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Agis - Still Spam Central
by Reid Fishler 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

>From Harris-Marketing's Home page: In our efforts to make commercial email a viable alternative to offline advertising and more socially acceptable, we've taken pains to design and implement our own system, which does not require that each advertiser download and implement the removes on an individual basis, but is a resident feature within the Savoynet servers that prevents the sending of any email to your email address once it has been added to the filter... Any and all UCE (unsolicited commercial email) will be routed through the Harris Marketing Inc/Savoynet.com filtration system. >From Agis's AUP: Customers may not send unsolicited bulk mail messages ("junk mail" or "spam") to any person who does not wish to receive it. If a recipient asks to stop receiving email the customer must not send that person any further email. >From Agis's AUP Action Page: Harris Marketing aka Savoynet - 11/11/97 - Warning Also, 'Investigation numbers': ST-1007, ST-1011, ST-1014, ST-1015, ST-1016, and ST-1021 are all on this one customer of Agis. So my question is, what does it take for Agis to Implement it's AUP? It seems to me that the AUP was more of a PR move rather than an actual policy, and the proof of that is on Agis's on web site. Reid Fishler Lightning Internet Services, LLC

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AOL reporting problems
by Rodney Joffe 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

FYI http://www.news.com/News/Alerts/0,34,11031,00.html#2briefz2 Rodney Joffe Chief Technology Officer Genuity Inc., a Bechtel company http://www.genuity.net

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Re:ns4.internic.net was returning false aa nxdomain
by David H. Holtzman 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

We've fixed the problem. We are now in the process of determining why this happened. David H. Holtzman Sr VP Engineering, Network Solutions dholtz(a)internic.net

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Global Telecommunications Traffic Statistics & Commentary
by Barry James 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

The 97/98 TeleGeography annual report is out. A source for '...international carrier market shares, cable/satellite capacity...mapping the Internet...' Interested parties see URL: http://www.telegeography.com/Publications/tg97.html Regards, Barry Barry L James | Mikrotec Internet Services, Inc (AS3801) Director R & D | 1001 Winchester Rd bjames(a)mis.net | Lexington KY 40505 http://www.mis.net/ | 606/225.1488 800/875.5095 --- Semper Fidelis - 0331/8151 MARDET CV-41 1988-90

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BGP4 code source
by salnot patrice 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

Hello, Can someone tell me where i can retrieve the source code of BGP4 for freebsd or linux. Thanks ------- The Only Stupid Question Is The Unasked One -------

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Re: evaluation of the IWG on DNS
by Hank Nussbacher 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

At 11:50 PM 11/17/97 -0500, Gordon Cook wrote: I sent the following to Gordon but on second thought, I'll share it with all: If the ITU tried ever to "control/govern" the Internet, it would be the end of the ITU. Intel tried t cover up its chip bugs and the Internet demolished them. Gates and his billions tried to ignore the Internet and then had to run scared to catch up and become part of the process. Governance includes matters like pornography, cryptography, trademarks, etc. Where do you see the ITU taking a domination role in any of those? The single role the ITU plays and will play is as a depository for the gTLD MoU. At *no* time will the ITU make policy. At *no* time will the ITU make policy. Am I being heard? The day they attempt to do that, ISOC, IANA, IETF, IAB, etc. will break all ties with the ITU and the ITU will sink in its own X.recment. Hank Nussbacher former IAHC and iPOC member >I normally don't post any material from my newsletter to NANOG, but I have >just had a strong "nudge" from a list member regarding the December issue >that I published tonight. Here is the portion of my Exec. Summary from a >LONG article on Internet Governace issues. > >The Governance Wars >Continue, pp. 13 - 22 > >Motivated by an abiding hatred of Network Solutions' "monopoly" the >federal Interagency Working Group on DNS (IWG) ironically adopted, at the >end of the summer, an attitude that since the ISOC CORE effect in Geneva >was the only other game in town, it should have the US government embrace >the very folk that the IWG had been set up in fear of. > >We have been told that the idea of assistance in the creation of the >database software needed by CORE has been tried out in negotiations for >changes that would make the CORE Swiss cartel more 'democratic'. Having >been warned that Brian Kahin was holding behind the scenes discussions >with IBM, AT&T and Oracle on the question of the data base software and >that Becky Burr, Kahin's partner at NTIA, was testing the waters for the >idea that a competition for software design be held, we submitted a FOIA >to OSTP on October 7 seeking all relevant data to the IBM, Oracle and AT&T >discussions. On the 27th were were told that more time would be need >because of the "substantial interest in the determination of our request." >When on Friday November 14 no documents had been delivered, we complained >and were told that the reason was because they involved coordination with >the FCC since they mentioned Mike Nelson, an ex OSTP employee. However by >the afternoon the story changed to merely that there were too many and >they were waiting to send them all. > >During the week that began on November 10th, the working group was making >its own leaks that it would have its findings released - first by the 14 >and then by the 17th. We complained in a public appeal to Ira Magaziner >on the 12 and on the 13th received a phone call in which he assured us for >attribution that no policy would be made for a number of weeks yet and >perhaps even for several months. On the basis of our conversation we >believe that 1. he is the 'boss' of the IWG and will prevent Burr and >Kahin from doing an end run around him in their desire to kill the NSI >monopoly. 2. That he has a sincere and humble recognition that he simply >doesnUt understand the matter well enough yet to reach the right decision. >We are encouraged to hear that he will be doing heavy duty fact finding of >his own. > >Coming to understand much better the reasons for Tony RutkowskiUs dislike >of the ITU, after the Secretary General admitted that he would like to >have the ITU take over Internet governance, we believe that it is critical >for Magaziner to understand that the Internet's creative vitality comes >from Einar Stefferud calls its self-organizing 'bounded chaos'. Just as >no one entity can control the global economy so no single entity can >control the Internet. Stef has a profound understanding of these issues >and the final third of our article is a compendium of his recent writings >on the subject plus a concluding section that he wrote on November 15 in >response to our findings about the working group activities. Here he >states that Mr. Magziner must realize that there is no crisis; and that no >new top level domains should be added to the root servers until all >parties have joined into a confederation using IETF processes to develop >their own governance plan. He concludes by pointing out that the ultimate >recourse lies in the power of thousands of DNS administrators world wide >to point to the root machines that offer the best service to the network. > >************************************************************************ >The COOK Report on Internet For subsc. pricing & more than >431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA ten megabytes of free material >(609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) visit http://cookreport.com/ >Internet: cook(a)cookreport.com New Special Report: Internet >Governance at the Crossroads ($175) http://cookreport.com/inetgov.shtml >************************************************************************ > > >

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Re: hmm..
by mmiller＠CBIS.COM 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

Me too ... ACK! I like Marilyn Monroe but ........ |} At 06:32 PM 11/17/97 -0600, you wrote: >Is it just me or.. No it's me too. >I just received 2 "Welcome to nanog" messages and then this...a bounce.. >Is someone playing with us? I'm also getting mails fomr wierd mail servers telling me I'm now on wierd mailing lists. Such as Marilyn Monroe lists. What's going on? > James D. Butt 'J.D.' Ken Harris Prez@DALnet - -- --------- Ken Harris [( ken(a)drummerweb.com )] Drummer Associates [( www.drummerweb.com )] "Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything learned in school" -Albert Einstein - -- --------- ----- End Included Message -----

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ns4.internic.net was returning false aa nxdomain
by Marc Slemko 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

ns4.internic.net aka. j.gtld-servers.internic.net was just returning false authoritative nxdomain answers for any .com domain that I tried. While it isn't a .com nameserver, that IP address is floating around and my nameserver still asked it and listened when it gave a nxdomain: $ORIGIN HYPERREAL.com. ;taz 287 IN SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. hostmaster.INTERNIC.NET. ( ; 1997111700 1800 900 604800 86400 );com.;NXDOMAIN ;-$ ;Cr=auth [198.41.0.21] yes, yes, I am still using 4.9.6 but I'm not ready to upgrade to 8.x yet. In any case, it is still bogus to return authoritative nxdomain. Now (10 minutes later), ns4.internic.net is properly reporting: ; <<>> DiG 2.2 <<>> worldgate.com ns @198.41.0.21 ; (1 server found) ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 10 ;; flags: qr aa rd; Ques: 1, Ans: 0, Auth: 1, Addit: 0 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; worldgate.com, type = NS, class = IN ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS: com. 86400 SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. hostmaster.INTERNIC.NET. ( 1997111700 ; serial 1800 ; refresh (30 mins) 900 ; retry (15 mins) 604800 ; expire (7 days) 86400 ) ; minimum (1 day) ;; Total query time: 111 msec ;; FROM: valis.worldgate.com to SERVER: 198.41.0.21 ;; WHEN: Tue Nov 18 02:45:29 1997 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 31 rcvd: 108 I think I have seen problems caused by something similar a couple of times in the past week or two, only then I couldn't track them down because it had gone back to giving proper responses. Anyone know what is going on there and if it is resolved or just gone for a while again?

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evaluation of the IWG on DNS
by Gordon Cook 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

I normally don't post any material from my newsletter to NANOG, but I have just had a strong "nudge" from a list member regarding the December issue that I published tonight. Here is the portion of my Exec. Summary from a LONG article on Internet Governace issues. The Governance Wars Continue, pp. 13 - 22 Motivated by an abiding hatred of Network Solutions' "monopoly" the federal Interagency Working Group on DNS (IWG) ironically adopted, at the end of the summer, an attitude that since the ISOC CORE effect in Geneva was the only other game in town, it should have the US government embrace the very folk that the IWG had been set up in fear of. We have been told that the idea of assistance in the creation of the database software needed by CORE has been tried out in negotiations for changes that would make the CORE Swiss cartel more 'democratic'. Having been warned that Brian Kahin was holding behind the scenes discussions with IBM, AT&T and Oracle on the question of the data base software and that Becky Burr, Kahin's partner at NTIA, was testing the waters for the idea that a competition for software design be held, we submitted a FOIA to OSTP on October 7 seeking all relevant data to the IBM, Oracle and AT&T discussions. On the 27th were were told that more time would be need because of the "substantial interest in the determination of our request." When on Friday November 14 no documents had been delivered, we complained and were told that the reason was because they involved coordination with the FCC since they mentioned Mike Nelson, an ex OSTP employee. However by the afternoon the story changed to merely that there were too many and they were waiting to send them all. During the week that began on November 10th, the working group was making its own leaks that it would have its findings released - first by the 14 and then by the 17th. We complained in a public appeal to Ira Magaziner on the 12 and on the 13th received a phone call in which he assured us for attribution that no policy would be made for a number of weeks yet and perhaps even for several months. On the basis of our conversation we believe that 1. he is the 'boss' of the IWG and will prevent Burr and Kahin from doing an end run around him in their desire to kill the NSI monopoly. 2. That he has a sincere and humble recognition that he simply doesnUt understand the matter well enough yet to reach the right decision. We are encouraged to hear that he will be doing heavy duty fact finding of his own. Coming to understand much better the reasons for Tony RutkowskiUs dislike of the ITU, after the Secretary General admitted that he would like to have the ITU take over Internet governance, we believe that it is critical for Magaziner to understand that the Internet's creative vitality comes from Einar Stefferud calls its self-organizing 'bounded chaos'. Just as no one entity can control the global economy so no single entity can control the Internet. Stef has a profound understanding of these issues and the final third of our article is a compendium of his recent writings on the subject plus a concluding section that he wrote on November 15 in response to our findings about the working group activities. Here he states that Mr. Magziner must realize that there is no crisis; and that no new top level domains should be added to the root servers until all parties have joined into a confederation using IETF processes to develop their own governance plan. He concludes by pointing out that the ultimate recourse lies in the power of thousands of DNS administrators world wide to point to the root machines that offer the best service to the network. ************************************************************************ The COOK Report on Internet For subsc. pricing & more than 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA ten megabytes of free material (609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) visit http://cookreport.com/ Internet: cook(a)cookreport.com New Special Report: Internet Governance at the Crossroads ($175) http://cookreport.com/inetgov.shtml ************************************************************************

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Has spam factory dakotacom.net moved from ACSI to Alternet ?
by John R Levine 18 Nov '97

18 Nov '97

I've been receiving buckets of spam from dakotacom.net, as many as 90 per day. They've been connected to ACSI for many months. ACSI has a new anti-spam AUP that went into effect today. Today I see that traceroutes to Dakotacom go through Alternet and medic-net-gw.customer.ALTER.NET. But the route looks odd, maybe a leak rather than a new real route. I don't speak BGP (my multi-homed ISP does that for me), so can anyone see who's announcing 207.201.204.0/255.255.252.0 ? ACSI? Alternet? Both? Regards, John Levine, postmaster(a)abuse.net, http://www.abuse.net, Trumansburg NY abuse.net postmaster

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