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DNS ideas
by Alex Rubenstein 17 Jul '97

17 Jul '97

With all this craziness in DNS land lately (the internic going nutz, the root domains wigging this morning, etc.), I had come up with on the craziest thoguhts I think I ever thunk (!!). Anyway, what about a structure like this: 1) Root domain name server operators (RDNSO) -- a selected 10 or 15 people in the US and abroad would provide thier *own* equipment, the bandwidth, et al. The would do this *for profit*. They would be reviewed, approved, and contracted by the 'internet community' as a whole, maybe that community represented by a commitee or a board. These people would get PAID for having the TLD servers. By who? See #2 # #3. 2) Forward Registries -- Everyone has been complaining about how bad the internic, etc., and why should we have to pay for domains, etc. So, my idea is this. The registries would *pay* the RDNSO to host thier TLD's on thier server. This would provide a fair, and equal way for competition among registries, without having multiple '.'s (ala alternic), and wouldn't compromise the RDNSO, beacuse if they screw around and listen to the wrong registry, etc., they would be thrown out. The registries can charge anything they want; but, the consumer will have the advantage of choosing which regsitry they want to use. The only disadvantage is that a TLD (com, edu, net, etc.) is 'owned' by a particular registry. But, hey, thats why you go to Ford if you want a Taurus. 3) Reverse Registries -- pretty much the same as #2, but in the ongoing effort to conserve ip space (tm), the formation of multiple reverse registries should be regulated (excuse the term, but nothing else really applies). I think the end-all decision of who gets to be a reverse registry is by the IANA, then approved by the board in #1. Any comments? --- "Don't go with a spineless ISP; we have more backbone." Alex Rubenstein -- alex(a)nac.net -- KC2BUO -- www.nac.net net @ccess corporation, 201-983-0725 -- 201-983-0725

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Re: contracts and damages, was: BOOM! there goes WorldCom
by Nathan Stratton 17 Jul '97

17 Jul '97

On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, William Allen Simpson wrote: > OK, sounds like you exercized due diligence. What kind of contract > language specified multiple paths for those 3 circuits you paid for? > > And how much liquidated damages for an outage did you specify? > > Could you please let us all know how long it takes for WorldCom to pay up? Hehehe, I will also add the 2 circuits we lost into NYC today. Our legal people are working on this now, I will let you know how it works out. Nathan Stratton President, NetRail,Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Phone (888)NetRail NetRail, Inc. Fax (404)522-1939 230 Peachtree Suite 500 WWW http://www.netrail.net/ Atlanta, GA 30303 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No king is saved by the size of his army; no warrior escapes by his great strength. - Psalm 33:16

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MAE-MIR
by Eric Germann 17 Jul '97

17 Jul '97

Did MFS acquire Mir this morning? E

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RE: BOOM! there goes WorldCom
by Todd Wilkens 17 Jul '97

17 Jul '97

All the fiber that was Wiltel went with the sale to LDDS. There was a portion of Wiltel that was not sold to LDDS and that was Vyvx. Williams retained the Wiltel name and I believe Vyvx is now called Wiltel and is still part of the Williams Companies out of Tulsa. I believe part of the sale agreement was that Williams retained one fiber strand out of every fiber run Wiltel (the original one) had. So Williams (Wiltel) still has alot of fiber capacity. >---------- >From: Peter Leppik[SMTP:pleppik@mail.wessels.com] >Sent: Thursday, July 17, 1997 10:05 AM >To: 'johnl(a)iecc.com' >Cc: 'nanog(a)merit.edu' >Subject: RE: BOOM! there goes WorldCom > >I was relying on an article which crossed my desk a few weeks ago, and >now I can't find it again. My apologies if my memory failed me; it >wouldn't be the first time. > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: johnl(a)iecc.com [SMTP:johnl@iecc.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 8:43 PM >>To: Peter Leppik >>Subject: Re: BOOM! there goes WorldCom >> >>>carriers. Qwest also bought a boatload of fiber from Williams Pipeline >>>Co. some time ago, and signed a contract with Williams which locked >>>Williams out of the business of deploying new fiber until early 1998 >>>(Williams runs fiber through unused oil and gas pipelines, having >>>discovered that fiber optics is more of a growth industry than >>>schlepping around fermented dinosaurs). >> >>That is most bizarre. Williams has been in the fiber business for >>ages, their fiber subsidiary was Wiltel which was the 4th or 5th >>largest IXC by volume (mostly resold to other carriers) when it was >>sold and merged into LDDS/Worldcom in early 1995. Are you saying that >>after they spun off Wiltel, Williams went back into the fiber >>stringing business? >> >>-- >>John R. Levine, IECC, POB 640 Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 >>johnl(a)iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, >>http://iecc.com/johnl, >>Finger for PGP key, f'print = 3A 5B D0 3F D9 A0 6A A4 2D AC 1E 9E A6 36 >A3 >>47 >

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RE: BOOM! there goes WorldCom
by Peter Leppik 17 Jul '97

17 Jul '97

I was relying on an article which crossed my desk a few weeks ago, and now I can't find it again. My apologies if my memory failed me; it wouldn't be the first time. >-----Original Message----- >From: johnl(a)iecc.com [SMTP:johnl@iecc.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 8:43 PM >To: Peter Leppik >Subject: Re: BOOM! there goes WorldCom > >>carriers. Qwest also bought a boatload of fiber from Williams Pipeline >>Co. some time ago, and signed a contract with Williams which locked >>Williams out of the business of deploying new fiber until early 1998 >>(Williams runs fiber through unused oil and gas pipelines, having >>discovered that fiber optics is more of a growth industry than >>schlepping around fermented dinosaurs). > >That is most bizarre. Williams has been in the fiber business for >ages, their fiber subsidiary was Wiltel which was the 4th or 5th >largest IXC by volume (mostly resold to other carriers) when it was >sold and merged into LDDS/Worldcom in early 1995. Are you saying that >after they spun off Wiltel, Williams went back into the fiber >stringing business? > >-- >John R. Levine, IECC, POB 640 Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 >johnl(a)iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, >http://iecc.com/johnl, >Finger for PGP key, f'print = 3A 5B D0 3F D9 A0 6A A4 2D AC 1E 9E A6 36 A3 >47

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RE: BOOM! there goes WorldCom
by Todd Wilkens 17 Jul '97

17 Jul '97

When Worldcom does change the DLR, you get an automated fax notification that states they are performing "maintenance" or a "groom" on your ckt. This means there is a high probablity they are changing the design of your ckt and your diversity may not exist after the groom. You should probably respond to the fax and find out exactly what they are doing. You can also have your sales rep mark you order in the Wcom database as "diversely routed". You also need to specify the ckt you want to be diversely routed from. This should stop you ckt from being added to any groom packages that are being put together. If your ckt is not marked diverse, grooms can occur frequently. >---------- >From: randy@psg.com[SMTP:randy@psg.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 5:13 PM >To: Nathan Stratton >Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: BOOM! there goes WorldCom > >> Worldcom changed the DLRs without letting us know > >happens all the time. they do that like we move customers between router >ports. > >if you want to maintain path diversity, you have to continually monitor it >with your carriers. and then you'll need to go out and physically every >once in a while. yes, this is major major pain. > >randy >

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by Todd Wilkens 17 Jul '97

17 Jul '97

When Worldcom does change the DLR, you get an automated fax notification that states they are performing "maintenance" or a "groom" on your ckt. This means there is a high probablity they are changing the design of your ckt and your diversity may not exist after the groom. You should probably respond to the fax and find out exactly what they are doing. You can also have your sales rep mark you order in the Wcom database as "diversely routed". You also need to specify the ckt you want to be diversely routed from. This should stop you ckt from being added to any groom packages that are being put together. If your ckt is not marked diverse, grooms can occur frequently. >---------- >From: randy@psg.com[SMTP:randy@psg.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 5:13 PM >To: Nathan Stratton >Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: BOOM! there goes WorldCom > >> Worldcom changed the DLRs without letting us know > >happens all the time. they do that like we move customers between router >ports. > >if you want to maintain path diversity, you have to continually monitor it >with your carriers. and then you'll need to go out and physically every >once in a while. yes, this is major major pain. > >randy >

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RE: BOOM! there goes WorldCom
by Todd Wilkens 17 Jul '97

17 Jul '97

I believe Worldcom owns the majority of their fiber and I think all three lease fiber from Qwest. Qwest has fiber in the ground nation wide. I just don't know how much is lit. >---------- >From: Charles Sprickman[SMTP:spork@inch.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 7:18 PM >To: Scott Landman >Cc: nathan(a)netrail.net; bnite(a)tremere.ios.com; mpearson(a)games-online.com; >nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: BOOM! there goes WorldCom > >On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, Scott Landman wrote: > >> If fibers being cut is the culprit here, does going with a supplier like >> Qwest make sense because their fibers are running down railroad right of > >I was under the impression that there was one fiber giant that actually >owns its own fiber, and that its name is AT&T... Who is Qwest??? > >Anyone have any stats on how much MCI, Sprint, WCom actually own? > >Charles > >~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ >Charles Sprickman Internet Channel >INCH System Administration Team (212)243-5200 >spork(a)inch.com access(a)inch.com > > > > >

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RE: BOOM! there goes WorldCom
by Todd Wilkens 17 Jul '97

17 Jul '97

There are many common fiber routes that all the carriers are in. Worldcom has much of it's fiber along or in pipelines. >---------- >From: Nikos Mouat[SMTP:nikm@ixa.net] >Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 7:18 PM >To: Scott Landman >Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: BOOM! there goes WorldCom > > >If you're suggesting that Qwest is the only carrier using railroad right >of ways I suggest you take a closer look at those little orange posts >running along the side of train tracks.. I've seen MCI, Worldcom, AT&T, >sprint and others running along the same tracks from Seattle to >Portland. > >nm > >On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, Scott Landman wrote: > >> If fibers being cut is the culprit here, does going with a supplier like >> Qwest make sense because their fibers are running down railroad right of >> ways and, therefore, should be less succeptible to a backhoe digging >where >> it shouldn't be? Or are you looking at other, more secure mediums for >the >> bulk of your traffic? > >

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RE: BOOM! there goes WorldCom
by Todd Wilkens 17 Jul '97

17 Jul '97

I believe Worldcom owns the majority of their fiber and I think all three lease fiber from Qwest. Qwest has fiber in the ground nation wide. I just don't know how much is lit. >---------- >From: Charles Sprickman[SMTP:spork@inch.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 7:18 PM >To: Scott Landman >Cc: nathan(a)netrail.net; bnite(a)tremere.ios.com; mpearson(a)games-online.com; >nanog(a)merit.edu >Subject: Re: BOOM! there goes WorldCom > >On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, Scott Landman wrote: > >> If fibers being cut is the culprit here, does going with a supplier like >> Qwest make sense because their fibers are running down railroad right of > >I was under the impression that there was one fiber giant that actually >owns its own fiber, and that its name is AT&T... Who is Qwest??? > >Anyone have any stats on how much MCI, Sprint, WCom actually own? > >Charles > >~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ >Charles Sprickman Internet Channel >INCH System Administration Team (212)243-5200 >spork(a)inch.com access(a)inch.com > > > > >

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