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Re: < < < < BULK EMAIL > > > > (fwd)
by Sean Doran 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

| Spam list, meet Nanog list. | Nanog list, meet Spam list. Nowadays the NANOG list *is* spam. Sean.

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Free gold from Paul Vixie? I don't think so.
by Paul A Vixie 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

Three days ago someone forged mail in my name, and again in the name of everyone mentioned anywhere in www.vix.com, to every member of the U.S. Senate and House, threatening to delete all their files and shut down all of their systems. It was crudely done, easily detected as a forgery, easily traced, and now the subject of interest for the FBI. Today someone forged spam in my name, to I-don't-know-yet how many users, offering to give away "FREE GOLD!!!" and giving my e-mail address and that of <scott(a)zorch.sf-bay.org>, an employee here and also a major spam fighter in his spare time. I've already received over a hundred complaints and e-mail bounces, and a few "Free gold? Sure, send some to me at <addr>." I can only infer from this that what we're doing is hurting the business of spam, and that they are worried about us. So I take it as highly encouraging and if I needed any excuse to redouble my efforts, this would be it. I've created a vacation message and a procmail script so the next ten thousand or so bounces and complaints will be handled automatically. I am also working with the relay sites used to forge and export this spam, to educate them about <URL:http://www.sendmail.org/antispam.html> and also about spam in general <URL:http://www.vix.com/spam/> and about my real time blackhole feed. Today I got calls from several folks who I've blackholed or suggested blackholing lately, each being a request for help and education.

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RE: < < < < BULK EMAIL > > > > (fwd)
by Jim Fleming 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

On Saturday, February 22, 1997 3:03 AM, Bill Manning[SMTP:bmanning@isi.edu] wrote: @ @ Spam list, meet Nanog list. @ Nanog list, meet Spam list. @ @ http://www.vix.com/spam/ @ @ @ -- @ --bill @ @ Bill meet Bill ---------- From: Jim Fleming[SMTP:JimFleming@unety.net.] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 1997 11:11 AM To: 'president(a)whitehouse.gov' Cc: 'Dave Crocker'; 'dont(a)netsol.com'; 'Geoff Huston'; 'gstrawn(a)nsf.gov'; 'Hank Nussbacher'; 'Donald Heath'; 'ISOC-Advisory-Council(a)isoc.org'; 'ISOC-Trustees(a)isoc.org'; 'Jun Murai'; 'naipr(a)arin.net'; 'New Newdom'; 'Sally M. Abel' Subject: Internet Taxes @@@@@ http://www.isoc.org/whatsnew/notaxesoti.html Internet Society Cautions White House Against Imposition Of Taxes On Internet Commerce @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ The Internet Society is cautioning against taxes while it spends its time inventing taxes and supporting organizations that are essentially taxing the net. See: http://www.isoc.org/whatsnew/iahcreport.html http://www.arin.net It should not be surprising that the Internet Society does not want other organizations to get involved in taxing the net until they have had a chance to develop the legal structures. In the case of the domain system, the Internet Society is attempting to move the tax authority to Switzerland because of the International nature of the net. U.S citizens who helped fund the development of the Internet need to take careful note, and send your own message to the Whitehouse and other places. President Bill Clinton and Vice President Al Gore http://www.whitehouse.gov @@@@@ U.S. Senate e-mail addresses Alabama - Shelby, Richard C. (R) - senator(a)shelby.senate.gov Alaska - Stevens, Ted (R) - senator_stevens(a)stevens.senate.gov Arizona - Kyl, Jon (R) - info(a)kyl.senate.gov Arizona - McCain, John (R) - senator_mccain(a)mccain.senate.gov Arkansas - Bumpers, Dale (D) - senator(a)bumpers.senate.gov Arkansas - Hutchinson, Tim (D) - senator.hutchinson(a)hutchinson.senate.gov California - Boxer, Barbara (D) - senator(a)boxer.senate.gov California - Feinstein, Dianne (D) - senator(a)feinstein.senate.gov Connecticut - Dodd, Christopher J. (D) - sen_dodd(a)dodd.senate.gov Connecticut - Lieberman, Joseph I. (D) - senator_lieberman(a)lieberman.senate.gov Delaware - Biden, Joseph R., Jr. (D) - senator(a)biden.senate.gov Florida - Graham, Bob (D) - bob_graham(a)graham.senate.gov Georgia - Coverdell, Paul (R) - senator_coverdell(a)coverdell.senate.gov Hawaii - Inouye, Daniel K. (D) - senator(a)inouye.senate.gov Idaho - Craig, Larry E. (R) - larry_craig(a)craig.senate.gov Idaho - Kempthorne, Dirk (R) - dirk_kempthorne(a)kempthorne.senate.gov Illinois - Moseley-Braun, Carol (D) - senator(a)moseley-braun.senate.gov Iowa - Grassley, Chuck (R) - chuck_grassley(a)grassley.senate.gov Iowa - Harkin, Tom (D) - tom_harkin(a)harkin.senate.gov Kansas - Brownback, Sam (R) - sam_brownback(a)brownback.senate.gov Kentucky - Ford, Wendell H. (D) - wendell_ford(a)ford.senate.gov Kentucky - McConnell, Mitch (R) - senator(a)mcconnell.senate.gov Louisiana - Breaux, John B. (D) - senator(a)breaux.senate.gov Maine - Collins, Susan (R) - senator(a)collins.senate.gov Maine - Snowe, Olympia J. (R) - olympia(a)snowe.senate.gov Maryland - Mikulski, Barbara A. (D) - senator(a)mikulski.senate.gov Maryland - Sarbanes, Paul S. (D) - senator(a)sarbanes.senate.gov Massachusetts - Kennedy, Edward M. (D) - senator(a)kennedy.senate.gov Massachusetts - Kerry, John F. (D) - john_kerry(a)kerry.senate.gov Michigan - Abraham, Spencer (R) - michigan(a)abraham.senate.gov Michigan - Levin, Carl (D) senator(a)levin.senate.gov Minnesota - Grams, Rod (R) - mail_grams(a)grams.senate.gov Minnesota - Wellstone, Paul D. (D) - senator(a)wellstone.senate.gov Mississippi - Cochran, Thad (R) - senator(a)cochran.senate.gov Missouri - Ashcroft, John (R) - john_ashcroft(a)ashcroft.senate.gov Missouri - Bond, Christopher S. (R) - kit_bond(a)bond.senate.gov Montana - Baucus, Max (D) - max(a)baucus.senate.gov Montana - Burns, Conrad R. (R) - conrad_burns(a)burns.senate.gov Nebraska - Kerrey, J. Robert (D) - bob(a)kerrey.senate.gov Nevada - Bryan, Richard H. (D) - senator(a)bryan.senate.gov Nevada - Reid, Harry (D) - senator_reid(a)reid.senate.gov New Hampshire - Gregg, Judd (R) - mailbox(a)gregg.senate.gov New Hampshire - Smith, Bob (R) opinion(a)smith.senate.gov New Jersey - Lautenberg, Frank R. (D) - frank_lautenberg(a)lautenberg.senate.gov New Mexico - Bingaman, Jeff (D) - senator_bingaman(a)bingaman.senate.gov New Mexico - Domenici, Pete V. (R) - senator_domenici(a)domenici.senate.gov New York - D'Amato, Alfonse M. (R) - senator_al(a)damato.senate.gov New York - Moynihan, Daniel Patrick (D) - senator(a)dpm.senate.gov North Carolina - Faircloth, Lauch (R) - senator(a)faircloth.senate.gov North Carolina - Helms, Jesse (R) - jesse_helms(a)helms.senate.gov North Dakota - Dorgan, Byron L. (D) - senator(a)dorgan.senate.gov Ohio - DeWine, Mike (R) - senator_dewine(a)dewine.senate.gov Oklahoma - Nickles, Don (R) - senator(a)nickles.senate.gov Oregon - Wyden, Ron (D) - senator(a)wyden.senate.gov Pennsylvania - Santorum, Rick (R) - senator(a)santorum.senate.gov Pennsylvania - Specter, Arlen (R) - senator_specter(a)specter.senate.gov Rhode Island - Chafee, John H. (R) - senator_chafee(a)chafee.senate.gov South Carolina - Hollings, Ernest F. (D) - senator(a)hollings.senate.gov South Carolina - Thurmond, Strom (R) - senator(a)thurmond.senate.gov South Dakota - Daschle, Thomas A. (D) - tom_daschle(a)daschle.senate.gov Tennessee - Frist, William H. (R) - senator_frist(a)frist.senate.gov Tennessee - Thompson, Fred (R) - senator_thompson(a)thompson.senate.gov Texas - Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R) - senator(a)hutchison.senate.gov Utah - Bennett, Robert F. (R) - senator(a)bennett.senate.gov Utah - Hatch, Orrin G. (R) - senator_hatch(a)hatch.senate.gov Vermont - Jeffords, James M. (R) - vermont(a)jeffords.senate.gov Vermont - Leahy, Patrick J. (D) - senator_leahy(a)leahy.senate.gov Virginia - Robb, Charles S. (D) senator(a)robb.senate.gov Virginia - Warner, John W. (R) - senator(a)warner.senate.gov Washington - Gorton, Slade (R) - senator_gorton(a)gorton.senate.gov Washington - Murray, Patty (D) - senator_murray(a)murray.senate.gov West Virginia - Byrd, Robert C. (D) - senator_byrd(a)byrd.senate.gov West Virginia - Rockefeller, John D., IV (D) - senator(a)rockefeller.senate.gov Wisconsin - Feingold, Russell D. (D) - senator(a)feingold.senate.gov Wisconsin - Kohl, Herb (D) - nator_kohl(a)kohl.senate.gov Wyoming - Enzi, Mike (R) - senator(a)enzi.senate.gov Wyoming - Thomas, Craig (R) - craig(a)thomas.senate.gov @@@@@ -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming(a)unety.net JimFleming(a)unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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Re: < < < < BULK EMAIL > > > > (fwd)
by bmanning＠ISI.EDU 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

Spam list, meet Nanog list. Nanog list, meet Spam list. http://www.vix.com/spam/ -- --bill

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Re: Free gold from Paul Vixie? I don't think so.gy
by brandon＠rd.bbc.co.uk 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

> I'd like to second this idea for a 'spam haters' list ... > Like Alan I'd be perfectly willing to host this list. I suppose it'd be appropriate for us to host it though we might call it 'spam eaters' ;-) -- Brandon Butterworth phone: 01737 836592 BBC Research & Development fax: 01737 832336 Kingswood Warren, Tadworth email: brandon(a)rd.bbc.co.uk Surrey, KT20 6NP URL: http://www.bbc.co.uk/

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Spam Haters list
by Brett L. Hawn 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

Since I offered, I've done so... I just finished up setting up the 'spamhaters' list here at nol.net, it is private, requires owner approval for subscriptions/submissions and requires confirmation from the subscriber themselves. If you would like to join the list please email spamhaters-request(a)nol.net. [-] Brett L. Hawn (blh @ nol dot net) [-] [-] Networks On-Line - Houston, Texas [-] [-] 713-467-7100 [-]

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franchises
by randy＠psg.com 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

I have been asked to help two different municipalities understand franchise models and norms for fiber CAP and for cable-IP. If you have some clues, I would appreciate Email, as this is probably not a NANOG discussion. randy

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Re: How to spam nicely?
by Vadim Antonov 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

The recipe for being a "good" bulk mailer is simple -- never send any bulk mail to people who didn't explicitly ask for it. But then, that's what you're already doing. (I'd also add a specific question on wherer a person wants to receive e-mail on your product registration form, if you don't have it there already). (A usual pitfall is not providing a user with an easy way to unsubscibe, and catching invalid addresses -- but modern mailing-list software handles that just fine). Provide a registration form at your Web site. Make Web site interesting and informative. People will come (my company's website already logged over 50k hits, though there were no any other advertisements or PR activity). Good luck! --vadim

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On the subject of spam...
by Meg Jahnke 21 Feb '97

21 Feb '97

Thought this might be of some interest since we've been talking about spam lately (I personally like the bit about "net cops" :-) Full headers included for your amusement. -meg meg(a)cerf.net > Forwarded message: > From productlink(a)usa.net Fri Feb 21 19:06:01 1997 > Return-Path: productlink(a)usa.net > Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net > [204.127.131.3]) by nic.cerf.net (8.8.5/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05271 for <meg(a)cerf.net>; > Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:10:29 -0800 (PST) > Message-Id: <199702220310.TAA05271(a)nic.cerf.net> > Received: from q.qqq.com ([206.171.250.44]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net > (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA3017; > Sat, 22 Feb 1997 03:06:50 +0000 > From: Product Link <productlink(a)usa.net> > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:08:48 PST > Subject: We Will Send Your Bulk Email > Status: R > > *If you want to be removed from our mailing list, please respond to this > email and put "Remove" in the subject line. > > We will send out your bulk E Mail. Period. No qualifiers, no conditions, > no nonsense...and we'll do it at the best prices. > > We are Product Link. We are a business partner with a marketing > company which develops buyers for its clients' products through electronic > marketing; primarily broadcast fax. Together, we have over a hundred clients, > almost 10% of which are Fortune 500 companies. We have numerous staff, > and have just begun, at client request, to send high volumes of E Mail. > > If you're new to bulk E Mail marketing, as we were a short time ago, I can > confirm that all the E Mails you've been getting from E Mail software > companies about how great E Mail marketing is; well, they're true. However, > as those of you who have already purchased software and have tried bulk > E mail know, nothing good ever comes easy. > > Our staff has spent millions of advertising dollars on our clients' behalf; > everything from commercials on the Superbowl to ads in the New York Times, > to full page spreads in Scientific American.; not to mention the sending > of over 1,000,000 marketing faxes a year for major corporations. > > Bulk E mail has been quite an eye opener. > > The Internet, the on line services and ISP providers are full of shrill, > self appointed "net cops," whose mission in life seems to be dumping on those > who have the audacity to sell product via E Mail. I don't wish nor intend > to debate the issue here, except to say that if you've purchased bulk E Mail > software (or intend to), you've already found out that when you attempt to > use it, your ISP provider will shut you down, your E Mail account will be > bombed, and electronic flames will become a way of life. > > Since we have a low tolerance for allowing small groups of vocal fanatics > to dictate our business life, we set up our own system to send out Bulk > E Mail. This system will be greatly expanded in 30 days or so (we're > installing more T lines), but we currently have room on our system to send > out Bulk E Mail for a limited number of companies or individuals other > than ourselves. > > We'll send out your order, large or small. We'll do it quickly, and > we'll do it at a really great price. You can supply the list, or we'll > supply the list. Place an order with us, and we'll give you advice on > how to set up your E Mail so your on line service won't shut you down, how > to write your material, and much more. We will also write your marketing > material, if you so desire. If you supply a list, we can run it through > our computer program to sort out all duplicates and bad AOL or CompuServe > addresses. If you buy a list from us, we will guarantee that the exact > number of names you order will go out; if we send a list for you and a > number of addresses are not delivered, we will send out more E Mails until > you get delivered exactly what you ordered. We can even tell you how to > confirm that your list was sent. > > We also have programs that can filter out E Mail "bombs" and other > irritating toys played with at your expense by people who don't > have a life. > > When we first began exploring bulk E mail, we contacted numerous firms > advertising that they would send out bulk E mail. What we got was > answering machines, disconnected numbers, and no call backs. The one firm > that did contract us would only send limited numbers of E mails for > us, and then only if we had already sent the list out once and taken off all > the removes (go figure...if we could send out the list once, what did we > need them for?). We finally got so exasperated, we set up our own system. > And are we glad we did. Speaking as a marketing man with over 30 years > experience in major advertising, E Mail marketing will change the face of > advertising and cost of sale forever. I do not believe that has ever been > a vehicle like it in history to allow anyone of any size and any budget to > advertise and sell their products literally overnight. We employ 18 people, > and I guarantee you that when you E Mail us back, you'll get a call. > Right away. And the office phone number we give you, will have a live > person at the other end. > > Following is a price list to give you an idea of the > quality of our company. Please bear in mind that Bulk E Mail is > effective in large numbers; i.e., 25,000 and above. > > Price List To Send Bulk E Mail: > > Amount Cost Set Up (One Time Fee) > > 25,000 $150.00 $50.00 > > 50,000 $275.00 $50.00 > > 75,000 $400.00 $50.00 > > 100,000 $550.00 $50.00 > > > Bulk E Mail amounts above 100,000 per sending will be bid on a > case by case basis. If you wish to modem us a list, there may be a > small charge for down load depending on list size. If you wish us to >"clean" your list (remove all duplicates and bad addresses), we will supply a > bid on a case by case basis as with writing your marketing materials and > other services. > > If we may be of service to you, respond to this email with your name, > company name, and phone number, or may also call us directly at > (805) 654-4042. Thank you. >

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How to spam nicely?
by Joseph C. Pistritto 21 Feb '97

21 Feb '97

Ok, now that I have your attention. I'd like suggestions from members of the community on the best way to do bulk mailings to our user base (not product recommendations specifically or anything like that), but obvious pitfalls to watch out for. Our "mass mailing" policy in general has been pretty net-friendly, in that we only send mail to people who have registered our product at the address they gave us when they did so (we don't buy lists, etc.), and might be interested in the specific thing we're telling them about, and we only attempt to send each person mail once. We also don't do this very often and keep our mailing lists pretty current. So, any suggestions to make our having to send a bunch of mail more pleasant for the rest of the net? If any of you out there have specific experience with bulk mailing, I'd love to hear about it to avoid stepping on land mines others have already "detected", etc. Thanks in advance. -jcp-

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