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RE: Domain Rant.
by Alex Rubenstein 21 Mar '97

21 Mar '97

I would be very interested. Is anybody interested in starting a talk about this? At 07:46 AM 3/21/97 -0700, Jerry Eyers wrote: >Not necessarily a massive cooperation of everyone. but at >least a few. Seems to me you could find some folks would be >interested in approaching that. > >Jerry > >Jerry Eyers >U Psalms 46:1 > > >>---------- >>From: Alex Rubenstein[SMTP:alex@nac.net] >>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 1997 7:47 PM >>To: Karl Denninger >>Cc: Paul A Vixie; nanog(a)merit.edu >>Subject: Re: Domain Rant. >> >>> > >>> > Because there can be only one authority for ".". >> >>I don't agree with this. >> >>It is quite possible for everyone to maintain ".". Then, there would be no >>need for root domain servers; HOWEVER, this would take massive cooperation >>throughout the industy, which will never happen. >> >> >> >> >

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ARIS [Was: Re: Domain Rant.]
by Paul Ferguson 21 Mar '97

21 Mar '97

At 01:16 PM 3/21/97 +0000, rayaz_siddiqi(a)telewest.co.uk wrote: > >As an aside, I have just heard froma colleague that IBM claim to be able to >connect IP subnets without routing via SVCc on their 8260 ATM switch. Is >anyone aware of this? Does anyone have any more info. > This sounds like the IBM ARIS [Aggregate Route IP Switching] stuff. More appropriately discussed over on the MPLS [Multi Protocol Label Switching] IETF WG list; see: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/mpls-charter.html - paul

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Re: Domain Rant.
by rayaz_siddiqi＠telewest.co.uk 21 Mar '97

21 Mar '97

I agree with Paul. I have recently subscribed to NANOG, I'm wondering what I've let myself in for!! As an aside, I have just heard froma colleague that IBM claim to be able to connect IP subnets without routing via SVCc on their 8260 ATM switch. Is anyone aware of this? Does anyone have any more info. Thanks, Rayaz ------------- Original Text >From pferguso(a)cisco.com (Paul Ferguson), on 3/21/97 7:03 AM: Can this discussion PLEASE be taken to another, more approriate list? Much more of this, and people will be unsubscribing in droves (including myself). :-/ - paul

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Re: Domain Rant.
by Paul Ferguson 21 Mar '97

21 Mar '97

Can this discussion PLEASE be taken to another, more approriate list? Much more of this, and people will be unsubscribing in droves (including myself). :-/ - paul

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Domains and NIC
by alex＠arch.relcom.ru 21 Mar '97

21 Mar '97

Hi. 1-st, InterNIC do not posses Internet, and it's amazing why they decide to drop some domain from the Name Servers. If it was done (50$ / month rent) to clear Internet from the heaps of the garbage, why do not check if domain you want to drop is in use or not... It's thousands of dead domains in .com zone, but if compuserve.com don't pay 50$ and they'll remove this domain it'll cause InterNET to the total collaps simple because a lot of mail servers fall down due to long mail queue's,,, 2-nd. You can get fee for something need money to support. You need some money to register new domain (and 50 or 100$ is not expansive for it), but let's divide the cost to support all .COM name servers to the number of domains... - I'll wonder if it'll be more than 1$/1year. 3-d. Why InterNIC? If they can't serve 100,000 customers over the whole world, have not regional branches - they are not best choise. Guess if CISCO would get this service, or IBM - they have local re-sellers, local branches, local people to get money, convert currensy etc... Yes, it's monopoly, it's the worst example of _socialism_, and it's one of the important things dangerous for the Internet... If you deal (of 100,000,000$/year) depends of 1 small company having 1 telephone, 1 fax and don't answering on E-MAIL, FAXES and phone calls in 3 weeks - it's dangerous... --- Aleksei Roudnev, Moscow ------------ It's my personal opinion if I use this E-mail address.

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Re: Domain Rant.
by NetSurfer 21 Mar '97

21 Mar '97

Excuse me I should have said IP registration. To see the entire article, go to http://www.crn.com/ and do a search on "IP Payment Plan" and you will get two links to the article. ---------- From: Perry E. Metzger <perry(a)piermont.com> To: NetSurfer <netsurf(a)pixi.com> Cc: Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com>; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Domain Rant. Date: Thursday, March 20, 1997 7:42 AM "NetSurfer" writes: > If you think $50 is bad, just wait and see if the $20,000/year/domain goes > through... Since no one has proposed that, its unlikely that it will happen. Perry

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Re: Domain Rant.
by Eric Germann 20 Mar '97

20 Mar '97

Not to mention the fact their automated pay by CC over the phone scam doesn't recognize their invoice numbers... At 07:01 PM 3/20/97 -0800, maillists wrote: > >> Add us to the list of 'paid and put on hold'. We host ipdmug.org, which >> recently had the same thing happen. You can guess what a burden it was to >> finally get matters resolved. > >I know this does not exactly belong here, several >of our customers have reported spending days on hold >just trying to reach a person at Network Solutions so >their paid domain will not go on hold. I have heard >from three such customers just today morning. > >It is worse if you paid for more than one domain in >a single credit card transaction. There is no email >receipt or a record that matches the money paid to >a specific domain name. > >If anyone has ideas how to get Network Solutions >to fix this operational problem _now_, so these >domains do not go off line, please post here. > > ============================================================================ ==== Eric Germann Computer and Communications Technologies ekgermann(a)cctec.com Van Wert, OH 45891 Phone: 419 968 2640 http://www.cctec.com Fax: 419 968 2641 Network Design, Connectivity & System Integration Services A Microsoft Solution Provider

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Re: Domain Rant.
by Len Rose 20 Mar '97

20 Mar '97

If you read my message, the "cannot afford" came from paying for network space. There are plenty of reading programs in various adult education facilities that will help you with comprehending the written word. Get help now.. Len At 10:11 PM 3/20/97 -0500, Rudy Amid wrote: >Len, > >So why do you have a domain name if you can't "afford it"? Don't >tell me you can't afford paying $50/year? That's a year! If you've >been spending all of your money every month and thinks that's expensive, >then perhaps you're not meant to be on the internet. > >--- >Rudy Amid (rudy(a)hcl.com) Systems "I'm IT!" Administrator NB: IMHO! >>/` Hummingbird Communications, Ltd. 1 Sparks Ave. Toronto, Ont. __ >" Canada. M2H 2W1. 416-496-2200 Fax 496-2207 [URL] http://www.hcl.com | >PGP key fingerprint is on my home page at http://www.warped.com/~radix \_) > [deleted] len(a)netsys.com http://www.netsys.com

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Re: Domain Rant.
by Rudy Amid 20 Mar '97

20 Mar '97

Len, So why do you have a domain name if you can't "afford it"? Don't tell me you can't afford paying $50/year? That's a year! If you've been spending all of your money every month and thinks that's expensive, then perhaps you're not meant to be on the internet. --- Rudy Amid (rudy(a)hcl.com) Systems "I'm IT!" Administrator NB: IMHO! >/` Hummingbird Communications, Ltd. 1 Sparks Ave. Toronto, Ont. __ " Canada. M2H 2W1. 416-496-2200 Fax 496-2207 [URL] http://www.hcl.com | PGP key fingerprint is on my home page at http://www.warped.com/~radix \_) ---------- > From: Len Rose <len(a)netsys.com> > To: Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com>; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Domain Rant. > Date: Wednesday, March 19, 1997 11:46 PM > > It's not about a free lunch.. It's called no involvement in the decision > making process beforehand. I don't want to start any sort of flame war > despite what it may appear -- seeing my domain on hold upset me. It is > at least 11 years old.. I won't be able to afford my network space soon > too if things keep going. > > At 08:31 PM 3/19/97 PST, Randy Bush wrote: > > [stuff deleted] > > >Not we. We don't expect a free lunch. > > > >randy > >

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Re: Domain Rant.
by Sanjay Dani 20 Mar '97

20 Mar '97

> Add us to the list of 'paid and put on hold'. We host ipdmug.org, which > recently had the same thing happen. You can guess what a burden it was to > finally get matters resolved. I know this does not exactly belong here, several of our customers have reported spending days on hold just trying to reach a person at Network Solutions so their paid domain will not go on hold. I have heard from three such customers just today morning. It is worse if you paid for more than one domain in a single credit card transaction. There is no email receipt or a record that matches the money paid to a specific domain name. If anyone has ideas how to get Network Solutions to fix this operational problem _now_, so these domains do not go off line, please post here.

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