October 2002 - Test - lists.nanog.org

spam, what to do:)
by Scott Granados 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

My question is this. The company I work for has a no spam policy. Sometimes users do and of course we shut them off. My own feelings asside its what is considered proper in the isp community so we do it with out question. However, what is the best policy and procedure to prevent people from spamming in the first place and secondly if they do and get terminated fix the damage done. I have no desire to support spam or enable spammers but there are bad users and sometimes they do. Any positive advise on dealing with these guys above just turning them off would be helpful.

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verizon routing engineer?
by Scott Granados 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Could a verizon engineer contact me off list. It appears that 69.0.0.0 is filtered still on your network. Thanks Scott

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Re: Who does source address validation? (was Re: what's that smell?)
by Paul Vixie 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

> Just out of interest how do you co-ordinate use of RFC 1918 addresses > and routes amongst your customers? Do you run a registry for them, or > do you just let them fight it out and the one with the biggest packets > wins or something like that? there's a registry. we also maintain IN-ADDR zones for them and encourage the use of "stub" zones in customer name servers in order to direct their queries toward the local RFC1918 registry. now, i'll admit that it took almost two hours to get this working initially, and almost a week for it to settle down, and that the network is small -- only about 50 "customers". but for the last few years no RFC1918-sourced traffic, nor any RFC1918-IN-ADDR DNS query, has egressed from this network. it can't be THAT hard.

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RIR Blueprint for Evolution and Reform of Internet Address Management
by John M. Brown 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

this just out from the RIR's. While political in many areas it does impact operations in how you get IP space and how its managed. http://www.arin.net/nrr-blueprint/ The RIR's are asking for feedback.

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Re: Who does source address validation? (was Re: what's that smell?)
by Stephen Stuart 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

> Loss of ICMP packets generated by links with endpoints numbered in RFC1918 > space. Holes in traceroutes, broken PMTU detection. Sherman, set the Way-Back Machine for August: To: David Schwartz <davids(a)webmaster.com> Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: NSPs filter? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:57:35 PDT." <20020809005740.AAA18472@shell.webmaster.com@whenever> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 18:45:17 -0700 From: Stephen Stuart <stuart(a)tech.org> In August you said it this way: > One thing that sometimes comes up is that people do number links using > RFC1918 address space which occasionally results in an ICMP 'fragmentation > needed but DF bit set' packet with an RFC1918 source address. Filtering out > this packet could result in TCP breaking. I still say this: That can be accomodated; behold, all the joy of PMTUD, with none of the other crap from designated special-use address space: firewall { family inet { filter external-filter { term allow-icmp-unreach { from { protocol icmp; icmp-type unreachable; icmp-code fragmentation-needed; } then { count allow-icmp-need-frag; accept; } } term allow-icmp-timxceed { from { protocol icmp; icmp-type time-exceeded; icmp-code [ ttl-eq-zero-during-transit ttl-eq-zero-during-reassembly ]; } then { count allow-icmp-timxceed; accept; } } term deny-rfc1918 { from { source-address { 10.0.0.0/8; 172.16.0.0/12; 192.168.0.0/16; } } then { count deny-rfc1918; discard; } } term deny-test { from { source-address { 192.0.2.0/24; } } then { count deny-test-net; discard; } } term deny-autoconfig { from { source-address { 169.254.0.0/16; } } then { count deny-autoconfig; discard; } } term LAST { then accept; } } } } Application is left as an exercise to the reader. Stephen

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NMS/ OSS commercial software ?
by m.rapoport＠completel.fr 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Hello, I am working for a service provider based in Europe that sells Internet access, Hosting services,Metro Ethernet Transport and IPSEC VPN (based on a mix of Cisco, Riverstone, and Nortel). For the NMS, we are currently using HP OV and public domain tools (MRTG, Netsaint, and some others). We are considering to deploy several commercial OSS applications to improve the service provided to the customers (performance stats, Extranet SLA reports, percentile usage based billing, ...) and the tools available to our NOC Beside opensource ( that a significant part of you are using, I assume) , I was wondering which commercial applications are used & favored. I have heard about Infovista, Concord, Proviso(Quallaby) for Performance & SLA Reports, and Netcool(Micromuse) for Event & Alarm Correlation. (provisioning tools and mediation tools are not in the scope of our study currently) I found very few information in the nanog archive regarding these products, what is your experience? I would be glad also if some of you have comments regarding the usefulness of CiscoWorks for operating a Cisco IP Backbone (for Cisco network management tools, please send in private, as specific vendor's subjects are off-topic on this list). Best Regards,

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WorldCom Suffers Widespread Internet Outage
by blitz 08 Oct '02

08 Oct '02

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=575&u=/nm/20021003/wr_nm/t… Made the news...

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Re: iBGP next hop and multi-access media
by Ralph Doncaster 08 Oct '02

08 Oct '02

I've already had several direct replies saying to manually configure the 172.16 subnet on router A. Sure, that will work, but I'm looking for a solution that doesn't require manual configuration of all the routers involved. Ralph Doncaster principal, IStop.com

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Implementation practices
by Jason Lixfeld 08 Oct '02

08 Oct '02

Irrd-discuss didn't have anything at all to say about this, so I thought I'd bring it here for a different, practical perspective. I'm wondering what the general concensus is with regards to IRR implementation practices. I've done a little digging and have tried to find practical examples of networks listing their detailed peering sets and detailed aut-num objects to see how their import and export entries look for things like community strings, MEDs, Local-Pref, etc. I haven't had much luck in finding any detailed, practical examples. I can come up with only two conclusions: 1) Security policies for most networks networks likely mandate against disclosing routing policy by means of mirroring your database with RADB. 2) People just don't use the irrd to it's fullest extent, hence no detailed entries. I'd like to think that the former is true :) so if that's the case, what are some of the best practices? Is it just as simple as creating a database which RADB mirrors, containing general maintainer, as and route objects then having a private, un-mirrored/non-exported database containing all the nuts and bolts which you run ratoolset (or other, home made widget) against?

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Re: Who does source address validation? (was Re: what's that smell?)
by Danny McPherson 08 Oct '02

08 Oct '02

> Yes, but if i continue in my ideal situation of people > (mostly) filter their bgp customers, so they won't announce the > 1918 space, or similar. even the large peers filter out each other > so they don't pick up 1918 announcements. Plus people use Robs > "Secure IOS Template" to drop extraneous bgp announcements for > unregistered/unassigned space (from IANA). What you're doing makes plenty of sense, we agree on that. I just wanted to be sure folks understood it doesn't validate "valid" sources. -danny

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