 3 Communications, Inc. | | 10 | | 162.33.162.25 | 401n--30th-st--phily.coretel.net | ?Annapolis, MD 21401 | | 139 | --x---- | Core Communications, Inc. | | 11 | 10 | 162.33.162.29 | baltamtrak-p.highway.coretel.net | ?Annapolis, MD 21401 | | 146 | -x------ | Core Communications, Inc. | | 12 | | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 142 | -x---- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 13 | | 162.33.130.4 | i97.toad.net | ?Woodbridge, NJ 07095 | | 124 | --x-- | RAM Communications Consultants, Inc. | | 14 | | 162.33.128.249 | tiara-2-balto.ds1.toad.net | ?Woodbridge, NJ 07095 | | 134 | -x---- | RAM Communications Consultants, Inc. | | 15 | | 205.197.182.201 | max2.toad.net | ?Severna Park, MD 21146 | | 146 | -x-- | ToadNet, Inc. | | 16 | | 162.33.138.129 | mmsi-cpe.dsllan.toad.net | ?Woodbridge, NJ 07095 | | 198 | -x--- | RAM Communications Consultants, Inc. | | 17 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 147 | x-- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 18 | 50 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 154 | -x---- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 19 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 154 | -x-- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 20 | 50 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 170 | --x--- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 21 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 131 | -x-- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 22 | 50 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 150 | -x--- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 23 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 159 | -x- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 24 | 50 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 171 | -x--- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 25 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 169 | -x- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 26 | 50 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 188 | -x---- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 27 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 169 | x-- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 28 | 50 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 191 | x----- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 29 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 179 | x--- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 30 | 50 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 188 | -x---- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 31 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 179 | -x-- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 32 | 50 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 163 | x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 33 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 184 | -x- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 34 | 50 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 168 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 35 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 166 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 36 | 50 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 185 | -x- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 37 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 161 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 38 | 60 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 210 | --x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 39 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 152 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 40 | 50 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 167 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 41 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 176 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 42 | 60 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 164 | x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 43 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 173 | x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 44 | 50 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 158 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 45 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 168 | x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 46 | 50 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 166 | x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 47 | 50 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 159 | x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 48 | 60 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 140 | x- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 49 | 60 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 145 | x- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 50 | 60 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 170 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 51 | 70 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 137 | x- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 52 | 60 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 133 | x- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 53 | 60 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 142 | x- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 54 | 60 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 147 | x- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 55 | 60 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 143 | x- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 56 | 60 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 156 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 57 | 60 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 167 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 58 | 60 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 167 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 59 | 60 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 170 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 60 | 60 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 174 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 61 | 70 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 173 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 62 | 60 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 178 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 63 | 60 | 65.195.230.217 | 500.Serial2-11.GW4.BWI1.ALTER.NET | Baltimore, MD, USA | -05:00 | 186 | -x | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | 64 | 60 | 65.195.230.218 | core62007-gw.customer.alter.net | - | | 183 | x- | UUNET Technologies, Inc. | | ... | | | | | | | | | | ? | | 162.33.138.132 | online.mmsi-usa.com | ?Woodbridge, NJ 07095 | | | | RAM Communications Consultants, Inc. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- Roundtrip time to 65.195.230.218, average = 183ms, min = 152ms, max = 210ms -- 12-Apr-02 3:04:18 PM Bradley Corner Northeast Florida Multiple Listing Service, Inc. 7801 Deecreek Club Rd Ste 1 Jacksonville FL 32217 (904) 394-9494

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RE: UUNET service
by Turpin, Mark 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Bradley, I believe you received the appropriate reaction. What I don't agree with is your reaction to the feedback. Every person response addressed the issue, not you as an individual. You however post this, and attack others' professionalism? tsk tsk. Perhaps you should review your standpoint. If you think that UU should change its policies, then call their customer service. /mt -These are my opinions, not my employer's.

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