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Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX
by Clayton Zekelman 21 Dec '18

21 Dec '18

TorIX is a great example of a not for profit IX that is very successful. https://www.torix.ca/ A very dedicated team of people provide an incredible level of service. Thave a very transparent process. Their pricing is listed up front on their website: https://www.torix.ca/peering/#pricing At 09:03 AM 21/12/2018, Mike Hammett wrote: >As far as neutral, I meant separate from the >datacenters in which they're housed. People in >NA seem to think there are only two kinds of >IXes, Equinix, DRT, Coresite types and NWAX, SIX, MICE types. > > > >----- >Mike Hammett ><http://www.ics-il.com/>Intelligent Computing Solutions > ><http://www.midwest-ix.com/>Midwest Internet Exchange > ><http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>The Brothers WISP > > >---------- >From: "Tim Raphael" <raphael.timothy(a)gmail.com> >To: "NANOG Mailing List" <nanog(a)nanog.org> >Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:39:42 PM >Subject: Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX > >The other point to consider is that a NFP can >justify more locations and offer services (such >as extended reach) that donât have the same >profit margins or ROI as for-profits. >This often leads to greater value to those with >smaller networks and fewer customers allowing >them to grow and expand without increased >aggregation or transit costs. This in-turn leads >to a richer array of providers and chips away at >the monopolies in niche markets. > >The NFP IXP I work for focuses on providing >value to the broader community and the Internet >as a whole - especially somewhere like Australia which has unique constraints. > >Additionally, âNeutralâ and For-Profit >doesnât always compute in my mind, there will >always be commercial alliances that lead to not-total neutrality. >When a NFP is owned by itâs members there has >to be 100% transparency in organisational >decisions around member funds and resources >which ensures accountability reliability. > >- Tim > > > > On 21 Dec 2018, at 3:58 am, Brielle Bruns <bruns(a)2mbit.com> wrote: > > > > On 12/20/2018 12:51 PM, Aaron wrote: > >> Probably price. Also perception of > value. If you're a for profit enterprise then > they're paying for interconnection plus your > bump. If you're non-profit the perception is > that there is a larger value because there's no > bump. Whether that's true or not, who knows > but that's the perception I've heard. > > > > Depending on the size of the non-profit, I'd > almost compare it to how the hospitals are here in Boise. > > > > The non-profits are oversized, monopolistic, > price gouging, etc. Their care can be pretty > meh, esp since they bought up all the little > independent clinics (yay, ER pricing for a basic family clinic visit). > > > > The for-profit smaller clinics and hospitals > run a pretty tight ship, better value for their > money, service is very good, and compete with > one another for who has the best service. > > > > People think they are getting 'better' > because they are going to a place that is > supposed to be run to benefit people over > profit, but alas, you'd be very very wrong. > > -- > > Brielle Bruns > > The Summit Open Source Development Group > > http://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org > > > > -- Clayton Zekelman Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi) 3363 Tecumseh Rd. E Windsor, Ontario N8W 1H4 tel. 519-985-8410 fax. 519-985-8409

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Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX
by Mike Hammett 21 Dec '18

21 Dec '18

What are your thoughts on why a network would join a non-profit IX, but not a neutral, for-profit IX? Let's assume that traffic levels are similar. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP

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Facebook doesn't have a route to my ISP's (Cogeco) IPv6 space?
by Brian J. Murrell 21 Dec '18

21 Dec '18

I've been trying to figure out why I can reach an IPv6 address at Facebook (2a03:2880:f012:3:face:b00c:0:1) through (only) one of my two Internet connections as well as via an HE IPv6 tunnel but not the other of my two ISP connections At one point in time a traceroute was dying inside of he.net: Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1. 2001:1970:5261:d600::1 0.0% 7 2.1 1.3 0.7 2.9 0.8 2. 2001:1970:4000:82::1 0.0% 7 10.0 14.0 8.3 37.9 10.6 3. 2001:1970:0:1a6::1 16.7% 7 13.2 215.5 10.8 1031. 455.9 4. he.ip6.torontointernetxchange.net 0.0% 7 12.3 12.9 11.2 15.3 1.6 5. 100ge9-2.core2.chi1.he.net 0.0% 7 23.6 23.0 21.3 27.6 2.2 6. 100ge15-2.core1.chi1.he.net 0.0% 7 21.7 22.5 21.6 24.9 1.2 7. 100ge12-1.core1.atl1.he.net 0.0% 7 34.2 35.1 34.1 36.1 0.7 8. 100ge5-1.core1.tpa1.he.net 0.0% 7 49.1 46.6 44.8 49.1 1.5 9. 100ge12-1.core1.mia1.he.net 0.0% 7 51.6 54.5 50.5 73.3 8.3 10. ??? But I think it getting that far time was an anomaly and frankly it usually dies even before exiting my ISP's (Cogeco) network like this: Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1. 2001:1970:5261:d600::1 0.0% 33 0.6 0.7 0.6 1.0 0.1 2. 2001:1970:4000:82::1 0.0% 33 8.2 10.8 8.1 40.5 5.6 3. 2001:1970:0:1a7::1 15.2% 33 23.4 20.1 16.5 23.4 1.5 4. 2001:1970:0:61::1 33.3% 33 16.8 17.6 14.5 25.9 2.5 5. 2001:1978:1300::1 0.0% 33 16.0 17.5 14.2 29.6 3.1 6. 2001:1978:203::45 0.0% 33 30.7 30.7 28.4 35.1 1.7 7. ??? When I asked the kind folks at he.net for some advice about the problem (i.e. in the first traceroute above) their diagnosis was that Facebook's IPv6 router(s) likely didn't have a route back to my Cogeco IPv6 address. Trying to talk to my ISP (again, Cogeco) has been impossible. One simply cannot reach the people who know more than how to reset your router and configure your e-mail. I wonder how I could go any further with this to confirm the diagnosis that Facebook doesn't have a route to the Cogeco network's IPv6 address space given that I only have access to my end of the path. Cheers, b.

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Auto-reply from Yahoo...
by Grant Taylor 20 Dec '18

20 Dec '18

Is anyone else receiving the "Your message to REDACTED (was: $oldSubject)" auto-responses to posts to NANOG? I've been seeing them for three or four days now. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

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historical Bogon lists
by Lars Prehn 20 Dec '18

20 Dec '18

Hi everyone, In order to sanitize historical BGP data I would like to use historical Bogon lists. The CIDR report generates those lists on a daily basis (e.g. https://www.cidr-report.org/bogons/freespace-dec.txt for prefixes) but, as far as I know, it does not keep a history of those files - it only holds the most up-to-date file. Does anybody know of a repository that contains such bogon lists for historical data, or, did anybody continiously fecthed and saved CIDR report's bogon lists? Best regards, Lars

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[Request] Contact information for CenturyLink network operations
by Don Fanning 20 Dec '18

20 Dec '18

Hi all, Got a network issue with a DoS'er originating from Comcast into CenturyLink but unable to find the right people to work on this from the CenturyLink side. Looking for a contact to reach me off-list to help solve this or insert a block in a upstream router. Thanks! -Don

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godaddy contacts
by DurgaPrasad - DatasoftComnet 20 Dec '18

20 Dec '18

Hi, Is anyone from godaddy in this list? We believe they are announcing our BGP pool. The IP in 17th hop IP pool is ours as a result some of our customers are not able to login to godaddy. C:\Users\DP>tracert sso.godaddy.com Tracing route to sso.godaddy.com [104.238.65.153] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 2 ms 1 ms 3 ms 192.168.225.1 2 4 ms 2 ms 2 ms 10.24.0.1 3 4 ms 2 ms 3 ms 103.40.48.13 4 4 ms 2 ms 2 ms vbc-10g-ccr.vbctv.in [123.108.200.5] 5 4 ms 2 ms 2 ms vbc-10g-asr.vbctv.in [123.108.200.42] 6 5 ms 2 ms 2 ms 14.142.71.141.static-hydrabad.vsnl.net.in [14.142.71.141] 7 26 ms 32 ms 27 ms 172.25.81.134 8 46 ms 33 ms 35 ms ix-ae-0-4.tcore1.mlv-mumbai.as6453.net [180.87.38.5] 9 150 ms 148 ms 147 ms if-ae-5-2.tcore1.wyn-marseille.as6453.net [180.87.38.126] 10 147 ms 147 ms 146 ms if-ae-8-1600.tcore1.pye-paris.as6453.net [80.231.217.6] 11 147 ms 145 ms 145 ms if-ae-11-2.tcore1.pvu-paris.as6453.net [80.231.153.49] 12 * * 143 ms 80.231.153.66 13 * 318 ms * ae-1-11.bear1.Phoenix1.Level3.net [4.69.210.157] 14 274 ms 337 ms 305 ms THE-GO-DADD.bear1.Phoenix1.Level3.net [4.16.142.186] 15 329 ms 278 ms 340 ms ip-148-72-32-9.ip.secureserver.net [148.72.32.9] 16 269 ms 282 ms 315 ms ip-184-168-0-117.ip.secureserver.net [184.168.0.117] 17 333 ms 289 ms 288 ms 125.62.192.197 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 291 ms 275 ms 273 ms ip-104-238-65-153.ip.secureserver.net [104.238.65.153] Trace complete. Regards Durga Prasad --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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routeviews.org pending delete
by Siyuan Miao 20 Dec '18

20 Dec '18

All, routeviews.org is pending delete now. Domain Name: ROUTEVIEWS.ORG Registry Domain ID: D48496876-LROR Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.networksolutions.com Registrar URL: http://www.networksolutions.com Updated Date: 2018-12-17T09:33:18Z Creation Date: 2000-12-14T23:05:47Z Registry Expiry Date: 2019-12-14T23:05:47Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: Registrar: Network Solutions, LLC Registrar IANA ID: 2 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse(a)web.com Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8003337680 Reseller: Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited Domain Status: autoRenewPeriod https://icann.org/epp#autoRenewPeriod Registrant Organization: Network Solutions LLC Registrant State/Province: FL Registrant Country: US Name Server: NS1.PENDINGRENEWALDELETION.COM Name Server: NS2.PENDINGRENEWALDELETION.COM DNSSEC: unsigned URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form https://www.icann.org/wicf/ ) >>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2018-12-17T12:28:37Z <<< routeviews.org. 86400 IN NS ns2.pendingrenewaldeletion.com. routeviews.org. 86400 IN NS ns1.pendingrenewaldeletion.com. I was wondering if there is anyone here can contact them to renew it if this project is still alive. Regards, Siyuan

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Salesmen: ARIN Records are NOT Leads
by Izaac 19 Dec '18

19 Dec '18

Just a reminder. Grrr. -- . ___ ___ . . ___ . \ / |\ |\ \ . _\_ /__ |-\ |-\ \__

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Network Atlas End of Year 2018 Update
by Mehmet Akcin 19 Dec '18

19 Dec '18

NANOG Friends, The final month of 2018 is going to be a busy one for Network Atlas, and while I still have a few spare hours, I wanted to share some exciting updates and address a few questions. First, I would like to thank all the people who believe in Network Atlas and have helped it get to where it is today. Network Atlas is at its heart a community concept, and it is energizing to see so many of you excited about its potential and interested in making it better. To that end, the Network Atlas team will be spending the next month working feverishly to improve the product and get it ready for 2019. I am very excited to announce the following list of features that should come online early next year: 1. Cable system operation status allows users to see which segments are up/down/partial and their last outage, along with textual details of previous outages with potential for links 2. Cable system information - length, activation date, and estimated end-of-life 3. Fast page load time of <5 secs for users within the US 4. 3D data center locations 5. “Buy capacity” - a form that generates an email to a specified cable owner 6. Report-an-issue on routes for users to send feedback 7. Ability for users to receive email notifications about cable status changes ,Option to show subsea cables only , Option to show active cables only, Option to show future cables only 8. A Time Machine function that will show cables that will be active in the future 9. Ability to add custom fields in select or all cables to show information such as latency3-tiered Network Atlas Cable 10. Management UI: Users can:Add/Delete/Replace I can’t wait to share this next phase of Network Atlas with you all. Once it’s complete, it will truly be “one map to rule them all.” Next up, let me address the elephant in the room. As many of you know, Network Atlas’ Kickstarter for $100K for 2019 funding came up short of meeting its goal(we cancelled it before the time because many of you reached out wanting to support directly not via Kickstart). However, it was an excellent learning experience, as it provided a chance to interact with potential donors and hear their questions. One of those questions was if Network Atlas could show its 3-year plan for the project. In the interest of transparency, I would like to share with you Network Atlas’ proposed 3-year operating budget as of today. You can see this as details in our blog - https://www.networkatlas.org/blog/eoy2018 Month of December, we will freeze adding new fiber routes to Network Atlas, this will allow us to focus on working the 10 feature we have explained above. If you want to upload fiber routes you own and authorized, feel free to go to https://kmzs.networkatlas.org <https://kmzs.networkatlas.org> and upload them and please include your email address in the file name (or create a colder with readme in it) so we can reach back with questions. Our self-service portal will solve this issue in January :) Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning. Have a wonderful December, and a happy new year! Mehmet

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