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Re: Zayo Extortion
by Anne Mitchell 17 Aug '16

17 Aug '16

>> to say "our accounting system does not track invoice details -- it only shows the total amount due so your numbers mean nothing to us." >> All the while they relentlessly levied disconnect threats with short timelines such as: "if you don't pay us $128,000 by this Friday, >> we will shut your operation down." > [...] >> At one point their lawyers and accounting people had the nerve to say "our accounting system does not track invoice details > > Are you talking with your SP's lawyers without your a legal team of > your own present and advising you? > I think one of the first things they should tell you is not to discuss > pending disputes in public. Time to get > a consultation with your own Lawyers to assist with billing dispute > resolution, ASAP. Not to mention that accusing someone of a crime (extortion), in public (in this context I would argue that this is public, especially as the term 'community' was used in the allegation) is a pretty serious thing. Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law Legislative Consultant CEO/President, SuretyMail Email Reputation Certification and Inbox Delivery Assistance http://www.SuretyMail.com/ http://www.SuretyMail.eu/ Available for consultations by special arrangement. Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Member, California Bar Cyberspace Law Committee Member, Colorado Cybersecurity Consortium Member, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Committee Ret. Professor of Law, Lincoln Law School of San Jose Ret. Chair, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop amitchell(a)isipp.com | @AnnePMitchell Facebook/AnnePMitchell | LinkedIn/in/annemitchell

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gm.com / opel.com
by Paul Kelly :: Blacknight 16 Aug '16

16 Aug '16

Hi there, Could someone who looks after the email for General Motors please contact me off list? Some of our customers are experiencing bounce backs sending you emails and it looks like it’s DNS related. Thanks, Paul Paul Kelly CTO Blacknight Internet Solutions Limited Cloud Hosting, Colocation, Dedicated servers, IP Transit Services ISO 27001:2013 Certified Tel: +353(0)599183072 Lo-call: 1850 929 929 DDI: +353 (0) 59 9183091 Skype: flamegrill e-mail: paul(a)blacknight.com<mailto:paul@blacknight.com> web: http://www.blacknight.com<http://www.blacknight.com/> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park, Sleaty Road, Graiguecullen, Carlow, Ireland. Company No.: 370845

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Zayo Extortion
by HonorFirst Name Ethics 15 Aug '16

15 Aug '16

Question to the NANOG community, Is anyone else being extorted by Zayo? Is Zayo threatening shutdown over bogus and fabricated charges? The purpose of this message to the group is twofold: 1) to share our experience being extorted by Zayo with the community and 2) to understand the depth and extent of Zayo's less than ethical behavior by getting feedback from the community. Abovenet was a great organization with quality service, reasonable prices and nice folks to work with. Since being acquired by Zayo we have seen a significant degradation of service quality and responsiveness which is not unusual from a provider, but Zayo has taken things to a level of low ethics that would make Tony Soprano proud. Most interestingly they seem to identify points where you are dependent on them and threaten a shut down unless you pay them some arbitrary amount. In our case we use multiple Zayo IP, Transport, and Colo Services -- they set their extortion amount at $128,000. A completely arbitrary and fabricated number. They put significant pressure threatening to shut us down by setting their lawyers on us. Our detailed contract breakdowns, invoice and payment spreadsheets, along with all other commonsense and professional efforts were simply disregarded. At one point their lawyers and accounting people had the nerve to say "our accounting system does not track invoice details -- it only shows the total amount due so your numbers mean nothing to us." All the while they relentlessly levied disconnect threats with short timelines such as: "if you don't pay us $128,000 by this Friday, we will shut your operation down." We have had anecdotal feedback that we are not alone in our experience and that there are many more like us. If you and your company have had a similar experience with Zayo, please share it with the group or if like us you are concerned about retaliation from Zayo, please respond privately. If the group shares their experiences the public shaming may drive Zayo to stop operating like mafia thugs. If the problem is as common as we suspect, it may warrant getting the Attorney General involved. In the mean time, I strongly urge anyone already in a relationship with Zayo or considering a relationship to make sure your are well diversified with other more ethical carriers. Otherwise please consider another organization to work with. In our case we were better of with Ransomeware, than Zayo as a vendor! Its cheaper and less damaging A Zayo victim and a NANOG Member

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netflow + as path = buildout decision
by Randy Bush 15 Aug '16

15 Aug '16

my poor memory says that, some years back, someone announced or mentioned an open tool which i, a small isp, could feed my netflow data and bgp and ask if i should peer with X or build out or ... anyone with a more precise memory than i? randy

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ARIN Route Registry Issue
by Erik Sundberg 13 Aug '16

13 Aug '16

I am having some issues with ARIN Route Registry email not responding to emails that I am sending. I sent 3 emails on friday to rr(a)arin.net<mailto:rr@arin.net> with no response. Wondering if any one is having the same issue or if anyone from ARIn can chime in. I have opened a ticket with ARIN but its the weekend. Erik Sundberg Sr. Network Engineer Nitel 1101 West Lake Street,6th Fl Chicago, IL 60607 Desk: 773-661-5532 Cell: 708-710-7419 NOC 24/7: 866-892-0915 Email: esundberg(a)nitelusa.com<mailto:esundberg@nitelusa.com> http://www.nitelusa.com ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail. You must destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. Thank you.

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Re: CAIDA selected by FCC for internet performance measurement
by Scott Weeks 12 Aug '16

12 Aug '16

--- morrowc.lists(a)gmail.com wrote: From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists(a)gmail.com> isn't this what KC presented like 3 nanogs ago? ---------------------------------------------- For the archives: https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/caida.pdf ----------------------------------- Sorry, one more email. Better link: http://nanog.org/meetings/nanog66/agenda Tuesday, February 9 2016 2:30pm - 3:30pm Keynote: Internet Measurement Speakers: k claffy, CAIDA David Clark, MIT Geoff Huston, APNIC scott

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Re: CAIDA selected by FCC for internet performance measurement
by Scott Weeks 12 Aug '16

12 Aug '16

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Scott Weeks <surfer(a)mauigateway.com> wrote: > --- sean(a)donelan.com wrote: > From: Sean Donelan <sean(a)donelan.com> > > CAIDA has submitted to the FCC its initial proposal for > measuring internet interconnection point performance > metrics as part of the AT&T/DirecTV merger conditions. > > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/ > 2016/db0812/DA-16-909A1.pdf > ------------------------------------------------- > > > I don't seem to be able to get the pdf referred to in the > above link to open correctly. > > https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/108042516812991/MB%20Dkt%2014- > 90%20AT&T%20Inc.%20First%20Amended%20IME%20Report%20ECFS.PDF > > Anyone else get it to open? I want to find out about > the methodology. ------------------------------------------------ --- morrowc.lists(a)gmail.com wrote: From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists(a)gmail.com> isn't this what KC presented like 3 nanogs ago? ---------------------------------------------- For the archives: https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/caida.pdf Thanks Chris! scott

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Amazon BGP engineer for AWS router help.
by Bob Evans 12 Aug '16

12 Aug '16

I have a customer working for an Amazon department/division. Amazon gave this department an AWS connection where we have an AWS cross connect and direct fiber path established. I have the path as well as the customer side BGP router configured and can ping the AWS router. The Amazon department with console access has setup issues and can not bring up BGP. I do not see a single message sent from their AWS virtual BGP router. They won't give me the access to the console to help fix things. They opened a ticket last Saturday and still waiting for AWS staff help. I want to help everyone be successful maybe they will give an Amazon router engineer access to the console. Please contact me via email offline. Thank You Bob Evans CTO

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Re: CAIDA selected by FCC for internet performance measurement
by Scott Weeks 12 Aug '16

12 Aug '16

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Scott Weeks <surfer(a)mauigateway.com> wrote: > --- sean(a)donelan.com wrote: > From: Sean Donelan <sean(a)donelan.com> > > CAIDA has submitted to the FCC its initial proposal for > measuring internet interconnection point performance > metrics as part of the AT&T/DirecTV merger conditions. > > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/ > 2016/db0812/DA-16-909A1.pdf > ------------------------------------------------- > > > I don't seem to be able to get the pdf referred to in the > above link to open correctly. > > https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/108042516812991/MB%20Dkt%2014- > 90%20AT&T%20Inc.%20First%20Amended%20IME%20Report%20ECFS.PDF > > Anyone else get it to open? I want to find out about > the methodology. ------------------------------------------------- On the 5th download I finally got something more than zero bytes. Maybe they don't like Linux? >;-) --- morrowc.lists(a)gmail.com wrote: From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists(a)gmail.com> isn't this what KC presented like 3 nanogs ago? ----------------------------------------------- Thanks and I will look that up. scott

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Re: CAIDA selected by FCC for internet performance measurement
by Scott Weeks 12 Aug '16

12 Aug '16

--- sean(a)donelan.com wrote: From: Sean Donelan <sean(a)donelan.com> CAIDA has submitted to the FCC its initial proposal for measuring internet interconnection point performance metrics as part of the AT&T/DirecTV merger conditions. http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2016/db0812/DA-16-9… ------------------------------------------------- I don't seem to be able to get the pdf referred to in the above link to open correctly. https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/108042516812991/MB%20Dkt%2014-90%20AT&T%20Inc.… Anyone else get it to open? I want to find out about the methodology. scott

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