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Re: 100G over 100 km of dark fiber
by Jared Brown 03 Nov '20

03 Nov '20

Turns out I was wrong, again. There is at least one vendor that offers pluggable 100G QSFP28 optics that can reach 120 km with amplification. Thanks to everybody that reached out! I appreciate all the input and lessons learned. Jared ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello NANOG! I need to push 100G over 100 km of dark fiber. Since there are no 100G pluggable optics with this reach (~25 dB), I have been offered coherent transport systems to solve my problem. This is all good and well, except total system costs start from high five figures. So, my question is, do I have any other options? I can't help noticing that you can break out a 100G QSFP into four 25G QSFPs. 25G DWDM systems are relatively inexpensive (low five figures), but can you make 25G DWDM go 100 km? I only need the one 100G, so I don't really need a highly scalable DWDM system. I can't put anything midspan, or if I could it would cost more than just going with a coherent system. Jared

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Youtube TV Location error. Google Confirms issue but can't fix.
by Nate Burke 03 Nov '20

03 Nov '20

Anyone here from the Youtube TV side of Google? I've had a ticket open for 2 months on one of my /24 subnets getting the wrong City location. Every ticket reply from Google confirms that they see the incorrect location, They reference that it is part of a larger geo-location problem with YoutubeTV, and it's been sent to engineering. For 2 months Engineering has been 'working on a fix' with no ETA. Anyone know what this massive geo-location issue is that they reference, and when it will be fixed? Other subnets are locating correction, just this one /24, that's part of a larger block I've had for 20 years. Nate Burke Blast Communications

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RSS Feed for this list?
by Timothy Brown 03 Nov '20

03 Nov '20

Hi, I noticed that now the old gossamer-threads.com archives of the NANOG mailing list are redirecting to a hosting company or MSP. I used to consume these archives via RSS as it was a little easier for me than grinding through a NANOG folder. Is there any extant RSS feed for the NANOG list? Tim

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FCC Announces All Of Puerto Rico To Have Access To High-Speed Broadband Service
by Sean Donelan 03 Nov '20

03 Nov '20

FCC Announces All Of Puerto Rico To Have Access To High-Speed Broadband Service As A Result Of Uniendo A Puerto Rico Fund Nearly a Third of Locations Will Get Speeds of At Least 1 Gbps with All Other Locations Getting Speeds of At Least 100 Mbps https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-announces-usf-support-high-speed-broadband… WASHINGTON, November 2, 2020—The Federal Communications Commission’s Wireline Competition Bureau today announced that funding through Stage 2 of the Uniendo a Puerto Rico Fund will result in all locations in Puerto Rico having access to fixed broadband service with speeds of at least 100 Mbps. And nearly one-third of those locations will have access to fixed broadband service with speeds of at least 1 Gbps. Two winning applicants in the Uniendo a Puerto Rico Stage 2 Competitive Process submitted bids for $127.1 million in funding over 10 years covering more than 1.2 million locations through a competitive process that awarded support for fixed voice and broadband services based on the weighting of price and network performance, including speed, latency, usage allowance, and resiliency. Liberty Communications has committed to offering service to over 914,000 locations, and Puerto Rico Telephone Company will offer service to over 308,000 locations.

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Newbie Questions: How-to remove spurious IRR records (and keep them out for good)?
by Pirawat WATANAPONGSE 02 Nov '20

02 Nov '20

Dear Guru(s), I am seeking advice concerning someone else announcing IRR records on resources belonging to me. [I was referred to this mailing list from the DNS-OARC community.] Context: I have already registered all my IP address blocks with ROA/RPKI [evidence: https://stat.ripe.net/widget/as-routing-consistency#w.resource=AS9411] However, HE reports a lot of spurious IRR records on my resources [example: https://bgp.he.net/net/158.108.0.0/16#_irr] Question #1: Should I worry about those spurious records [Yes | No | Depends]? My fear is that other sites might accept those records without checking and thus be misled somewhere else, since ROV is not yet the behavior-in-majority. My other reasoning is that, if we are not going to keep accurate records, why bother keeping them at all anyway. Question #2: What can I do about it [in case the answer to Question #1 is Yes]? Should I notify those Database Admins? Will they consider me a nuisance? And most importantly: Will they erase those records for me, or will they just ignore me? Question #3: Did I not do something that can prevent those spurious records from happening in the first place? And, anything I can do now to prevent it from ever happening again? Thanks in advance for your advice(s), Pirawat.

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Brazil Transit
by Rod Beck 02 Nov '20

02 Nov '20

Hey Folks, I would be interested in understanding 100 GigE transit pricing in Sao Paulo. If you have any insight, contact me off line. Thanks. Regards, Roderick. Roderick Beck VP of Business Development United Cable Company www.unitedcablecompany.com<http://www.unitedcablecompany.com> New York City & Budapest rod.beck(a)unitedcablecompany.com Budapest: 36-70-605-5144 NJ: 908-452-8183 [1467221477350_image005.png]

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Re: att or sonic "residential" fiber service at a "nontraditional" residence.
by Mark Seiden 02 Nov '20

02 Nov '20

> On Nov 1, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Fletcher Kittredge <fkittred(a)gwi.net> wrote: > > > Sonic builds their own fiber; they are insurgents. This is a good thing and society would be better off with more competition among infrastructure providers. It needs to be funded somehow. > > You can cheat, but if you are a nonprofit doesn't that kinda go against mission? > > according to https://www.sonic.com/residential for the offering “fusion IP Broadband” Delivered over AT&T’s IP network using Fiber-to-the-Home or Fiber-to-the-Node Technology (technology based on location) This service uses AT&T infrastructure and is installed by an AT&T technician, you are required to use an AT&T supplied modem. This will be provided during your installation. > -- > Fletcher Kittredge > GWI > 207-602-1134 > www.gwi.net <http://www.gwi.net/>

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Re: att or sonic "residential" fiber service at a "nontraditional" residence.
by Mark Seiden 02 Nov '20

02 Nov '20

> On Nov 1, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Fletcher Kittredge <fkittred(a)gwi.net> wrote: > > > Sonic builds their own fiber; they are insurgents. This is a good thing and society would be better off with more competition among infrastructure providers. It needs to be funded somehow. > in san francisco, i know sonic was running their own fiber. but i was surprised when in my suburban residential neighborhood sonic started advertising availability to me suspiciously close to when att started aggressively marketing ftth as a substitute for ftt <neighborhood> > You can cheat, but if you are a nonprofit doesn't that kinda go against mission? > well, depends what you think the mission of an arts organization or a library is in these troubled times. that’s why i asked if this is cheating at any level other than that asserted by some vendor’s sales people. (i wtouldn’t want to violate a tariffed offering if only because they would have a legitimate reason to terminate service and some regulator or puc decided on the equities of the pricing.) i’ve never understand the “value of service” pricing (originated by ATT when it was “The Bell System") when it is deliberately decoupled from the cost of providing service. recall that the phone company charged more for touchtone service for decades, even though dialing register holding times were much lower for touchtone than dialpulse, so their costs were in fact lower for touchtone. Ridge Winery (started by engineers) uses tasting glasses which are designated “water glasses” by a famous glass maker. the bowls of the glasses (where the art is) are identical to those of their wine glasses, but the stems are an inch or so shorter. the price is about half. are they cheating? naah. they’re just smart glass hackers. > > > On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 8:23 PM Mark Seiden <mis(a)seiden.com <mailto:mis@seiden.com>> wrote: > att 1Gb/sec symmetric fiber is about $70/month. > > their “business class” service costs >10x that price. > > if i don’t want an SLA, does anything keep a non-profit organization from ordering (from att or sonic) residential service at what normally would be considered a business location? > sonic seems to overlay on the att fiber network (in parts of the sf bay area)? > > (say, for example, you have a caretaker who lives on premises and you terminate the fiber in or near the caretaker’s apartment…) > > (would this violate some tariff? could they refuse to install?) > > (for me this harkens back to much earlier days where i would order dry copper loops intended for alarm purposes and run data or conditioned audio over them…) > > > -- > Fletcher Kittredge > GWI > 207-602-1134 > www.gwi.net <http://www.gwi.net/>

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att or sonic "residential" fiber service at a "nontraditional" residence.
by Mark Seiden 02 Nov '20

02 Nov '20

att 1Gb/sec symmetric fiber is about $70/month. their “business class” service costs >10x that price. if i don’t want an SLA, does anything keep a non-profit organization from ordering (from att or sonic) residential service at what normally would be considered a business location? sonic seems to overlay on the att fiber network (in parts of the sf bay area)? (say, for example, you have a caretaker who lives on premises and you terminate the fiber in or near the caretaker’s apartment…) (would this violate some tariff? could they refuse to install?) (for me this harkens back to much earlier days where i would order dry copper loops intended for alarm purposes and run data or conditioned audio over them…)

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100G over 100 km of dark fiber
by Jared Brown 31 Oct '20

31 Oct '20

Hello NANOG! I need to push 100G over 100 km of dark fiber. Since there are no 100G pluggable optics with this reach (~25 dB), I have been offered coherent transport systems to solve my problem. This is all good and well, except total system costs start from high five figures. So, my question is, do I have any other options? I can't help noticing that you can break out a 100G QSFP into four 25G QSFPs. 25G DWDM systems are relatively inexpensive (low five figures), but can you make 25G DWDM go 100 km? I only need the one 100G, so I don't really need a highly scalable DWDM system. I can't put anything midspan, or if I could it would cost more than just going with a coherent system. Jared

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