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Three months until circuits repaired
by Sean Donelan 01 Oct '01

01 Oct '01

How many people still have circuits outside of New York City down? I've heard Worldcom is telling people they won't have everything repaired before December 31. Is this similar for all carriers?

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Provider Bypass
by Christopher Wolff 01 Oct '01

01 Oct '01

Dear List: I have a customer that has a 3 meg link into my backbone providers network. Unfortunately they are not getting anywhere near 3 megs between their 3 meg link and my 100meg direct connect over this backbone network. (Lucky to get 1 meg) The existing provider is 'reluctant to reroute traffic over a more optimal link for 1 customer'. (I'll keep my venting to myself on this one..) Lets say I add another provider that has a peering point 12ms away from this customer. Is it possible to route this traffic through the alternative provider? I guess the easy solution would be to advertise only this customers specific network to the alternative provider. I know this is a vague question, just would appreciate some opinions and thoughts. Regards, Christopher Wolff, VP, CIO Broadband Labs http://www.bblabs.com

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RE: Exodus "locking down" customer gear due to bankruptcy?
by Allen Baragar 01 Oct '01

01 Oct '01

10.1. Termination For Cause. Either party may terminate this Agreement if: (i) the other party breaches any material term or condition of this Agreement and fails to cure such breach within thirty (30) days after receipt of written notice of the same, except in the case of failure to pay fees, which must be cured within five (5) days after receipt of written notice from Exodus; (ii) the other party becomes the subject of a voluntary petition in bankruptcy or any voluntary proceeding relating to insolvency, receivership, liquidation, or composition for the benefit of creditors; or (iii) the other party becomes the subject of an involuntary petition in bankruptcy or any involuntary proceeding relating to insolvency, receivership, liquidation, or composition for the benefit of creditors, if such petition or proceeding is not dismissed within sixty (60) days of filing. Customer may also terminate this Agreement for cause in accordance with the terms set forth in paragraph 5.2(f) ("Termination Option For Chronic Problems") of this Agreement. So unless they have changed the agreement or this was a special agreement for us, then the clients can vacate. Allen Baragar C.C.A. Technical Analyst - Hosting Bridgeway Software, Inc. Abaragar(a)Bridge-way.com 713.599.8361 -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Christopher A. Woodfield Sent: October 01, 2001 04:52 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Exodus "locking down" customer gear due to bankruptcy? I've heard anecdotal evidence that Exodus has a clause buried in at least some of their contracts that effectively prohibits the customer from removing their equipment from their facilities in the event of bankruptcy. Not the customer filing Ch. 7/11, but EXODUS going bankrupt. Furthermore, it appears that as they have indeed filed Chapter 11, they are actively enforcing this, at least at their Northern Virginia facility. Has anyone else heard of this or been affected by this? Exodus customers, can any of you look up your contracts and see if you can dig this up? I'm interested in hearing the exact language, if it is indeed a standard clause...I'm thinking there's no way that this could be enforceable, although it would probably take a TRO to get them to let customers claim their gear. -Chris --------------------------- Christopher A. Woodfield rekoil(a)semihuman.com PGP Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB887618B

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Long haul latency calculation?
by Christopher Wolff 01 Oct '01

01 Oct '01

Dear Nanog: I was wondering if there is a benchmark for long-haul circuit latency... For example if I had a T1 circuit with 2900 miles between the two end-points (and assuming the provider is best case scenario) can I do something like (miles*latencyfactor) = 5 ms for 2900 miles? Thanks, Christopher

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NYCwireless Bandwidth Relief Effort
by Anthony Townsend 01 Oct '01

01 Oct '01

Hi all. Please forward this information to anyone you know who can benefit. we're having trouble reaching businesses and organization in need. ----- NYCwireless Bandwidth Relief Effort NYCwireless is working to set up temporary wireless connections between bandwidth donors in SoHo and TriBeCa to disconnected buildings and organizations in the Financial District and lower Manhattan. Ideal candidates have: -An unobstructed view of SoHo, Village, or TriBeCa or Rooftop access -A willingness to pay for equipment on your end ($200-400) Contact: Anthony Townsend, NYCwireless Call 212-998-7502 lv msg Anthony(a)nycwireless.net / www.nycwireless.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com

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Disaster recovery follow up
by Dom Robinson 01 Oct '01

01 Oct '01

Folks, Having had my own (albeit politically insignificant) email disaster I have lost the dialogue I was in with a number of you further to the previoud posting (below). Could any of you I was in contact with please come back to me resend me your previous emails (and indeed any other comments of input any of you have) to d2(a)d2consulting.co.uk My apologies and thanks in advance, Dom (Previous message inserted) --------- Hey folks. I have been commissioned to research disaster recovery after the effects of Sept 11 on the major IP networks for an article in UK trade Magazine ISP World. Presumably any further dialog may be best kept out of NANOG lists, so please reply direct to me (unless you guys feel discussion here is relevant) at d2(a)d2consulting.co.uk I was wondering if any wizards may have some quotable comments etc as to what (if anything) occurred that day to the Internet, and what was done to rectify any problems... Any feedback would be warmly received, Thanks in advance Dom ------------ Dom Robinson : D2 Consulting ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 'data in motion' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ IP Distribution Consultancy eMail: d2(a)d2consulting.co.uk www.d2consulting.co.uk

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slightly OT : versign complaint department
by Bohdan Tashchuk 01 Oct '01

01 Oct '01

> i've been trying to add a pgp key to the verisign/netsol database for the > past two weeks. i've sent four messages, opened three web help requests, > and spent three hours on the phone with their helpdesk. they know less > than their customers about their own procedures and web documentation for > adding keys for PGP guardian auth. > i guess this is the problem with government sanctioned monopolies. Heh, heh, you can always complain to ICANN, another govt sanctioned monopoly. The REGISTRY is a monopoly. You have your choice of REGISTRARS. Melbourne IT is the registrar for my two (wow, whoopie!, two) domains. I can access inww.com site thru my browser, using a supposedly "secure" connection. The certificate presented by Melbourne IT is signed by Verisign! :-) It takes me 2 minutes to make a change, not two weeks. Let's not debate the limitations of this alternate security proceedure or this will be more than "slightly" off topic. > i'd like to do something about it. Vote with your dollars and with your feet. Change registrars. I apologize if you *ARE* are a registrar trying to deal with the registry. In that case, bend over and grab your ankles. Because you're getting screwed and there's nothing you can do about it. > does anybody know if there is a formal board or governing group that i can > send my grievances to? For $35 Melbourne IT will solve your problem. :-) Seriously, people, I can't for the life of me understand why anyone continues to do business with NetSol if there are so many better alternatives. Let NetSol execs cry over their $40 stock price, wishing it was back over $200. In the meantime let them know thru their pocketbooks that they should spend less time calculating the value of their stock options and spend more time running their business in a customer friendly manner. If everyone voted with their dollars, then NetSol would quickly improve or VRSN would soon be a $4 stock. Because that's about all it would be worth if their only revenue source was their govt mandated $6 "wholesale" registration fee. BTW I chose Melbourne IT because of their plain language domain name registration agreement. None of this crap about the registrar being able to change the terms at will. Only ICANN can do that to me.

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Static IP use to accelerate
by Hank Nussbacher 01 Oct '01

01 Oct '01

http://www.teledotcom.com/article/TEL20010829S0015 Static Electricity ISPs offer static IP addresses for residential DSL service -Hank

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Re: Long haul latency calculation?
by rs＠seastrom.com 30 Sep '01

30 Sep '01

rs(a)seastrom.com (Robert E. Seastrom) writes: > light. in glass, this is 200 million kilometers per second, plus or 200 million meters (not kilometers) per second. But what's a few orders of magnitude between friends? ---rob

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Re: Long haul latency calculation?
by rs＠seastrom.com 30 Sep '01

30 Sep '01

"Christopher Wolff" <chris(a)bblabs.com> writes: > Dear Nanog: > I was wondering if there is a benchmark for long-haul circuit > latency... For example if I had a T1 circuit with 2900 miles > between the two end-points (and assuming the provider is best case > scenario) can I do something like (miles*latencyfactor) = 5 ms for > 2900 miles? it's gonna be a lot more than 5ms for 2900 miles. muxes and bit regens introduce a tiny amount of delay. there's delay for clocking the packet onto and off of the circuit (which becomes less significant as the speed of the circuit goes up, but is still a couple of milliseconds each way on a t1). remember that airline miles and road miles have nothing to do with circuit miles, and it is not uncommon to see a circuit go from dc to san francisco via new york, chicago, dallas, and los angeles. anyway, on a 2900 mile circuit the big delay factor is the speed of light. in glass, this is 200 million kilometers per second, plus or minus. that means you will never ever ever see less than 23 milliseconds each way. 46 for a ping. i would say that for a t1 circuit between two places 2900 miles apart anything under 70 ms is just dandy. ---rob

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