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mpls switches
by Mike 03 May '16

03 May '16

Hi, Im looking to deploy more mpls in my network. I like the Cisco 3600X series but the low density of 10g ports has me wanting to consider perhaps others. I would love a minimum of 4 10g ports but of course more is better. Cost would also be a factor. What are people using these days? Thanks. Mike-

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[NANOG-announce] NANOG 67 Announcements
by Betty Burke <betty＠nanog.org> 03 May '16

03 May '16

NANOGers, We are beginning our final preparations in support of NANOG 67 <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog67/home> taking place June 13-15, 2016 in Chicago, IL. The meeting will be held at the Fairmont Chicago Millennium Park. In addition, prior to the start of NANOG 67, The NANOG Program Committee is pleased to announce the first NANOG one-day Hackathon, Sunday, June 12, 2016 , <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog67/hackathon> at the Fairmont Chicago Millennium Park. The event will feature new ideas and hacks for automating production Internet networks. The NANOG event is planned in partnership with FaceBook and will require a separate registration process. For those considering the NANOG Hackation, attendance is free, however you must register here <https://www.cvent.com/events/nanog-hackathon/registration-dfa67069fdcd4a5c9…> . The NANOG Program Committee continues in its dedication to present NANOG 67 attendees with quality presentations, track discussions, and tutorials. The agenda topics are confirmed and posted on the NANOG Highlights <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog67/agendahighlights> page. The draft agenda is expected on or near May 16, 2016. For those considering the NANOG 67 Conference, please be aware the registration fee <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog67/register> will increase soon! Also, take a moment to join NANOG or renew your existing Membership <https://www.nanog.org/membership>. As a member, you receive a discounted registration rate, a dedicated line at the registration desk, and the ability to participate in annual elections and discussions about NANOG. • Standard Registration now thru May 22, 2016 (member $500, non-member $525, student $100) • Late Registration starting May 23, 2016 (member $575, non-member $600, student $100) • On-Site Registration starting June 12, 2016 (member $650, non-member $675, student $100) The conference hotel is sold out on Sunday night. However, an additional NANOG Room block remains available at the Hard Rock Hotel. Both room blocks are set to expire very soon. Be sure to get your reservation made ASAP. We continue to seek and secure additional room nights, and will post the information on the NANOG 67 hotel <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog67/hotel> meeting page. Should you have any questions regarding the Hackaton or NANOG 67, please direct them to nanog-support(a)nanog.org. If you are interested in sponsorship opportunities, please email sponsor-support(a)naong.org. I look forward to an exciting set of events in Chicago, and hope to see you there! Sincerely, Betty Betty J. Burke NANOG Executive Director 2864 Carpenter Rd., Ste 100 Ann Arbor, MI 48108 +1 866-902-1336 _______________________________________________ NANOG-announce mailing list NANOG-announce(a)mailman.nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-announce

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Fwd: hotel
by Randy Bush 03 May '16

03 May '16

excuse puking on list but the path to nanog admin action seems dead Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 13:48:10 +0900 From: Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com> To: action <action(a)nanog.org> Subject: hotel hi, sorry to bother, but fairmont chicago block supposedly good to 22 may. tried to book just now, arriving 11th leaving 16th. got told "No lodging matches your search criteria. Please change your search options at right and try again." thanks randy

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Arista Routing Solutions
by Colton Conor 03 May '16

03 May '16

NANOG, I know Arista is typically a switch manufacturer, but with their recently announced Arista 7500R Series and soon to be announced but already shipping 7280R Series Arista is officially getting into the routing game. The fixed 1U 7280R Series looks quite impressive. The 7500R series is your traditional chassis and line card based solution. Both of these products have the ability to hold the full internet routing table, and Arista is working on MPLS features. Both of these new products use the latest Broadcom Jerico chipsets. I would like to know how viable of a product NANOG thinks these Arista routers are compared to service provider grade routers from Cisco, Juniper, ALU, and Brocade? Cost wise, Arista seems to be much, much less per port. For example, the 1U Arista 7280R with 48x10GbE (SFP+) & 6x100GbE QSFP cost about the same as what Juniper sells a MX104 with only four 10G ports for (Under 20K). Can the Arista EOS software combine with their hardware based on the Broadcom Jericho chipset truly compete with the custom chipsets and accompanying software from the big guys?

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Re: BGP peering strategies for smaller routers
by Ken Chase 03 May '16

03 May '16

got a quagga router in my life where bgpd+zebra takes up 1gig for 4.5 full tables. Rest of the OS easily lives in 1 gig (could probably be much less.) big-vendor solutions always seem much bloatier - same deal on power usage. just a data point. /kc -- Ken Chase - math(a)sizone.org Toronto

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CFP: DNS Track at NANOG 67
by Wessels, Duane 03 May '16

03 May '16

Greetings, For our upcoming meeting in Chicago I'm looking for folks willing to give brief presentations during a proposed DNS Track. Possible topics include: - Operational experiences - New & interesting software features - Protocol advancements - Research results - Performance & compliance testing - Insights into DNS-related attacks I'm expecting to have about 90 minutes to fill with presentations of about 15 minutes or less. If you're interested in presenting please respond to me directly. Duane W.

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BGP FlowSpec
by Martin Bacher 03 May '16

03 May '16

Dear Nanog Members, My name is Martin Bacher. I am a Student at UAS Technikum-Wien and I am currently writing my master’s thesis with topic "Addressing DDoS Attacks with BGP FlowSpec“. It would be very helpful for me if some of you could share information about the following topics: - Intra-AS BGP FlowSpec deployment: Who is running it? For which kind of attacks are you using it? Are you only dropping or rate-limiting certain traffic or are you also using the redirect/remark capabilities? What are the limitations from your perspective? Are you facing any operational issues? How are you injecting the FlowSpec routes? - Inter-AS: Who is running Inter-AS FlowSpec deployments? What is your experience? Are there any concerns regarding Inter-AS deployments? Has anyone done interop tests? FlowSpec is usually only one part of the whole anti DDoS toolset. So I would also be interested in your answers to the following questions: - How are you detecting DDoS attacks (Netflow, in-line probes, ..?) and which applications are you using for the analysis (Peakflow, Open-Source tools, ..?) - Which countermeasures are you deploying in case of DDoS attacks? ACLs, FlowSpec, Blackhole routes, RTBH, scrubbing center, Cloud based DDoS services or anything else? - What is your operational experience? How fast are you in deploying countermeasures? Do you have any automation or is this always triggered by people? Last but not least: I am also looking for anonymized statistical data about DDoS attacks which I could use in the thesis. I am mainly interested in data about the type of attacks, attack time, sources, source and destination ports, and so on. I know this something which is generally not shared, so I would really appreciate it if someone would be able to share such data. Please send me your answers either via pn or directly to the list. Please also let me know if you think that there is something missing. Any comment or answer is highly appreciated. Looking forward to your replies. Many thanks. Greetings, Martin

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Standards for last mile performance
by Jean-Francois Mezei 02 May '16

02 May '16

The CRTC hearing went well (thanks for all your help). One of the unanswered questions was how to set performance standards for the last mile to ensure people get advertised speeds (within reason). I had asked the question about contention ratio and it appears there is no proper way to set such a moving target as a regulatory standard. During the hearing, someone suggested that advertised speeds be achievable 80% of the time. (chairman then asked if "time" was 24 hours, or just the time you needed to use the internet (aka: peak). Out of curiosity, could such a thing be measured by the last mile operator ? There is the easy answer of synch. For DSL, non delivery of advertised speed is easy since that metric is on the modem statistics. However, for fixed wireless, would a customer too far from tower see a lower synch rate or would he just see poor performance due to lots of retransmits ? So some generic questions: What are the different ways used to determine if the last mile is congested and needs to be upgraded ? >From the network operator's point of view, would it not be looking at 5 minute throughput samples and trigger upgrades when it sees throughput reaching x% of last mile segment capacity for more than X minutes per day ? What other means do network admins use to monitor when it is time to upgrade shared last mile segments such as coax or fixed wireless ? from a policy point of view, is it possible to set the same standard for different technologies or should each (dsl, coax, fixed wireless and satellite) have they own standards and methods of measurements before of intrinsic differences in how they work ? In the case of Rogers (canadian cableco), the CRTC record shows that they trigger node split process when capacity reaches 60%. This is because it takes them so long to do all the paperwork, committees etc that by the time the node split is done, that segment has grown to about 75% utilisation. Would that be a sound basis to set a policy ? For shared last mile, would different technologies have similar thresholds that trigger the need for upgrades or would coax start to degrade at 75% whereas fixed wireless or satellite start to degrade at lower/higher number ? For FTTP, while likely not a big problem yet, would similar number apply when the ~2gbps download and ~1gbps upload start to get filled by the 32 homes served ?

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[NANOG-announce] NANOG On The Road Comes to Denver!
by Valerie Wittkop 02 May '16

02 May '16

We are very excited to be holding the next NOTR event in Denver <http://nanog.org/meetings/road11/home> on May 10, 2016, and we invite you to join us! Are you interested in Internet networking/peering? Do you work at a colocation, hosting or data center facility? Are you a provider of hardware/software solutions for the Internet industry? If so, the NANOG On The Road Denver event is perfect for you! Date: May 10, 2016 Time: Registration Desk opens at 8:30am and Program is from 9:00 AM - 5:00 PM Location: Denver Marriott Westminster <http://nanog.org/meetings/road11/hotel> - 7000 Church Ranch Boulevard, Westminster, CO 80021 The FREE to attend event is open for registration. Register Now! <https://www.cvent.com/events/notr-denver/registration-ca6e1607497d49cc9d0bd…> Agenda Topics <http://nanog.org/meetings/road11/agenda> are posted, which include: - Life After IPv4 - DNSSEC & RPKI - Traceroute Tutorial - IPv6 Tutorial - BGP Tutorial If you are, or will be, in the Denver area, we invite you to attend. And don’t forget to share the invitation with your colleagues or others you feel may benefit from attending. Make NANOG On The Road your first step toward learning how you can take the wheel and steer the future of the Internet. Learn more about On The Road events here <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/road/home>. Feel free to contact us at nanog-support(a)nanog.org if you have any questions. Regards, Valerie Valerie Wittkop NANOG Program Director Tel: +1 866 902 1336, ext 103 _______________________________________________ NANOG-announce mailing list NANOG-announce(a)mailman.nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-announce

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Re: Frontier Internet Outage
by Josh Reynolds 02 May '16

02 May '16

Something else you may want to look for in the future is an email report from the puck.nether.net outages list. On May 2, 2016 8:54 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattlists(a)rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > Yes yes yes, Josh :) Jeff got me the info I was looking for. > > On 5/2/16 9:47 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > >> From where? To what? Have you checked any carrier's looking glass? >> >> On May 2, 2016 8:45 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattlists(a)rivervalleyinternet.net >> <mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: >> >> Is anyone else seeing major routing issues across the Frontier IP >> network this morning? >> >> I have been unable to get ahold of anyone at Frontier as of yet. >> >>

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