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Re: This may sound like a stupid question, but.....
by Sean Donelan 05 Nov '98

05 Nov '98

>Does anyone know if there is a telephony network operators group out there? >And how I could go about joining it? It's not that I don't like the company >of you fine people, but I haven't the FOGGIEST idea of what the *HELL* you >are talking about. And I really would dig being able to trade the sort of >(obviously important, even to a computer network idjit like me!) information >with people that speak MY language. Irregardless of what they say, telephone companies don't seem to cooperate much better than ISPs. ATIS sponsors a number of committees that are often compared to the function of NANOG. The closest used to be the Network Operators Forum, now called Network Interconnection Interoperability Forum. None are really designed for the real-time exchange of information. Of course, any real-time telephony information about outages may be welcome on NANOG. You'll discover that mailing lists tend to be about whatever the participants want to make it. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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RE: digex smurf amplifiers
by Diana Welborn 05 Nov '98

05 Nov '98

Is this NOC as in Computers or NOC as in Telephony? -----Original Message----- From: Jared Mauch [mailto:jared@puck.nether.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 8:47 AM To: Alan Hannan; Dan Hollis Cc: 'nanog(a)merit.edu' Subject: Re: digex smurf amplifiers Now would be a good time for me to re-plug my NOC list. http://puck.nether.net/netops/nocs.html This has contact information for Various Network Operations Centers. Please let me know if you have any contributions to the list. - jared On Mon, Nov 02, 1998 at 09:51:53PM -0800, Alan Hannan wrote: > > > Ok who do I talk to at digex to get their smurf amplifiers closed. > > I have a ticket open with them since Oct 21. > > noc(a)digex.net would be a good start. Then > escalate within their company. Same > as any other noc or company with a problem. > > Contrary to popular opinion, nanog is not the > default destination for all queries or > commentary. > > -alan -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared(a)puck.nether.net | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/

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Re: ARIN?
by Brandon Ross 05 Nov '98

05 Nov '98

On Thu, 5 Nov 1998 bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > BTW, their October 13, 1998 press release says they have 210K users. > > Their /8 has 16,777,216 IP addresses give or take a few hundred > > thousand. Not a bad packing ratio... > > Looks alot like /14 & change. That would be 256K plus delegated - 210K users > Hey, your right, not a bad packing ratio. Hows yours? :) How's 2 /16's & change, 128k addresses - 455k users. I think I win. (In an effort to fully disclose, about 20% of those users are on wholesale dialup providers). Brandon Ross Network Engineering 404-815-0770 800-719-4664 Director, Network Engineering, MindSpring Ent., Inc. info(a)mindspring.com ICQ: 2269442 Stop Smurf attacks! Configure your router interfaces to block directed broadcasts. See http://www.quadrunner.com/~chuegen/smurf.cgi for details.

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pc world+mtu+meltdown
by Jared Mauch 05 Nov '98

05 Nov '98

incase you see more pps stressing your network, or something of the sort, check this out for possible reason why: http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9809/29/unclog.idg/ please follow reply-to header. -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared(a)puck.nether.net | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/

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RE: time for a new list?
by Chad Skidmore 05 Nov '98

05 Nov '98

The other problem is how to identify what is appropriate and what is not. It does not seem difficult to find folks on the list who do not agree so it could be tough to appoint the NANOG god that strikes people from the list. Oh well, I guess I'll just keep making good use of my mail filters to catch the garbage. :-) --------------------------------------------- Chad Skidmore Director of Network Engineering Northwest Nexus, Inc. http://www.nwnexus.com 1-888-NWNEXUS > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Kozowski [mailto:eric@haydenisland.verio.net] > Sent: Monday, November 02, 1998 7:59 PM > To: Joe Shaw > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: time for a new list? > > > At 07:01 PM 11/2/98 , Joe Shaw wrote: > > > >I think moderating the group might not be such a bad idea. The only > >problem with this would be getting someone who had enough > time to actually > >moderate the list. I don't know what is going on lately, > but it seems > >egos and animosity are running rampant on both inet-access > and nanog. I > >have been caught up in it myself, and for that I apologize. > > i didn't, and don't, propose a moderated list. i propose a > list with some > sort of subscription requirement, at least for the ability > post, that will > only allow nano's to post. i also propose that the list be > stringently > policed. one warning re: content of your postings, then your > ability to > post is revoked. > > i'd like to see a list that lives up to the intent of the > nanog list, but > w/o all the useless drivel and chatter. if i wanted that, > i'd still be > subscribed to inet-access. > > -- > Eric Kozowski > eric(a)haydenisland.verio.net > Non carborundum illigitimi >

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time for a new list?
by Eric Kozowski 04 Nov '98

04 Nov '98

i know it's come up in the past, but i think it's way past time for a new list for nano's with tighter subscription and posting requirements. the only reason i haven't unsubscribed to nanog, yet, is everytime i've had enough of the useless crap, someone actually posts something useful.... -- Eric Kozowski eric(a)haydenisland.verio.net Non carborundum illigitimi

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Re: Linux router (don't laugh)
by shields＠crosslink.net 04 Nov '98

04 Nov '98

In article <Pine.BSF.4.05.9810271807300.215-100000(a)skipper.robotics.net>, Nathan Stratton <nathan(a)robotics.net> wrote: > I tried that several years ago and it blew up, I had to switch to FreeBSD. This says nothing about the ability or stability of today's Linux or FreeBSD. -- Shields, CrossLink.

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Re: FW: time for a new list?
by Brett_Watson＠enron.net 04 Nov '98

04 Nov '98

On 11/03/98 09:32:02 AM Lawrence A. Deleski wrote: > > >>na... the only thing that will ever work on this list is marshall law. or >>better yet, a dictator. >> >>-brett >> >> > >I nominate Brett Watson. :-) not me, i failed the spelling portion of the entrance exam. however, i did learn something on nanog for the first time in months; marshall is spelled martial. -brett

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Spam by one of Exodus Sales Person
by Exodus Abuse Investigations 03 Nov '98

03 Nov '98

Dear Mr. Rothschild and persons of NANOG, May I introduce myself, I am Janis Purl and I am the Abuse Manager at Exodus Communications, Inc.. I have been told that you and NANOG have been spammed by one of our new employees. This letter is meant as an apology to anyone having received that spam. Exodus has a policy strictly forbidding anyone on staff or connected with Exodus in anyway from spamming. My position here at Exodus is to enforce that policy and this is the first time I have had to enforce it to someone from within our staff. Any new hire at Exodus is given an orientation day which is when our policies on such things are presented by our Director of Security (Leroy Lacy). This is not possible for new hires at other sites around the country. For those new hires, are to receive printed copies of these policies. I don't know where the breakdown happened and have been told by the Director of Security that the procedure will be reviewed and changed to ensure that all new hires understand that spamming is not authorized in any circumstance here at Exodus. To ensure that this policy is clear to all present employees Mr. Lacy will be sending an email to all our current employees stating clearly spamming is NOT OK. I am truly sorry one of our employees punished you with a spam. Let me assure you that we are actively taking steps to assure that this never happens again. We are not advocators of spam and do our best to stop any spam related to us or our customers. Again let me say I am sorry that someone from Exodus bothered you in such a deplorable manner. Janis Purl Abuse Manager Exodus Communications, Inc. 1-888-2-EXODUS x 2574

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Re: time for a new list?
by Josh Gluck 03 Nov '98

03 Nov '98

I have been reading this list for a while now, and for the most part, just sitting back reading posts that interest me. I appreciate the early heads up on outages, new info on networking technology and the like. However, I do believe that moderating or "policing" the list would be a good idea. I hate downloading my mail sometimes, for all the nonsense posts that have been being sent to NANOG lately. Some of the threads go on forever or seem to attract many of the following replies: { From: whoever(a)nowhere.com To: Nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: One REALLY LONG THREAD ABOUT NOTHING <<< <<< Some quoted non needed long email from the thread <<< that everyone has already seen about 20 times <<< Agreed :) ------------------------------------------------------------ >A 20 line sig that no one really cares about anyway ------------------------------------------------------------ } These kind of replies are not needed. When I see these in my inbox, I will stop reading the list and just delete everything. Most of us that receive the list, don't need 3 pages of quoted material from the previous post. All of the subscribers recieve the threads, I personally dont need it more than once. Just use the original subject line and throw in a Re: As for a subscription requirement, that may be a little difficult as the "good" information that passes through this list, is interesting to a great deal of people that may not fit into the subscription group. It wouldn't be fair to have them be denied from the right to see what is going on, however a posting credentials requirement might be a good idea, but then again who would enforce this, and what would the requirements be? I like this list a great deal, and use some of the information that I gather from reading posts. I am willing to add any additional thoughts or what have you, in an attempt to get NANOG more stream lined. I don't want people to think that I am standing on a soap box, preaching, especially because I don't really post to the list, but I am just letting everyone know I would like to help make the list "a better place" Josh Gluck - josh(a)tricreations.com Senior Unix System Administrator Tri Star Web Technical Support 888-757-4248 *The views expressed are my own and do not reflect at all on the part of my employer.

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