September 1998 - Test - lists.nanog.org

Agenda topics so far
by Susan R. Harris 27 Sep '98

27 Sep '98

Greetings - here are topics we've lined up so far for the Atlanta meeting. Watch for updates at: www.nanog.org/mtg-9811/topics.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - ISP Backbones and Caching: Case Studies from Large-Scale Deployment in the Field (Panel moderated by Peter Danzig, Network Appliance) - Router Update: Fast Packet Forwarding and Packet Treatment for Differentiated Services (Panel moderated by Curtis Villamizer, ANS) - Alternative Interconnects: Technology, Attachment Requirements, and Performance Measurements (Panel moderated by Bill Manning, ISI) - Updates from the GigaPoPs - Multicast/MBGP: Real-Life Experiences in the Field (Panel moderated by Dave Meyer, Cisco) Steve Rubin, AboveNet Dorian Kim, Verio Doug Pasko, Cable & Wireless Henry Killmer/Danielle Deibler, DIGEX Jian Li, Kwest - ARIN Update (Kim Hubbard, ARIN) Are there other topics you'd like to hear about? If so, please send e-mail to nanog-support(a)merit.edu. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Susan R. Harris, Ph.D. Merit Network, Inc. Phone: 734.936.2100 srh(a)merit.edu Senior Science Writer Fax: 734.647.3185 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Fractals Reemerge in the New Math of the Internet
by Scott Bradner 27 Sep '98

27 Sep '98

ftp://thumper.bellcore.com/pub/dvw/sigcom* --- >From errors-nohumans(a)merit.edu Sun Sep 27 11:03:28 1998 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:48:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "M. David Leonard" <mdl(a)equinox.shaysnet.com> Subject: Re: Fractals Reemerge in the New Math of the Internet To: Hank Nussbacher <hank(a)ibm.net.il> cc: nanog(a)merit.edu In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980927072140.006bb650(a)monster.ibm.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > Worth reading: > > Fractals Reemerge in the New Math of the Internet > by Gary Taubes > Science Magazine, Volume 281, Number 5385 Issue of 25 Sep 1998, pp. 1947 - 1948 > NANOG: Does anyone have citations on the fractal statistics of Internet traffic? Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, David Leonard

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just fyi -- domainspace.com has been RBL'd
by Paul A Vixie 26 Sep '98

26 Sep '98

as soon as i got my very own personalized spam concerning their offer to add a domain to ".CC" for me, we blackholed all of their mail and web servers. since NANOG was discussing this a few days ago i thought i'd better chime in.

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Re: Your class 'B' address space (fwd)
by howland＠Priss.com 26 Sep '98

26 Sep '98

Dear Nanog, What a fascinating "To:" list this gentleman used. Did the ARIN database get "shrinkwrapped" or the like? Something for your spam filters... Curt- ----- Forwarded message from Curt Howland ----- > From mvickers(a)real.com Fri Sep 25 11:30:34 1998 > X-Sender: mvickers(a)mail.prognet.com > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:25:58 -0700 > To: mattmorr(a)WPDIS01.WPAFB.AF.MIL, omartin(a)DXCOMS.CERN.CH, roediger(a)CISCO.COM, > krugg(a)GOLDHILL.COM, grim(a)UDEL.EDU, dennis(a)NETMAN.ENS.TEK.COM, > christy(a)UB.COM, roediger(a)CISCO.COM, rasar(a)ENTERACT.COM, > jtcejs(a)CC.UTAH.EDU, roediger(a)CISCO.COM, SABNIS(a)ccsalpha2.nrl.navy.mil, > dave.conigliaro(a)USAR.MHS.CIBA.COM, fordyce(a)CSC.TI.COM, > joe_kretz(a)FMC.COM, rerogers(a)CHRYSLER.COM, carrhill(a)NYU.EDU, > eddingsk(a)APPLE.COM, DCMWOOD(a)SPOT.COLORADO.EDU, kendrick(a)LANL.GOV, > trall(a)ALMADEN.IBM.COM, nrt(a)WATSON.IBM.COM, dcheney(a)AUSTIN.IBM.COM, > ganis(a)VNET.IBM.COM, support(a)GARLIC.COM, jack(a)CRYPTNET.ORG, > rmay%cornelld.bitnet(a)JADE.Berkeley.EDU, NSIOPS(a)NSIPO.NASA.GOV, > nancy-wells(a)PAFB.AF.MIL, paul.sand(a)SRS.GOV, petragna(a)SJU.EDU, > john.henschel(a)MAIL.HCSC.COM, jenny.yordy(a)FRCO.COM, hostmaster(a)OX.COM, > lm-nic(a)LMCO.COM, James.Whiteley(a)WAN.CWOMNES.NET > From: Mark Vickers <mvickers(a)real.com> > Subject: Your class 'B' address space > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset="us-ascii"> > Content-Length: 292 > > You appear to have a class B net that isn't reachable from my site, or > perhaps your net is entirely behind a fire wall? > > Anyway, I'm wondering if you want to try to sell your class -B address > space? > > Best price someone has offered me so far was $200,000 > > Mark Vickers > RealNetworks, Inc. > > > ----- End of forwarded message from Curt Howland -----

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Re: Whois on CDROM
by brandon＠rd.bbc.co.uk 26 Sep '98

26 Sep '98

> They *were* planning to release the whois database on CDROM. That is, > until the story got posted on http://slashdot.org and they got hit by the > "Slashdot Effect". Didn't stop the spam about it though, I got a few of these:- ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From sammy(a)technotrade.com Wed Sep 23 05:17:28 1998 Received: from bbcgate.bbc.co.uk by sunf0.rd.bbc.co.uk; Wed, 23 Sep 98 05:17:27 BST Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by bbcgate.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id FAA29405 for <brandon(a)rd.bbc.co.uk>; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 05:17:25 +0100 (BST) From: sammy(a)technotrade.com Received: from mail.earthlink.net (1Cust100.tnt2.sdg1.da.uu.net [208.250.122.100]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA12849; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809230416.VAA12849(a)goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> To: massmail_to_admins(a)technotrade.com Date: Wed, 23 Sep 98 21:13:51 EST Subject: InterNIC Email Addresses CD: $249 NOW AVAILABLE: Every email address of every domain admin/tech/billing contact on the internet! Only $249: http://domainsondisk.com or http://domainsondisc.com Domains On Disc is the most up-to-date, complete and searchable list of contact information for every registered .com, .net, .edu and .org domain name on the Internet. You may now email offers for your products/services to 100,000's of prospects for pennies... GUERILLA MARKETING AT ITS FINEST!!!!!!!!!! The internet will never be the same again! ----- End Included Message -----

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The Cidr Report
by Tony Bates 25 Sep '98

25 Sep '98

This is an auto-generated mail on Fri Sep 25 12:00:00 PDT 1998 It is not checked before it leaves my workstation. However, hopefully you will find this report interesting and will take the time to look through this to see if you can improve the amount of aggregation you perform. The report is split into sections: 0) General Status List the route table history for the last week, list any possibly bogus routes seen and give some status on ASes. 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level This lists the "Top 30" players who if they decided to aggregate their announced classful prefixes at the origin AS level could make a significant difference in the reduction of the current size of the Internet routing table. This calculation does not take into account the inclusion of holes when forming an aggregate so it is possible even larger reduction should be possible. 2) Weekly Delta A summary of the last weeks changes in terms of withdrawn and added routes. Please note that this is only a snapshot but does give some indication of ASes participating in CIDR. Clearly, it is generally a good thing to see a large amont of withdrawls. 3) Interesting aggregates Interesting here means not an aggregate made as a set of classful routes. Thanks to xara.net for giving me access to their routing tables once a day. Please send any comments about this report directly to me. Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report.html for a daily update of this report. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CIDR REPORT for 25Sep98 0) General Status Table History ------------- Date Prefixes 180998 52123 190998 51991 200998 51978 210998 52066 220998 51837 230998 51717 240998 51971 250998 51953 Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr.plot.html for a plot of the table history. Possible Bogus Routes --------------------- AS Summary ---------- Number of ASes in routing system: 4041 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix: 1941 (1013 cidr, 928 classful) Largest number of cidr routes: 341 announced by AS3561 Largest number of classful routes: 948 announced by AS701 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level --- 25Sep98 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsCIDR NetGain % Gain Description AS271 349 151 198 56.7% BCnet Backbone AS4293 418 245 173 41.4% IMCI AS3749 232 72 160 69.0% TECNET AS2493 362 206 156 43.1% iSTAR Internet, Inc. AS701 948 817 131 13.8% Alternet AS174 699 569 130 18.6% Performance Systems International AS4200 188 96 92 48.9% AGIS (Apex Global Information Ser AS5668 127 40 87 68.5% Century Telephone Inc. AS4755 124 47 77 62.1% Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. India AS7046 246 170 76 30.9% UUNET-CUSTOMER AS2685 224 148 76 33.9% IBM Global Network - US AS3804 230 157 73 31.7% Bell Solutions AS3221 118 45 73 61.9% EENet Autonomous System AS4740 395 334 61 15.4% Ozemail Pty Ltd (ASN-OZEMAIL) AS8517 124 72 52 41.9% ULAKNET-ASN AS549 197 147 50 25.4% ONet Backbone AS6335 69 20 49 71.0% NTRNET AS72 87 39 48 55.2% Schlumberger Information Network AS1239 541 494 47 8.7% SprintLink Backbone AS803 77 33 44 57.1% SaskNet Backbone AS7122 122 80 42 34.4% MTS ADVANCED Network Policy AS7545 104 63 41 39.4% TPG Internet Pty Ltd AS4539 68 28 40 58.8% NETROPOLIS AS852 160 121 39 24.4% AGT Advance Communication AS1221 310 271 39 12.6% AARNET-AS AS6181 67 29 38 56.7% FUSE-NET AS10459 46 9 37 80.4% WANSASN AS10928 87 51 36 41.4% UNKNOWN AS2707 64 31 33 51.6% WEC AS1273 62 29 33 53.2% ECRC Network For the rest of the previous weeks gain information please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html 2) Weekly Delta Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report 3) Interesting aggregates Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report

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4q98 in-addr.audit notice
by bmanning＠ISI.EDU 25 Sep '98

25 Sep '98

Hello, I am sorry for duplicates that you may receive. This is to let you know that I will be starting the next quarter sweep of the in-addr.arpa tree on 03 oct 1998. I'd appreciate it if you would review http://www.isi.edu/div7/people/bmanning.home/in-addr-audit.html for details. Specifically, I'd appreciate your adding the two referenced probes to your xfernets directives so that a valid audit may proceed. The run may take as long as 600 wall-clock hours. The results will be posted to the web page. A target for this audit run is to attempt to identify DNS version distribution. If there are any questions, please feel free to contact me. If there are others that you feel should be aware, forward the information on to them and/or me. Thank you for your consideration. --bill

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Sat phones
by Sean Donelan 24 Sep '98

24 Sep '98

>Nope, get a sat-phone, some wood & wet blankets, semephore flags, a mirror and >brush up on you Moris code. .. (after reading up on tsunami threats for >the So.Cal. area over the weekend :) Sat phones, smoke signals, and visual signals each have their own failure modes. Rain-fade affects most of them. Each may be a useful addition to your existing set of communication tools. None are perfect substitutes for other types of telecommunication systems. Amateur radio may be used to support life and safety operations, but not commercial business. I'm still waiting for the time-warp telephone, for calling before the event happens. But the causality loops lead to all sorts of paradoxes. What if you go back in time and prevent Catapiller from building the backhoe? With no excavating equipment what would have buried the fiber? So there would be no fiber to get dug up, and no reason to stop the backhoe from being built. Which .... -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Alternative sources for Cisco memory?
by Joseph Thomas 24 Sep '98

24 Sep '98

I received prices for upgrading RAM memory in both a Cisco 7000 and Cisco 7500. Ouch! My question is: the 7000 appears to accept standard 30pin SIMMs while the 7500 accepts 72pin SIMMs. Since I can purchase lifetime memory (60ns, true parity) for orders of magnatiude less, why shouldn't I? Has anyone really tried this? Other than Cisco claiming that future problems are related to the non-Cisco memory I installed, what problems might I encounter? Are there less-expensive "Cisco certified" memory dealers? Thanks. -- Joseph Thomas E/Mail: jpt(a)networkcs.com Network Computing Services, Inc. jpt(a)magic.net 1200 Washington Ave So. Tel: +1 612 337 3558 Minneapolis, MN 55415-1227 FAX: +1 612 337 3400 An elephant is a mouse with an operating system.

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Re: Alternative sources for Cisco memory?
by Jeff Mayzurk 24 Sep '98

24 Sep '98

> > I received prices for upgrading RAM memory in both a Cisco 7000 > > and Cisco 7500. Ouch! > > > You sure can, most providers upgrade the memory on their ciscos with 3rd > party RAM, the cisco stuff just cost to much. I dont know of "Cisco > certified" memory dealers, but just buying decent RAM from any good vender > should be fine. Kingston makes RAM for Cisco, including the 7500. I don't know if it's Cisco-approved (doubt it), but Kingston quality is generally good and it costs less than half of what Cisco charges. http://www.kingston.com/ -Jeff -- Jeff Mayzurk Manager, Systems/Network Engineering <jeffm(a)eonline.com> E! Online 150 Chestnut Street 415.772.3555 x4496 San Francisco, CA 94111 415.984.0322 FAX

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