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Re: QoS/CoS interest
by sob＠academ.com 21 May '97

21 May '97

As I am involved in deploying a GigaPOP here in Houston and attaching it to SESQUINET as well as the I2 infrastructure, I am working with QoS issues (at an architectural level) regularly. I do expect to do some deployment as this year comes to an end, but there are many issues (some technical and some not) that will affect this roll out. -- Stan | Academ Consulting Services |internet: sob(a)academ.com Olan | For more info on academ, see this |uucp: {mcsun|amdahl}!academ!sob Barber | URL- http://www.academ.com/academ |Opinions expressed are only mine.

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Re: What have you done for me lately?
by Eric Germann 21 May '97

21 May '97

At 12:47 AM 5/21/97 CDT, Joseph T. Klein wrote: >I belive it will take a volunteer effort ... > >--- On Wed, 21 May 1997 00:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Todd Graham Lewis <lists(a)reflections.eng.mindspring.net> wrote: > >Yeah ... the stuff you can hardly see between the flames. We need >a few people to gleen the list and turn it into a web page. > http://www.cctec.com/maillists/nanog I don't douse the flame wars, however, it is searchable and is a complete history, so you can search around the bombs. Updated nightly... Eric ============================================================================ ==== Eric Germann Computer and Communications Technologies ekgermann(a)cctec.com Van Wert, OH 45891 Phone: 419 968 2640 http://www.cctec.com Fax: 419 968 2641 Network Design, Connectivity & System Integration Services A Microsoft Solution Provider

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Re: Root Name Server Confederations
by Paul A Vixie 21 May '97

21 May '97

Danger. I'm still ranting. Don't read this. Someone asked in private e-mail... > What's to keep someone from adding some of those "bogus" root servers into > a cache file? What harm would it do? There seems to be something I'm > missing? If I had users that wanted access to .web, couldn't I add those > into the cache? which .web do you mean? the one iahc is creating, the one amblin tried to create, or one of the dozen that will be created next week if piracy proves to be a useful way to add top level domain names? (did the ISP explosion teach you guys NOTHING about copycatting?) and when one of your customers wants foo.web and the other wants bar.web and you can't satisfy both because they're in different .web's? and when one of your customers wants foo.web and the other wants foo.web except they are different web sites depending on which root servers you point at? ultimately the answer is: there is one "." and anybody who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something that you do NOT want to pay for. (keep your hand on your wallet.) hell, i may create a .web zone of my own if the money is THAT easy to get. in fact, let's ALL create .web and then let's create usenet:alt.gtlds.web and use it to synchronize entries therein. that way when someone creates foo.web (in exchange for a service fee from the FOO company), everyone else who has a .web domain can add the same delegation (even though they did NOT get a service fee from the FOO company) and there will be no conflicts. what's that you say? impractical? well if it won't work for .web, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK IT WILL WORK FOR "." ??? the issues are clear cut. pirates are loose on the seas you're surfing, and most of them want your money. some of them want power. a few of them just want some personal recognition -- it hurts their feelings that they weren't consulted on whether there should or shouldn't have been an IAHC. none of these pirates give a rat's a** whether your customers all get the same FOO when they ask for FOO.WEB. in fact at least one of them thinks this would be a feature since each FOO _deserves_ a chance to be FOO.WEB. makes one long for the days of HOSTS.TXT. which was at least reliable and coherent. maybe it'll make a comeback in the form of everybody-run-their-own "." server. i guess i've said this about 900 times now. DNS is a coherent, distributed database. don't do anything that will make it less coherent. don't lets start back in on things that will make the same name mean something different (or become meaningless) depending on where you're standing when you resolve it.

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Re: Root Name Server Confederations
by Vadim Antonov 21 May '97

21 May '97

Marc Hurst <mhurst(a)fastlane.ca> wrote: >FUCK YOU!!! I would like to ask NANOG list administrator to filter out everything from fastlane.ca. Enough is enough. --vadim

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Re: What have you done for me lately?
by sob＠academ.com 21 May '97

21 May '97

> Does anyone give a shit about training the next generation of network > operators, or maybe increasing the clue factor of the present one? Part of the point of the NANOG notes I do is to help all network operators. It helps me understand things better by doing them. Hopefully I am lucid enough that others benefit as well. I do know that some folks benefit, because I hear from a few that offer comments, assistance at futher meetings (like the one in June--hint,hint), and encouragement. I don't know if they help you, Todd, but if you have any specific suggestions that could make them more helpful to you, just send them to me in private mail. -- Stan | Academ Consulting Services |internet: sob(a)academ.com Olan | For more info on academ, see this |uucp: {mcsun|amdahl}!academ!sob Barber | URL- http://www.academ.com/academ |Opinions expressed are only mine.

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current DNS/registry thread
by Alan Hannan 21 May '97

21 May '97

Please stop. This is not productive and a waste of many people's valuable time. Do something useful. Break your fingers. Anything. But do it elsewhere. Please stop polluting NANOG with your DNS tripings. -a

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InterNIC -> eDNS Comparison Report
by Jim Fleming 21 May '97

21 May '97

The following is a sample of one of the reports used to synchronize the Root Name Server Confederations. I am sure that most NANOG subscribers can easily read it. It is interesting that people make claims about SLD.TLD collisions while those people are making those claims eDNS people are working hard to prevent such collisions. It is also interesting that the IAHC intentionally selected .WEB to test the TLD collision waters. Why would people that preach against collision support an organization that intentionally caused a collision ? The following shows what the InterNIC would have to do to come into "synch" with eDNS....without collisions. It also shows some of the recent changes that eDNS has to track and fix because the InterNIC does not report such changes. InterNIC -> eDNS Comparison Report =========================== Comparing 800 0a1,3 > 800. 172800 NS JFWHOME.FUNHOUSE.COM. > 800. 172800 NS MEJAC.PALO-ALTO.CA.US. > 800. 172800 NS NS1.VRX.NET. Comparing AD Comparing AE Comparing AFRICA 0a1,5 > . 518400 NS A-ROOT.EDNS.NET. > . 518400 NS B-ROOT.EDNS.NET. > . 518400 NS C-ROOT.EDNS.NET. > . 518400 NS D-ROOT.EDNS.NET. > . 518400 NS E-ROOT.EDNS.NET. Comparing AG Comparing AGN 0a1,2 > AGN. 172000 NS NS.AGN.NET. > AGN. 172000 NS SIMBA.AGN.NET. Comparing AI Comparing AIRLINE 0a1,3 > AIRLINE. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > AIRLINE. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > AIRLINE. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing AL Comparing AM Comparing AN 1c1 < AN. 172800 NS KADUSHI.CURINFO.AN. --- > AN. 172800 NS KADUSHI.CUFINFO.AN. Comparing AO Comparing AQ Comparing AR Comparing ARPA Comparing ART 0a1,2 > ART. 172800 NS FASTLANE.CA. > ART. 172800 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. Comparing ARTS 0a1,3 > ARTS. 172000 NS FASTLANE.CA. > ARTS. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.ALTERNIC.NET. > ARTS. 172000 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. Comparing ASIA 0a1,3 > ASIA. 172800 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > ASIA. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > ASIA. 172800 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. Comparing AT Comparing ATTY 0a1,2 > ATTY. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > ATTY. 172800 NS NS2.USNIC.NET. Comparing AU Comparing AUDIO 0a1,2 > AUDIO. 172800 NS NS3.ALASKAONE.COM. > AUDIO. 172800 NS NS3.CONSULT.ORG. Comparing AUTO 0a1,2 > AUTO. 172000 NS NS.IODESIGN.COM. > AUTO. 172000 NS NSP1.IODESIGN.COM. Comparing AW Comparing AZ Comparing BA Comparing BANK 0a1,2 > BANK. 172800 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. > BANK. 172800 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. Comparing BB Comparing BE Comparing BF Comparing BG Comparing BH Comparing BI Comparing BIO 0a1,3 > BIO. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > BIO. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > BIO. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing BIOTECH 0a1,3 > BIOTECH. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > BIOTECH. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > BIOTECH. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing BIZ 0a1,2 > BIZ. 172000 NS CEREBUS.MCS.COM. > BIZ. 172000 NS KITTEN.MCS.COM. Comparing BJ Comparing BM Comparing BN Comparing BO Comparing BOOKS 0a1,2 > BOOKS. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > BOOKS. 172800 NS NS2.USNIC.NET. Comparing BOSTON 0a1,3 > BOSTON. 172800 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > BOSTON. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > BOSTON. 172800 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. Comparing BR Comparing BROKER 0a1,3 > BROKER. 172800 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > BROKER. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > BROKER. 172800 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. Comparing BS Comparing BW Comparing BY Comparing BZ Comparing CA Comparing CASINO 0a1,3 > CASINO. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > CASINO. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > CASINO. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing CF Comparing CG Comparing CH Comparing CHAIN 0a1,3 > CHAIN. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > CHAIN. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > CHAIN. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing CI Comparing CITY 0a1,2 > CITY. 172800 NS NS.NIC.CITY. > CITY. 172800 NS NSP1.NIC.CITY. Comparing CK Comparing CL Comparing CM Comparing CN Comparing CO Comparing COM Comparing COMICS 0a1,4 > COMICS. 172800 NS NS1.TERRA.NET. > COMICS. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > COMICS. 172800 NS NS2.TERRA.NET. > COMICS. 172800 NS NS2.USNIC.NET. Comparing COMP 0a1,2 > COMP. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > COMP. 172800 NS NS2.USNIC.NET. Comparing CORE 0a1,3 > CORE. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > CORE. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > CORE. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing CORP 0a1,2 > CORP. 172000 NS CEREBUS.MCS.COM. > CORP. 172000 NS KITTEN.MCS.COM. Comparing COUPONS 0a1,2 > COUPONS. 172800 NS NS1.HIGGS.NET. > COUPONS. 172800 NS NS2.HIGGS.NET. Comparing CPA 0a1,2 > CPA. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > CPA. 172800 NS NS2.USNIC.NET. Comparing CR Comparing CRUISE 0a1,2 > CRUISE. 172800 NS NS3.ALASKAONE.COM. > CRUISE. 172800 NS NS3.CONSULT.ORG. Comparing CU Comparing CV Comparing CY Comparing CZ Comparing DATA 0a1,2 > DATA. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > DATA. 172800 NS NS2.USNIC.NET. Comparing DATE 0a1,3 > DATE. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > DATE. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > DATE. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing DE Comparing DENTIST 0a1,2 > DENTIST. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > DENTIST. 172800 NS NS2.USNIC.NET. Comparing DJ Comparing DK Comparing DM Comparing DO Comparing DOT 0a1,6 > DOT. 172800 NS AARDVARK.WR.UMIST.AC.UK. > DOT. 172800 NS HOMER.NCM.COM. > DOT. 172800 NS LONEPEAK.VII.COM. > DOT. 172800 NS NS1.OP.NET. > DOT. 172800 NS SERVER.BRIDGEND.CYMRU.NET. > DOT. 172800 NS SNOWCRASH.CYMRU.NET. Comparing DZ Comparing EARTH 0a1,4 > EARTH. 172000 NS NS.AGN.NET. > EARTH. 172000 NS NS2.NIC.EARTH. > EARTH. 172000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. > EARTH. 172000 NS SIMBA.AGN.NET. Comparing EC Comparing EDU Comparing EE Comparing EG Comparing ER Comparing ES Comparing ESQ 0a1,2 > ESQ. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > ESQ. 172800 NS NS2.USNIC.NET. Comparing ET Comparing EUR 0a1,2 > EUR. 172800 NS NS1.WEBSERVICES.NET. > EUR. 172800 NS NS2.WEBSERVICES.NET. Comparing EXP 0a1,4 > EXP. 172000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. > EXP. 172000 NS DAD.ALTERNIC.NET. > EXP. 172000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. > EXP. 172000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. Comparing FAM 0a1,2 > FAM. 172000 NS RS1.LANMINDS.COM. > FAM. 172000 NS RS2.LANMINDS.COM. Comparing FAX 0a1,2 > FAX. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > FAX. 172800 NS NS2.USNIC.NET. Comparing FCN Comparing FI Comparing FILM 0a1,2 > FILM. 172800 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. > FILM. 172800 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. Comparing FISH 0a1,2 > FISH. 172800 NS NS3.ALASKAONE.COM. > FISH. 172800 NS NS3.CONSULT.ORG. Comparing FJ Comparing FM Comparing FMS 0a1,3 > FMS. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > FMS. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > FMS. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing FO Comparing FR Comparing FREE 0a1,2 > FREE. 172000 NS NS.ALPHAQUE.COM. > FREE. 172000 NS NS2.ALPHAQUE.COM. Comparing FTP 0a1,3 > FTP. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > FTP. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > FTP. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing FUND 0a1,2 > FUND. 172800 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. > FUND. 172800 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. Comparing GAME Comparing GAY 0a1,2 > GAY. 172800 NS ANAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG. > GAY. 172800 NS SYNAESTHESIA.COGNOSCENTI.ORG. Comparing GB Comparing GD Comparing GE Comparing GEO 0a1,3 > GEO. 172800 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > GEO. 172800 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > GEO. 172800 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. Comparing GES Comparing GF Comparing GG Comparing GH Comparing GI Comparing GL 3d2 < GL. 172800 NS KAASASSUK.GH.GL. 6d4 < GL. 172800 NS TGSERV.TELE.GL. Comparing GN Comparing GOV Comparing GP Comparing GR Comparing GT Comparing GU Comparing GW Comparing GY Comparing HAM 0a1,3 > HAM. 172800 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > HAM. 172800 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > HAM. 172800 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. Comparing HELP Comparing HEX 0a1,3 > HEX. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > HEX. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > HEX. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing HIGGS 0a1,2 > HIGGS. 172000 NS NS1.HIGGS.NET. > HIGGS. 172000 NS NS2.HIGGS.NET. Comparing HK Comparing HN Comparing HOME 0a1,3 > HOME. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > HOME. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > HOME. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing HOTEL 0a1,3 > HOTEL. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > HOTEL. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > HOTEL. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing HR Comparing HU Comparing HUNT 0a1,2 > HUNT. 172800 NS NS3.ALASKAONE.COM. > HUNT. 172800 NS NS3.CONSULT.ORG. Comparing ID Comparing IE Comparing IL Comparing IM Comparing IN Comparing INC 0a1,2 > INC. 172000 NS NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET. > INC. 172000 NS NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET. Comparing INT Comparing IR Comparing IRAN 0a1,3 > IRAN. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > IRAN. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > IRAN. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing IS Comparing ISP 0a1,3 > ISP. 172800 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > ISP. 172800 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > ISP. 172800 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. Comparing IT Comparing ITG 0a1,2 > ITG. 172800 NS NS3.ALASKAONE.COM. > ITG. 172800 NS NS3.CONSULT.ORG. Comparing ITN Comparing JAVA 0a1,3 > JAVA. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > JAVA. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > JAVA. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing JE Comparing JM Comparing JO Comparing JP Comparing JPN 0a1,3 > JPN. 172800 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. > JPN. 172800 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. > JPN. 172800 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. Comparing K12 0a1,2 > K12. 172000 NS CEREBUS.MCS.COM. > K12. 172000 NS KITTEN.MCS.COM. Comparing KE Comparing KH Comparing KI Comparing KIDS 0a1,3 > KIDS. 172800 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > KIDS. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > KIDS. 172800 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. Comparing KN Comparing KOSHER 0a1,2 > KOSHER. 172800 NS NS1.HIGGS.NET. > KOSHER. 172800 NS NS2.HIGGS.NET. Comparing KR Comparing KTI 0a1,3 > KTI. 172800 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > KTI. 172800 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > KTI. 172800 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. Comparing KW Comparing KY Comparing KZ Comparing LA Comparing LAB 0a1,3 > LAB. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > LAB. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > LAB. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing LABS 0a1,3 > LABS. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > LABS. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > LABS. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing LAW 0a1,2 > LAW. 172000 NS NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET. > LAW. 172000 NS NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET. Comparing LB Comparing LC Comparing LI Comparing LK Comparing LNX 0a1,4 > LNX. 172000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. > LNX. 172000 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. > LNX. 172000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. > LNX. 172000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. Comparing LS Comparing LT Comparing LTD 0a1,4 > LTD. 172000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. > LTD. 172000 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. > LTD. 172000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. > LTD. 172000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. Comparing LU Comparing LV Comparing MA Comparing MAG 0a1,3 > MAG. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > MAG. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > MAG. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing MAIL 0a1,2 > MAIL. 172000 NS NS1.GLOBECOMM.NET. > MAIL. 172000 NS NS2.GLOBECOMM.NET. Comparing MALL 0a1,2 > MALL. 172000 NS NS.UNETY.COM. > MALL. 172000 NS NS.UNETY.NET. Comparing MC Comparing MD Comparing MED 0a1,4 > MED. 172000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. > MED. 172000 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. > MED. 172000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. > MED. 172000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. Comparing METRO Comparing MEX Comparing MG Comparing MH Comparing MIL Comparing MIND 0a1,3 > MIND. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > MIND. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > MIND. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing MK Comparing ML Comparing MM Comparing MN Comparing MO Comparing MP Comparing MQ 1,5d0 < MQ. 172800 NS CORREOS.SEKER.ES. < MQ. 172800 NS MANTA.DOMNET.COM. < MQ. 172800 NS NS.PARSER.ES. < MQ. 172800 NS NS.PIXAR.ES. < MQ. 172800 NS SERVIDOR.MICROASTUR.ES. Comparing MR Comparing MT Comparing MU Comparing MUSIC 0a1,3 > MUSIC. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > MUSIC. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > MUSIC. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing MV Comparing MW Comparing MX 1c1,4 < MX. 172800 NS DNS.MTY.ITESM.MX. --- > MX. 172800 NS APOLLO.TELECOM.IPN.MX. > MX. 172800 NS AUTH02.NS.UU.NET. > MX. 172800 NS DNS.PUE.UDLAP.MX. > MX. 172800 NS DNS2.INFOSEL.NET.MX. 3c6 < MX. 172800 NS SUNMEX.MEXNET.NET.MX. --- > MX. 172800 NS SUNMEX.MTY.ITESM.MX. Comparing MY Comparing MZ Comparing NA Comparing NC Comparing NE Comparing NET Comparing NEWS 0a1,2 > NEWS. 172000 NS NS1.HIGGS.NET. > NEWS. 172000 NS NS2.HIGGS.NET. Comparing NEWSPAGE 0a1,3 > NEWSPAGE. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > NEWSPAGE. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > NEWSPAGE. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing NEWYORK 0a1,3 > NEWYORK. 172800 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > NEWYORK. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > NEWYORK. 172800 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. Comparing NF Comparing NG Comparing NI Comparing NIC 0a1,3 > NIC. 172000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. > NIC. 172000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. > NIC. 172000 NS TORONTO.ALTERNIC.NET. Comparing NIHON 0a1,2 > NIHON. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > NIHON. 172800 NS NS2.USNIC.NET. Comparing NL Comparing NO 0a1 > NO. 172800 NS AUN.UNINETT.NO. 3d3 < NO. 172800 NS NN.UNINETT.NO. Comparing NP Comparing NPO 0a1,2 > NPO. 172000 NS CEREBUS.MCS.COM. > NPO. 172000 NS KITTEN.MCS.COM. Comparing NUM 0a1,3 > NUM. 172000 NS SERVER1.NUM.NET. > NUM. 172000 NS SERVER2.NUM.NET. > NUM. 172000 NS SERVER3.NUM.NET. Comparing NYC 0a1,3 > NYC. 172800 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > NYC. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > NYC. 172800 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. Comparing NZ Comparing OM Comparing ORG Comparing PA Comparing PARK 0a1,3 > PARK. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > PARK. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > PARK. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing PE Comparing PER 0a1,3 > PER. 172800 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. > PER. 172800 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. > PER. 172800 NS TORONTO.ALTERNIC.NET. Comparing PF Comparing PG Comparing PH Comparing PHARM 0a1,3 > PHARM. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > PHARM. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > PHARM. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing PHONE 0a1,2 > PHONE. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > PHONE. 172800 NS NS2.USNIC.NET. Comparing PK Comparing PL Comparing PLC 0a1,4 > PLC. 172800 NS NS1.TERRA.NET. > PLC. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > PLC. 172800 NS NS2.TERRA.NET. > PLC. 172800 NS NS2.USNIC.NET. Comparing PORN Comparing PORNO Comparing PR 3d2 < PR. 172800 NS UPR1.UPR.CLU.EDU. Comparing PRO 0a1,2 > PRO. 172000 NS NS.NIC.WEB. > PRO. 172000 NS NSP1.NIC.WEB. Comparing PT Comparing PY Comparing QA Comparing RADIO Comparing REBATES 0a1,2 > REBATES. 172800 NS NS1.HIGGS.NET. > REBATES. 172800 NS NS2.HIGGS.NET. Comparing RESORT 0a1,2 > RESORT. 172800 NS NS3.ALASKAONE.COM. > RESORT. 172800 NS NS3.CONSULT.ORG. Comparing RO Comparing ROBOT 0a1,3 > ROBOT. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > ROBOT. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > ROBOT. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing ROBOTICS 0a1,3 > ROBOTICS. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > ROBOTICS. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > ROBOTICS. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing RU 3d2 < RU. 172800 NS NS.RIPN.NET. 5a5 > RU. 172800 NS SPARKY.ARL.MIL. Comparing RW Comparing SA Comparing SB 1c1,3 < SB. 172800 NS WARRANE.CONNECT.COM.AU. --- > SB. 172800 NS JATZ.AARNET.EDU.AU. > SB. 172800 NS NS.RIPE.NET. > SB. 172800 NS TRF.NIC.AD.JP. Comparing SCIFI 0a1,3 > SCIFI. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > SCIFI. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > SCIFI. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing SE Comparing SEA 0a1,3 > SEA. 172000 NS DNS1.SEANET.COM. > SEA. 172000 NS DNS2.SEANET.COM. > SEA. 172000 NS DNS3.SEANET.COM. Comparing SEX 0a1,2 > SEX. 172800 NS FASTLANE.CA. > SEX. 172800 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. Comparing SG Comparing SHOP 0a1,5 > . 518400 NS A-ROOT.EDNS.NET. > . 518400 NS B-ROOT.EDNS.NET. > . 518400 NS C-ROOT.EDNS.NET. > . 518400 NS D-ROOT.EDNS.NET. > . 518400 NS E-ROOT.EDNS.NET. Comparing SI Comparing SK Comparing SKI 0a1,3 > SKI. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > SKI. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > SKI. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing SKY 0a1,2 > SKY. 172800 NS FASTLANE.CA. > SKY. 172800 NS SKYSCAPE.NET. Comparing SM Comparing SN Comparing SOUND 0a1,3 > SOUND. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > SOUND. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > SOUND. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing SR Comparing STOCK Comparing SU Comparing SV Comparing SY 0a1 > SY. 172800 NS ELWOOD.METROLINK.NET. 4d4 < SY. 172800 NS NS1.METROLINK.NET. Comparing SZ Comparing TC Comparing TECH 0a1,3 > TECH. 172800 NS DPRCROOT.MINDSTORM.COM. > TECH. 172800 NS OPTICAL.MINDSTORM.COM. > TECH. 172800 NS WICKED.STIGMATA.ORG. Comparing TG Comparing TH Comparing TLD 0a1,3 > TLD. 172800 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > TLD. 172800 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > TLD. 172800 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. Comparing TN Comparing TO Comparing TOUR 0a1,2 > TOUR. 172000 NS NS1.USVI.NET. > TOUR. 172000 NS NS2.USVI.NET. Comparing TR Comparing TT Comparing TV Comparing TW Comparing TZ Comparing UA Comparing UG Comparing UK Comparing URL 0a1,3 > URL. 172800 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > URL. 172800 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > URL. 172800 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. Comparing US Comparing USA 0a1,4 > USA. 172000 NS NS.AGN.NET. > USA. 172000 NS NS2.NIC.EARTH. > USA. 172000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. > USA. 172000 NS SIMBA.AGN.NET. Comparing USVI 0a1,2 > USVI. 172000 NS NS1.USVI.NET. > USVI. 172000 NS NS2.USVI.NET. Comparing UY Comparing UZ Comparing VA Comparing VC Comparing VE Comparing VG Comparing VI Comparing VID 0a1,3 > VID. 172800 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > VID. 172800 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > VID. 172800 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. Comparing VIDEO 0a1,3 > VIDEO. 172800 NS DNS.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > VIDEO. 172800 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > VIDEO. 172800 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. Comparing VN Comparing VU Comparing WEB 0a1,2 > WEB. 172000 NS NS.IODESIGN.COM. > WEB. 172000 NS NSP1.IODESIGN.COM. Comparing WET Comparing WS Comparing WTV Comparing WWW 0a1,3 > WWW. 172800 NS NS1.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. > WWW. 172800 NS NS1.USNIC.NET. > WWW. 172800 NS NS2.STARFIRE.DOUGLAS.MA.US. Comparing XXX 0a1,4 > XXX. 172000 NS ARAGORN.ALTERNIC.NET. > XXX. 172000 NS EEK.HTTPD.COM. > XXX. 172000 NS MX.ALTERNIC.NET. > XXX. 172000 NS NYC.ALTERNIC.NET. Comparing XYZ Comparing YE Comparing YU Comparing ZA Comparing ZINE Comparing ZM Comparing ZONE 0a1,2 > ZONE. 172000 NS NS1.USVI.NET. > ZONE. 172000 NS NS2.USVI.NET. Comparing ZOO 0a1,3 > ZOO. 172800 NS JFWHOME.FUNHOUSE.COM. > ZOO. 172800 NS MEJAC.PALO-ALTO.CA.US. > ZOO. 172800 NS NS1.VRX.NET. Comparing ZR Comparing ZW =============================================

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The Cidr Report
by Tony Bates 20 May '97

20 May '97

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Better RED than Dead.
by bmanning＠ISI.EDU 20 May '97

20 May '97

Lots of good press these days on the value of RED or W-RED. What might be a useful benchmark to collect is the size of queue length on border router interfaces (at both public and private peering points) so that there might be some accurate data on just how RED will affect behaviour of said gear. Some estimates have RED capable hardware (other than the wonderful work that Curtis has done) available for mere mortals in the next couple of months. As for me, I'm collecting interface queue lengths at LAP/MAE-LA off the participating routers... Any thoughts? -- --bill

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Re: Warning, CDP interaction at Mae-EAST
by Brett D. Watson 20 May '97

20 May '97

> > Why on EARTH?!? would _ANYONE_ run CDP at a MAE or any other exchange point? > > Given that its on by default cdp needs to either be turned off completely, > or disabled for a particular interface, folks probably just leave it on. > > I highly doubt CDP contributes to congestion problems with the little > amount of traffic it generates - Although if you've ever looked at some of > the traffic at the Mae's you'd be sickened by all of the other things > floating around. debug ip udp sometime on a nap router. there are many wonderful bits of traffic floating around: peer1.wdc1# May 20 14:53:03.681 MST: UDP: rcvd src=192.41.177.98(520), dst=192.41.177.255(520) May 20 14:53:07.968 MST: UDP: rcvd src=207.240.0.1(123), dst=207.240.56.2(123), length=56 May 20 14:53:08.396 MST: UDP: rcvd src=192.41.177.70(123), dst=255.255.255.255(123), length=56no May 20 14:53:18.152 MST: UDP: rcvd src=207.240.0.25(123), dst=207.240.56.2(123), length=56 debug all cool, broadcast ntp, broadcast rip. i'm even seeing bootp from various peers here and at mae-west. i noticed this last year sometime and posted about it. i wonder how much all this extraneous garbage really contributes to total traffic at the naps. -brett

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