January 1998 - Test - lists.nanog.org

The NIC database/billing system is broken..
by Rodney Joffe 26 Jan '98

26 Jan '98

A heads up .... We're receiving snailmail and email bills for domains that were transferred at least a month ago (according to whois even!). The true current contacts have had nothing from the 'nic.... so you may want to keep an eye out, before your domains get put on hold for non-payment. Rodney Joffe Vice President - Strategic Technology GTE Internetworking - NCS http://www.bbnplanet.com http://www.hopscotch.com

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Microsoft offering xDSL access
by Dean Morstad 26 Jan '98

26 Jan '98

Hello, This is my first posting to nanog, though I've been reading it for about a year now. I have somewhat of an operational question that falls loosely into the NANOG AUP (which I re-read before I posted) and it's not meant to start any flame wars over Microsoft. I'm just looking for someone who could give me insight into this issue. Today there was an article in the sci-tech section of cnn.com mentioning that Microsoft was teaming up with Intel and Compaq to offer xDSL service to the homes for a very low price. They claim to be able to provide Internet access "30 times faster" than regular modems. This may be very true, but I have questions about how the Internet is going to handle a bunch of ordinary web surfers now demanding their web pages at 30 times the speed? Is there backbone infrastructure in place to provide this kind of access on a household basis? Where is Microsoft going to find enough peering from NSP's to provide this access to their customers? I think it would be safe to assume that they probably have enough money to pay for peering with every NSP in the US and not even have to resell their bandwidth. I Have a T-1 to my apartment (yes I'm spoiled) and even though I don't get my full 1.5 Mbps, I am definitely happy that I get much faster than 28.8 Kbps. I suppose most of the general population would be so thrilled with even 256 Kbps out of their 6 Mbps line that they will think they are in heaven and won't even think of complaining to Bill that he's cheating them out of their other 5.75 Mbps they're paying for. I'm not even going to ask how they expect the telcos to be able to provide that kind of service on such a massive scale. I live in central Minnesota - predominently US West territory - and they have been providing T-1 access with xDSL technology for over a year now and it already takes 4-8 months to get a T-1 installed. I hope that we won't have to suffer through 24 month installation dates on new circuits because of a flood of these new Microsoft surfers. Thanks, -Dean ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dean Morstad Spacestar Communications Systems Administrator A Division of Firmware of MN, Inc. dean(a)spacestar.net 9531 W. 78th St http://www.spacestar.net Eden Prairie, MN 55344 http://www.morstad.org 612.996.0000 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Being blackhole by some one.
by Sean Donelan 24 Jan '98

24 Jan '98

>I wonder if there is some kind of SOP before someone >announce a route ? I thought you supposed to lookup >at radb first before trying to announce those routes. There are lots of SOPs. But there is no common agreement an intersection of the various SOPs. I've heard of some proposals to automate the process, but I'm not sure how successfull automating something we can't even agree on common method of doing manually will work. Unless you believe that working code is the cyberspace equivalent of making policy. Automating things may make the simple cases go through easier, allowing the humans to concentrate on the more difficult cases. For example, what to do when some providers refuse to take part? -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: Reporting Little Blue Men
by sully＠mail.usinternet.com 24 Jan '98

24 Jan '98

>>How do you prevent packets from your network with a broadcast address, since >>what defines a "broadcast" address really depends on the subnet mask? > >Filter all the blue wavelengths on your FDDI and OC3 interfaces. Maybe I don't posses your intellectual prowess. Please explain what blue wavelengths are in regard to this. Thanks... ------------------------------------------------------------------ Tim Sullivan Senior Technical Support/Network Consultant http://www.usinternet.com US Internet Corp - Full Service Internet Provider MN Based, running Windows NT, connected directly to the Backbone. "Get your Net's Worth" (tm) (612) 222-4638 ------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Microsoft offering xDSL access
by HawkeWerks Multimedia 24 Jan '98

24 Jan '98

Go check the UUNet pages on the xDSL services. They're picking up cabinet space at the Telco central office, not buying the actual copper to the home. TTYS Lloyd At 06:23 AM 1/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >> UUNET doesn't own dedicated single-circuit copper to people's houses. > >Is that to say that they cannot buy out someone who does? :) > > > > >

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Being blackhole by some one.
by unknown＠example.com 23 Jan '98

23 Jan '98

Hi, We just being blackhole by some ISP during their provisioning, a few hours ago. I thought that bogus route should be filtered by the NAP. Is there a way to prevent from somebody blackholing you ? It takes a lot of affort to solve this problem, especially those who need to update their router through rrdb automatically. Which suppose to solve blackhole problem accidentally. Thanks, Tony S. Hariman http://www.tsh.or.id Tel: +62(21)574-2488 Fax: +62(21)574-2481

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RE: Reporting Little Blue Men
by Dave Van Allen 23 Jan '98

23 Jan '98

That would make you one of the (few) Good Guys! Dave Van Allen -----Original Message----- From: Eric Wieling [mailto:eric@ccti.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 4:34 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Reporting Little Blue Men On Tue, Jan 20, 1998 at 07:50:16PM -0500, Dave Van Allen wrote: > Start by making sure your RAS users and direct customers (your network's > edge) can only output packets that contain their valid source address. > If everyone did this, all of the world's problems would go away; Ozone > depletion, world hunger, that silly rain forest thing, Smurfs and DoS > and maybe even Microsoft! :-) We prevent ANY packets to or from our network with a broadcast address. We don't filter on a per-machine basis for address spoofing, but ALL packets leaving our network must have a valid address on our network. Basically, one user on our network can spoof another user on our network, but no users can spoof addresses that are not on our network. --Eric -- Eric Wieling (eric(a)ccti.net) Chesapeake Communications Corporation Sales: sales(a)ccti.net 504-585-1850, Support: support(a)ccti.net 504-535-5449 We have changed our name! Corporate Communications Technology is now known as Chesapeake Communications Corporation.

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Re: [nanog] Re: Microsoft offering xDSL
by M. David Leonard 23 Jan '98

23 Jan '98

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NANOG 12 REMINDER
by Pam Ciesla 23 Jan '98

23 Jan '98

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The Cidr Report
by Tony Bates 23 Jan '98

23 Jan '98

This is an auto-generated mail on Fri Jan 23 12:00:00 PST 1998 It is not checked before it leaves my workstation. However, hopefully you will find this report interesting and will take the time to look through this to see if you can improve the amount of aggregation you perform. The report is split into sections: 0) General Status List the route table history for the last week, list any possibly bogus routes seen and give some status on ASes. 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level This lists the "Top 30" players who if they decided to aggregate their announced classful prefixes at the origin AS level could make a significant difference in the reduction of the current size of the Internet routing table. This calculation does not take into account the inclusion of holes when forming an aggregate so it is possible even larger reduction should be possible. 2) Weekly Delta A summary of the last weeks changes in terms of withdrawn and added routes. Please note that this is only a snapshot but does give some indication of ASes participating in CIDR. Clearly, it is generally a good thing to see a large amont of withdrawls. 3) Interesting aggregates Interesting here means not an aggregate made as a set of classful routes. Thanks to xara.net for giving me access to their routing tables once a day. Please send any comments about this report directly to me. Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report.html for a daily update of this report. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CIDR REPORT for 23Jan98 0) General Status Table History ------------- Date Prefixes 160198 48136 170198 47944 180198 47971 190198 48017 200198 48183 210198 48498 220198 48637 230198 48658 Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr.plot.html for a plot of the table history. Possible Bogus Routes --------------------- *** Bogus 212.192.0.0/16 from AS5568 *** Bogus 212.255.0.0/16 from AS2871 AS Summary ---------- Number of ASes in routing system: 3149 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix: 1462 (756 cidr, 706 classful) Largest number of cidr routes: 450 announced by AS3561 Largest number of classful routes: 1005 announced by AS701 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level --- 23Jan98 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsCIDR NetGain % Gain Description AS2493 705 396 309 43.8% iSTAR Internet, Inc. AS6235 489 254 235 48.1% Intermedia Communications, Inc. AS4293 425 211 214 50.4% IMCI AS174 875 671 204 23.3% Performance Systems International AS816 581 404 177 30.5% UUNET Canada (ASN-UUNETCA-AS4) AS3602 453 301 152 33.6% Sprint Canada Inc. AS3749 201 60 141 70.1% TECNET AS701 1005 896 109 10.8% Alternet AS3751 123 47 76 61.8% SNET-AS AS2048 161 91 70 43.5% LaNet AS5668 106 40 66 62.3% Century Telephone Inc. AS3804 203 141 62 30.5% Bell Solutions AS1 846 787 59 7.0% BBNPLANET AS549 216 159 57 26.4% ONet Backbone AS271 111 56 55 49.5% BCnet Backbone AS3464 116 63 53 45.7% Alabama Research and Education Ne AS1239 578 526 52 9.0% SprintLink Backbone AS7545 114 66 48 42.1% TPG Internet Pty Ltd AS72 84 36 48 57.1% Schlumberger Information Network AS4763 127 79 48 37.8% Telstra New Zealand AS719 507 461 46 9.1% LANLINK autonomous system AS684 84 39 45 53.6% Manitoba Regional Network Backbon AS1221 257 212 45 17.5% AARNET-AS AS2711 97 55 42 43.3% SUNBELT-AS AS3561 922 881 41 4.4% MCI AS6335 62 24 38 61.3% NTRNET AS4740 333 295 38 11.4% ASN-OZEMAIL (Ozemail Pty Ltd) AS4682 62 24 38 61.3% ITJ Intelligent Telecom Inc., AS1691 161 123 38 23.6% BCTEL AS6332 83 46 37 44.6% TELNOR For the rest of the previous weeks gain information please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html 2) Weekly Delta Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report 3) Interesting aggregates Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report

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