January 2001 - Test - lists.nanog.org

RE: Second day of rolling blackouts starts
by Michael 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Your analysis ignores the profits received by the utilities when they sold the power plants to the generators at large multiples over book values over the last 4 years. * ---------------------------------------------------- * Michael Brunson ScanType Corporation * +1 (760) 438-5125 FAX: +1 (760) 438-4956 * "Services for the electronic ,WEB, and paper Publisher" * mbrunson(a)scantype.com http://www.scantype.com -----Original Message----- From: Roeland Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:45 AM To: 'Sean Donelan'; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: Second day of rolling blackouts starts Last night, on the news, I saw a clip of Grey Davis stating that he'd met with the four largest generator operator in the state. He emphatically stated that they (the operators) had said that they would force PG&E into bankruptcy unless they were paid, by mid-night, tonight. Grey Davis was trying to justify state bail-out of PG&E. The news commentator didn't otherwise reference that comment, but made some disparaging remarks about PG&E. The News station put it in the same context of the folks encouraging PG&E customers to not pay their bills. Basically, blaming PG&E for the problem. Note that; PG&E wouldn't owe such a larg sum if the generator charges (not costs) hadn't gone up over 700% in the past three months. PG&E is prevented from passing on their cost by law. Generator charges currently exceed allowed end-user rates by two orders of magnitude. There is plenty of generator capacity, if they would simply bring them online. AQMD (Air Quality Management District) is one excuse for keeping a healthy generator offline. Comment: What's wrong with this picture? I see the generators, holding a shotgun at PG&E's neck, and telling the state that they'll pull the triggers if the state doesn't come up with the dough. They're not even wearing a mask! Yet, no one is seeing anything wrong with this and they're acting like it's PG&E's fault. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Donelan [mailto:sean@donelan.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 9:58 AM > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Second day of rolling blackouts starts > > > > California ISO has ordered a second day of rolling blackouts. > Following > the written emergency operations order, the blackouts will begin with > the next blocks in each utility's EOP. This means people who > experienced > a rolling blackout first yesterday, are last on the list > today. People > who did not experience a blackout yesterday move up the list. > > > > >

1 0

Rolling blackouts and CAISO status
by Richard A. Steenbergen 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

CAISO just ended a morning press conference which I don't believe any major media organization followed fully. Some of the specifics they gave were: Of the 11,000 megawatts which are currently offline, 4,000 megawatts are offline due to maintanance of plants, and 7,000 megawatts are offline due to "forced outages". Of the forced outages, 2,000 megawatts are offline due to lack of water for hydroelectric generators. One of the major reasons given for today's rolling blackouts being a) worse then yesterday, b) so much earlier and at a lower load is that yesterday they used today and tomorrow's water resources for hydroelectric plants in order to keep blackouts minimized yesterday. They are anticipating reducing the rolling blackouts to 500 megawatts for the duration of the business day due to a larger then anticipated impact from power conversation requests. However, the peak power usage which begins at 5pm, maxes at 6pm, and lasts until 10pm, is expected to cause large rolling blackouts potentially from 6-9pm in both northern and southern California. They are also anticipating 3000-4000 megawatts coming back online in upcoming weeks, but only 28,000 megawatts are actually being generated within California so the struggle to import power from outside generators will continue. The next ISO press conference will occur at 1pm this afternoon. -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras(a)e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/humble PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)

1 0

RE: Second day of rolling blackouts starts
by Zaid Ali 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Any idea which was the last block? Zaid -----Original Message----- From: Sean Donelan [mailto:sean@donelan.com] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 9:58 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Second day of rolling blackouts starts California ISO has ordered a second day of rolling blackouts. Following the written emergency operations order, the blackouts will begin with the next blocks in each utility's EOP. This means people who experienced a rolling blackout first yesterday, are last on the list today. People who did not experience a blackout yesterday move up the list.

5 4

RE: Second day of rolling blackouts starts
by matthew＠tycho.net 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

You're skipping the part where... > PG&E is prevented from passing on their cost by law. Generator charges > currently exceed allowed end-user rates by two orders of magnitude. is because PG&E made a deal with the legislature and the CPUC in which they accepted frozen consumer rates in trade for other concessions that resulted in large profits and other transition charges which have been passed on to, and are still in the pockets of, the parent holding company. at the time, the frozen rates were *above* their cost, and they were betting on a future cost structure that would result in huge profits for them and their parent. this, in my opinion, is no different from *any other* gamble one makes in business management. sometimes big bets pay off... and other times, you're so wrong that you're forced into bankruptcy. perhaps the state should step in and bail out Northpoint, who bet on the Verizon deal going through. or any number of other dot com businesses that gambled and lost. -matthew kaufman Tycho Networks/DSL.net matthew(a)tycho.net

2 1

RE: Second day of rolling blackouts starts
by Miles Fidelman 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Roeland Meyer wrote: > What's wrong with this picture? I see the generators, holding a shotgun at > PG&E's neck, and telling the state that they'll pull the triggers if the > state doesn't come up with the dough. They're not even wearing a mask! Yet, > no one is seeing anything wrong with this and they're acting like it's > PG&E's fault. Is the situation any different in the LA area, where Los Angelas Water and Power is city-owned, and they own a big chunk of their own hydro capacity (or were they forced to divest that)> Miles Fidelman ************************************************************************** The Center for Civic Networking PO Box 600618 Miles R. Fidelman, President & Newtonville, MA 02460-0006 Director, Municipal Telecommunications Strategies Program 617-558-3698 fax: 617-630-8946 mfidelman(a)civicnet.org http://civic.net/ccn.html Information Infrastructure: Public Spaces for the 21st Century Let's Start With: Internet Wall-Plugs Everywhere Say It Often, Say It Loud: "I Want My Internet!" **************************************************************************

1 0

Second day of rolling blackouts starts
by Sean Donelan 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

California ISO has ordered a second day of rolling blackouts. Following the written emergency operations order, the blackouts will begin with the next blocks in each utility's EOP. This means people who experienced a rolling blackout first yesterday, are last on the list today. People who did not experience a blackout yesterday move up the list.

1 0

Re: Solarmax effects
by Sean Donelan 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

On Thu, 18 January 2001, Shawn McMahon wrote: > The primary expected effect of "solarmax" flare activity is that Sean > Donelan will have to buy a new keyboard, because he'll wear out his > old one. Solor activity has some affect on the electrical grid and on satellites. However, the folks operating the layer 0 and layer 1 facilities usually do their jobs well enough it rarely has any noticable affect on the upper layers. The most noticible affect for most network operators is they get some extra static or sparkles on their CNN monitor in the NOC.

1 0

Solarmax effects
by Shawn McMahon 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

The primary expected effect of "solarmax" flare activity is that Sean Donelan will have to buy a new keyboard, because he'll wear out his old one. If you have any spares you'd like to contribute, send them to me and I'll make sure Sean (or someone who's name sounds the same) gets them.

1 0

RE: California -- STAGE 3 POWER EMERGENCY... AGAIN
by Karyn Ulriksen 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Been keeping an eye on CAISO since last summer. They seem to be on some type of access timer. Never can get in there during the wee morning. Not sure at what time they open the gates. As for the SystemStatus loggings. These are good for identifying which alert level, but you need to go to the "Newsroom" link to see the latest updates, i.e., announcements about rolling blackouts etc. K > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy [mailto:garlic@garlic.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 7:53 AM > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: California -- STAGE 3 POWER EMERGENCY... AGAIN > > > > > The site works for me but it's pretty useless. According the > system status > pages, the CAISO did not order any load shedding yesterday. > The last item was > the Stage 3 alert for 0MW of "involuntary" reduction. > > Roy Engehausen > > > > Kurt Kayser wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 07:29:11AM -0800, Matt Clauson wrote: > > > > > > from the California Independent System Operator website, at: > > > http://www.caiso.com/awe/systemstatus.html > > > > Somehow this site seems to answer no more.. Intention or > coincidence? :-) > > > > ... > > PING www.caiso.com (216.102.102.66) from 10.2.0.140 : > 56(84) bytes of data. > > --- www.caiso.com ping statistics --- > > 18 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss > > > > Ping california power - no answer > > > > Sorry, couldn't resist.. > > > > Kurt > > -- > > noris network AG * tel +49 911 93 52-0 * internet > > Kilianstraße 142 * fax +49 911 93 52-100 * solution > > 90425 Nürnberg * http://www.noris.net * provider > >

2 1

SOLARMAX and Power Interruptions
by Karyn Ulriksen 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

I recently saw the documentary Solarmax at Portland's OmniMax theatre, which was very interesting (not too mention a great ride in omnimax theatre!). The documentary on the sun outlined the impact of solar flares, especially the ones that occur every 11 years when the sun reverse rotation. The last one, 11 years ago, affected power grids and satellite systems (then in toddler stage). Does anyone have any information on the expected impact of this year's solarmax on power grids and satellite communication? Or was the documentary more hype than fact? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Best regards, Karyn Ulriksen Director of Network Operations PublicHost, A SiteStream Company 1 Jenner, Suite 100 Irvine, California 92618 USA Phone: (949) 743-2000 email: kulriksen(a)publichost.com URL: http://www.publichost.com ===========================================

1 0