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RE: happy bday IGS-R
by Martin, Christian 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

> I need something to route the Chaos protocols... :) > (leftover symbolics machines... :) > 3 points for knowing which was the last IOS rev that supports > Chaos protoocls. CHAOSnet support ended in SSR 9.2... ./chris

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Re: Using unallocated address space
by smd＠clock.org 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

| could someone please explain the benefit of turning the registries into | internet police forces? Cool, speeding tickets for people with 10Gbps links in production today. We don't need a "police force" per se as much as a functionary who, on behalf of the paying membership of the registry, tries to establish (e.g., with a phone call! or some email!) whether the announcement is a question of simple, honest misconfiguration or misunderstanding, or whether it's deliberate. Moreover, with another couple of phone calls (or email), a deliberately bad announcer can talk with the network(s) immediately upstream from a deliberate bad-announcer and suggest that the membership as a whole would appreciate the installation of strict filters against the bad announcer. If that produces no results, rat out the source and its immediate upstreams to the whole membership. | and the offending party will announce 32 /23s.. what will this solve? Great, so we know that the offending party is not only deliberately announcing bogus data into the routing system, but actually _disrupting_ it. This is what real-life police are for. Sean.

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RE: Systemic problems at Verizon
by Richard Welty 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

Jeff Mcadams <jeffm(a)iglou.com> wrote: > Also sprach Richard Welty > >it takes a very long time for an old ILEC to change, and i'd expect > >that tens or hundreds of mergers can take place without changing the > >behavior of the old line staff out in the field much at all. > I would somewhat contradict that. It hasn't taken GTE long at all to > adopt Bell Atlantic's anti-competitive ways with regard to > provisioning > DSL. i was thinking in terms of changing for the better. there is no question in my mind that the old NYNEX territory still sucks as much as it ever did, and the old Bell-Atlantic certainly deteriorated after the merger. richard

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RE: happy bday IGS-R
by Paul Lantinga 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

Good thing all this is getting archived - it's cool to know some of what was happening out in the trenches back then. My IGS had a sticker on it that said, "Property of Stanford University". It was the router that UUNET placed at the now non-existent eit.com (Enterprise Integration Technologies) and came bundled with a massive rackmounted Cylink csu/dsu. The folks at Cylink thought that I was on crack when I called about a manual for it - the woman on the phone didn't even realize that Cylink had ever made them. Even better was when we changed providers to geo.net and tried to get UUNET to come pick up the router and csu/dsu. They were decidedly not excited about having it back in their inventory and refused to come and take it back. Anyway, it's hard to say who won the most points... most people got the GI reference and nearly everyone who responded privately had worked on rev's much older than what I have - ack! even version 6.x! Thanks to all for the thread. -Paul LANtinga Q9 Networks.

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RE: Systemic problems at Verizon
by Richard Welty 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

Sean Donelan <sean(a)donelan.com> wrote: > Verizon is continuing to have network problems. ... > Are things as bad in Verizon country as they got in Ameritech country? > Eventually the various state PUC's had to intervene in Ameritech's > service problems. it would seem to vary depending on the ILEC/RBOC ancestry of various parts of Verizon. the old NYNEX (New York/New England) is bloody awful; the old Bell Atlantic (mid Atlantic) perhaps not so bad, and some of the old GTE-owned ILECs were not good at all. it takes a very long time for an old ILEC to change, and i'd expect that tens or hundreds of mergers can take place without changing the behavior of the old line staff out in the field much at all. richard

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Re: Digging in warm climates
by Sean Donelan 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

Sorry, I meant the other texas capital, Austin. On Fri, 16 February 2001, Sean Donelan wrote: > It seems like the backhoes are still active in the warm climates. UUNET > lost a fiber tonight around Dallas/Forth Worth, and ATT had a cable cut > last friday near San Antonio. > > Who is still planting fiber? I thought Level3, Qwest and IXC(Broadwing) > had all finished their builds. Is there a new one?

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Digging in warm climates
by Sean Donelan 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

It seems like the backhoes are still active in the warm climates. UUNET lost a fiber tonight around Dallas/Forth Worth, and ATT had a cable cut last friday near San Antonio. Who is still planting fiber? I thought Level3, Qwest and IXC(Broadwing) had all finished their builds. Is there a new one?

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BGP deployment and peering questions
by Pyda Srisuresh 15 Feb '01

15 Feb '01

Hi, I have a couple of questions concerning BGP deployment. I would appreciate any feedback from folks knowledged in the deployment. Thanks very much. 1. What is the maximum no. of peers a core-BGP peers with externally? What is a good average or median number? How does this vary with Tier-1 BGP speakers vs. Tier-2 BGP speakers? Also, What is an average no. of peers a BGP border router multi-homes with? (Do not include Border routers with a single ISP peer - only the multi-homed border routers) 2. I understand, an AS by itself does not originate more than 10,000 (UUnet being the one with this many) subnets. But, I believe, when you peer with a tier-1 ISP BGP speaker, you will get AS Paths for the entire 90,000+ routes (or whatever the maximum core routing tabel size is) exchanged at BGP connection setup time. On the other hand, I believe, the number of routes exchanged to be much less when you peer with a tier-2 BGP. What is a resonable average size of routing entries you could expect from a tier-2 ISP (and even a Tier-1 ISP, for that matter)? 3. Do yo have an estimate of memory requirements for some of the core routers (peering with tier-1 ISPs or tier-2 ISPs)? Is there a relation with the number of BGP peers? Thanks. Regards, suresh ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: happy bday IGS-R
by Walter Prue 15 Feb '01

15 Feb '01

> From: John Payne <john(a)sackheads.org> ... > > Umm, when Cisco bought IBM's router division, didn't they take on the support > contracts for those routers? > > The IBM 2210 had a lot of Proteon history... Well the Cisco had a lot of Proteon in it too. You could take a Proteon chassis pull out the processor, slap in a Cisco processor and use Proteons serial and ethernet cards, boot and run. Both Cisco and Proteon used the same multibus and bought interface boards from a third party vendor if I remember it right. Walt

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Re: Using unallocated address space
by Sean Donelan 15 Feb '01

15 Feb '01

On Thu, 15 February 2001, Alan Hannan wrote: > In this scenario you outline, combined with your proposal of > a registry announcing 'black-holing routes' -- what compels > the ISP to accept and act upon the routing announcement? > > And how does this different situation protect them from the > lawsuits you suggest below? What "compels" ISPs to filter 0.0.0.0/255.255.255.255 from their peers and not to announce it to their peers? I believe Paul Vixie is having a BOF at NANOG to discuss best practices between ISPs. And now that I don't operate a network, I've thought about publishing my full peering agreement as a template.

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