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All peers backup.. except one
by Eric D. Madison 11 Jul '97

11 Jul '97

All out peers are back up.. looks like they are making progress. Eric _______________________________________________________ Eric D. Madison - Senior Network Engineer - ACSI - Advanced Data Services - ATM/IP Backbone Group 24 Hour NMC/NOC (800)291-7889 Email: noc(a)acsi.net

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MFS Tech (Mae West)
by Eric D. Madison 11 Jul '97

11 Jul '97

I put a call into MFS CITY and one of the techs said that MFS was installing a new card into a GigaSwitch, and something happened and that switch lost it's configs..rebooting didn't help.. booting failed! He said that there was no confirmation of any power outage.. Think we will ever find out the truth? Eric _______________________________________________________ Eric D. Madison - Senior Network Engineer - ACSI - Advanced Data Services - ATM/IP Backbone Group 24 Hour NMC/NOC (800)291-7889 Email: noc(a)acsi.net

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Mae-WEST
by Todd R. Stroup 11 Jul '97

11 Jul '97

So did Mae-West fall into the ocean out there or what? Does anybody know? Todd R. Stroup Fiber Network Solutions, Inc.

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Re: Unacceptable Delay
by Jeffrey S. Curtis 11 Jul '97

11 Jul '97

Rodney Joffe writes: }It's interesting to note the delay in the NANOG mailer. I don't know if }there's any manual operation involved, but according to the headers, Rob }posted this at 7:43, it was received at 7:43 pdt by MERIT, and shipped }out at 8:15 pdt. } }I guess we're lucky this isn't an operational list, where time might be }important ;-) } }Can we improve this? It depends where you are in the list. Given the large number of subscribers to this list, some will get the message earlier than others. For example, the message you're referring to which you received at 8:15 pdt, was received by me at 7:54 pdt - just 11 minutes after it was sent. I imagine people near the top of the mailing list got their copies much closer to 7:43 pdt. Jeff -- Jeffrey S. Curtis | Internetwork Manager Argonne National Laboratory | Email: curtis(a)anl.gov 9700 South Cass Avenue, ECT-221 | Voice: 630/252-1789 Argonne, IL 60439 | Fax: 630/252-9689

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RE: Internet Backbone Index
by Peter Cole 11 Jul '97

11 Jul '97

The users of the net want flashy web pages and better performance. They tend to use sites that visually excite them and are respond quickly, this is human nature. All commercial sites want a competitive advantage, such as speed. Continuously customers are told "Buy more bandwidth if you want better performance." Yet link utilization rarely goes above 50%(in my case). ISPs and NSPs say that the problem is overloaded web servers, yet processor utilization has never been lower(<10%) as more web servers are upgraded to latest Pentium. Complex HTML from our local boxes pops up on our screens here, but try it through our customers ISP. The lease line users want answers. The dialup customers want answers. Both want to use networks that perform faster. They want to know where the problems are so that they can avoid them. If Sprint has an over utilized T1 to CIX, I want to know. I will let my local engineer and sales rep know where the T is and if Sprint will not fix it maybe it is time for me to try a non big name backbone provider. I think that the MAEs and NAPs should publish utilization of all ports and that NSPs should publish link utilization to interconnects as well as long term plans for their networks infrastructure. And router CPU stats. Boardwatch is giving end users what they want some guidance and direction. This study is flawed in many ways. I think that a study of performance to the top 50 websites and the top 50 ISPs from both Dialup and leaseline with a web browser and A FTP client would be very interesting. Does management want to hide performance figures? They seem to want it to be a PR and Advertising war. NetNow had great graphs of average delays and performance. Why is this information now unavailable. I guess since I don't have a nation backbone, I can't understand a simple graph of performance. Maybe NETNOW should run in Latin. BTW I don't want to spend 50,000$ to find out what is wrong with your networks. I speak for end users wanting better performance. Please tell us where you see problems on your network and others. Remember, The better you make the net work the more data we will push through it and the more you can sell us. Peter Cole of Telescan, Inc. (281)588-9155 Better computing through lack of sleep. > ---------- > From: Mike Leber[SMTP:mleber@he.net] > Reply To: Mike Leber > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 1997 3:55 PM > To: Gary Zimmerman > Cc: Sean Donelan; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Internet Backbone Index > > > On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Gary Zimmerman wrote: > > You talk about engineering good networks, why then use something > that is > > unmanaged and uses poor technology and poor engineer designs in a > MAE or > > NAP? Where is most of the packet lost on the internet? MAEs and > NAPs. > > This is gratutitous and misleading to the journalists and other > non-network engineers here. > > The packet loss at NAPs and MAEs is caused by providers not upgrading > the > size or number of connections they have to/from the various exchange > points they are experiencing problems at. > > An example of this disingenous usage of exchanges is Sprint's > completely > saturated T1 connection to CIX. There are many other examples. The > solution is to not use those routes. > > If a provider is leaking bad routes and flaps continously, would you > peer > with them? Likewise, if a provider has a notoriously saturated > connection > to an exchange does it them become a (misleading) casebook example of > why > exchange points are bad? > > No and No. > > Mike. > > +------------------- H U R R I C A N E - E L E C T R I C > -------------------+ > | Mike Leber Direct Internet Connections Voice 408 282 > 1540 | > | Hurricane Electric Web Hosting & Co-location Fax 408 971 > 3340 | > | mleber(a)he.net > http://www.he.net | > +--------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------+ > >

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Latest on MFS Mae-WEST outage
by Steve Carter 11 Jul '97

11 Jul '97

> Just called MFS and they said that they have restored power but the > Gigaswitches have lost their configuration and the technicians are > working to restore configs now. > > I would suggest that we expect a lengthy outage. > > > > > So did Mae-West fall into the ocean out there or what? Does anybody > know? > > > > Todd R. Stroup > > Fiber Network Solutions, Inc.

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Re: MAE-WEST
by Kyle C. Bacon 11 Jul '97

11 Jul '97

Matt, Doesn't make for much of an exchange point when you are the only one left standing, eh? :) K On Jul 11, 11:34am, Matthew Pearson wrote: > Subject: MAE-WEST > We are still up... for the time being at least.... heh.... I guess the guy > wielding the chainsaw missed our power cables! Or was it a Ryder Truck? > > But 75% of our peers are down... > >-- End of excerpt from Matthew Pearson -- | Kyle C. Bacon | VP Operations | kbacon(a)fibernet.net | http://www.fibernet.net connecting your world...

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Latest on Mae-WEST outage
by Steve Carter 11 Jul '97

11 Jul '97

Just called MFS and they said that they have restored power but the Gigaswitches have lost their configuration and the technicians are working to restore configs now. I would suggest that we expect a lengthy outage. > So did Mae-West fall into the ocean out there or what? Does anybody know? > Todd R. Stroup > Fiber Network Solutions, Inc.

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Re: It's always fun
by john heasley 11 Jul '97

11 Jul '97

> From owner-nanog(a)merit.edu Fri Jul 11 08:17:27 1997 > > It's always fun when the major West coast IXP goes down--Mae-West MFS. > Every peer from our Mae-West NASA AMES router to MFS is down, as well as > our MFS router. I'd suppose everyone else is seeing the same thing. > And the MFS NOC isn't answering the phone, after being on hold for 15 mins. > Anyone know what is going on? > > Rob > Exodus MFS reports a "major" outage at the Mae-west node. they were vague about the nature. since only our nap fddi connection was affected, i'm guessing it is power related. as far as i know, no eta could be provided at the time that our noc spoke with MFS. -heas

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RE: Mae-WEST
by Steve Carter 11 Jul '97

11 Jul '97

The MFS FDDI at MAE-West is currently down as of 7:30 PST. MFS have dispatched a tech. who is supposed to be onsite within a short while. > So did Mae-West fall into the ocean out there or what? Does anybody > know? > > > Todd R. Stroup > Fiber Network Solutions, Inc.

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