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Creation of working groups within NANOG
by Paul Ferguson 03 Dec '96

03 Dec '96

Dave O'Leary and I were discussing how large the attendance at the Ann Arbor NANOG had become and musing on how a single forum for NANOG was becoming somewhat unwieldy, if not less effective. What is the feeling of the NANOG participants (and the Merit folks) of modifying the NANOG meeting format, and creating different working groups? This would accomplish various goals: o Allow smaller, more focused groups; o Allow discussion/debate/presentations on more topics; o Cater to specialized interests & disciplines; o Reduce the number of humans in a single room at any one given time. ;-) One of the downsides to this approach is that it would require meeting sites to have facilities with more than just a large auditorium (ie. real conference rooms, or something resembling them anyway). Although I hesitate to mention this, it has been suggested that some/most of the work being conducted in the Operations Area of the IETF should be conducted in regional forums such as NANOG, APRICOT, RIPE, etc. I'm not really sure how this would all work out, but I thought it was certainly worth mentioning & worthy of discussion. - paul

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Re: New MLPA/Route Reflectors Page
by Jeffrey S. Curtis 03 Dec '96

03 Dec '96

Mike Leber writes: }Bill Manning has added a new MLPA/route reflector page }(http://www.isi.edu/div7/ra/mlpa.html) to his NAP information site that }currently lists three (CIX, PCH, and the SF Pac Bell NAP). } }Is anybody aware of others? Yes, see http://nap.aads.net/MLPA.members.html for the AADS NAP MLPA member list, and http://nap.aads.net/MLPA.html for the MLPA itself. Jeff -- Jeffrey S. Curtis | Internetwork Manager Argonne National Laboratory | Email: curtis(a)anl.gov 9700 South Cass Avenue, ECT-221 | Voice: 630/252-1789 Argonne, IL 60439 | Fax: 630/252-9689

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Re: New MLPA/Route Reflectors Page
by Bill Woodcock 03 Dec '96

03 Dec '96

> Is anybody aware of others? I've spoken with him about the NIX. -Bill

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Re: haven for spammers?
by Bill Woodcock 02 Dec '96

02 Dec '96

Just a quick note wrt replying to parent-domains of spam- originators... Note that "domain.com" is just the example domain, and is the default "reply-to" address for many mailers. If the reply-to address is "user(a)domain.com" or "user(a)host.domain.com," YOU DON'T NEED TO SEND ME MAIL TO TELL ME ABOUT IT, since thousands of other people already do. :-) Look at the sender address, not the reply-to address. -Bill ______________________________________________________________________________ bill woodcock woody(a)zocalo.net woody(a)nowhere.loopback.edu user(a)host.domain.com

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Re: Would the list object...
by Paul Ferguson 02 Dec '96

02 Dec '96

I personally don't object, per se, but I dropped off the inet-access list earlier this year due to the unbearably low signal/noise ratio. If the NANOG list were to become a cacophony as did inet-access, you can scratch this list too. I figure that if anyone on inet-access is interested in the discussion(s) here on NANOG, then they are already subscribed. $.02, - paul At 11:16 PM 12/1/96 -0800, David Carmean wrote: > >I've started expanding the last couple years of the archives of >this list back into hypertext (Hypermail at the moment) so I could >review some of the threads that are more than a couple of months old. > >If I get the OK for the resources from "The Management", would any (many?) >of you object to me making the existence of my unofficial mirror >known to inet-access, etc.? I have some concerns that it might >precipitate off-topic noise on this list, but I also think that it >would be a good resource for those on the steep portion of the >learning curve to understand why things are the way they are, e.g >route filtering, peering restrictions, etc.... > >Thanks > >-- >David Carmean <dlc(a)silcom.com> >Silicon Beach Communications, Santa Barbara, California +1-805-730-7740 > Opinions herein are those of the author only, unless otherwise noted >

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Re: Would the list object...
by Michael Dillon 02 Dec '96

02 Dec '96

I got this message so I thought I would post a little ISP FAQ here... > I am on the NANOG list but would qualify as a newbie on the very steep part > of the learning curve. Is there a list (inet-access?), or archive that > would be more appropriate for newbies than NANOG? Send a "subscribe" message to inet-access-request(a)earth.com Read these web pages http://www.amazing.com/internet http://www.mtiweb.com/isp http://www.nanog.org Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael(a)memra.com

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haven for spammers?
by Jared Mauch 02 Dec '96

02 Dec '96

Check this out. I'm sure we all frown on these types of folks. ----- Forwarded message from Alan Brown ----- Approved-By: Alan Brown <alan(a)MANAWATU.GEN.NZ> Reply-To: Alan Brown <alan(a)manawatu.gen.nz> From: Alan Brown <alan(a)manawatu.gen.nz> Subject: Re: A security issue of a different kind. The anti mail-relaying stuff is discussed on page 194 of the sendmail book ("refuse to act as a mail gateway"). BTW, I've had in excess of 100 items from earthstar.com and isp-inter.net in the last week. The latest is from earthstar's management, advertising themselves as a spam haven. Complaints to Sprint so far have been ignored. (Sprint provide their connectivity.) AB ----- End of forwarded message from Alan Brown -----

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Re: The Cidr Report
by Brett D. Watson 02 Dec '96

02 Dec '96

from looking at tony's pages, i would say there's really no trend at all. the graph he posted of table size since he started the report again has bounced up and down by several thousand routes. maybe i'm being negative but it's fluctuationg quite a bit. good to see it down in any case. -brett > Hey, this looks pretty good. Let's hope the trend continues (if, in fact, > there *is* a trend). > > - paul > > At 12:00 PM 11/29/96 -0800, Tony Bates wrote: > > > > >Date Prefixes > >231196 40687 > >241196 40908 > >251196 40844 > >261196 41043 > >271196 41074 > >281196 39803 > >291196 39735 > > >

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Exchanges that matter...
by Derek Elder 02 Dec '96

02 Dec '96

Would someone be so kind as to email me a list of the Exchanges that matter? I.E., which ones qualify when calculating your connections for peering? Is it just the 4 NAP's and MAE-East and MAE-West? Also, do any of you have any comments on whether peering standards might be relaxed if you are setting up a statewide educational network? | Derek Elder http://www.accessus.net V.P., CIO | | djelder(a)accessus.net accessU.S., Inc. 888-637-3638 Ext. 222 |

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Re: The Cidr Report
by Paul Ferguson 02 Dec '96

02 Dec '96

At 05:51 AM 12/2/96 -0800, Bill Manning wrote: > > I would be interested in tracking the views as seen at > a number of different places in the topology. The deltas > between the growth in the number of widely dispersed routes > vs the local varience would be an interesting number to > track. > This was my earlier point exactly. I, for one, would find it useful. - paul

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