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RE: More CNN reports...
by Jeb R. Linton 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

I can confirm the other report... A friend of the family made it out of the second building by leaving after the impact on the first. After the initial impact he started walking down from about 80; the building PA system came on and told them that a plane had struck the other building and that they were safe to return to their offices. For most of his way down he was fighting the tide of people walking back up. :( - Jeb -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of David Charlap Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:06 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: More CNN reports... Roeland Meyer wrote: > > I'm impressed. From all of the reports, the appearance is that > they've managed to empty most of the building in less than 10 > minutes. According to: http://www.foxnews.com/images/36149/1_22_wtc_layout.jpg There was 18 minutes between the first crash and the second. People in the second tower who began evacuation as soon as they saw the first crash had enough time to get out (or at least below the level of the fire from the second crash), if they moved quickly. Each tower remained standing for more than an hour after their respective crash (tower 1 remained for 1:45, tower 2 remained for 1:02). More than enough time for people below the fires to evacuate. Of course, those at or above the level of the fire in building one had little chance of escape, and people in wheelchairs may have been trapped, but it is entirely believable if most of everybody else was able to clear out in time. But we won't know for certain for quite some time. -- David

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HOAX: Re: Military asking to ISPs to shut down equipment?
by Sean Donelan 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

I haven't heard from the NCS, but this is certainly a hoax. For your information, the procedures telephone carriers follow are documented on the web site http://tsp.ncs.gov/ This is not how such a request would be made. In addition, ISPs are *NOT* currently part of the civil defense, or any of the other federal emergency plans. For the most part, the federal plans are silent about the Internet. So the military doesn't really have a way of making this request to ISPs even if it wanted to do it. Once again, ISPs should attempt to do things out of the ordinary. Jokers have impersonated law enforcement in the past, trying to get information out of ISPs. On Thu, 13 September 2001, "Seth M. Kusiak" wrote: > Has anyone received a request like the one that was I forwarded below? > [Stuff Deleted] > We just received a call from our ISP that they were contacted by Quest > Communications who is a major National ISP who in tern was contacted by the > Military and were asked to shut down a lot of their equipment connecting > clients to the Internet so that there would be more bandwidth. Other ISP > supposedly received the same call. > Get ready for a big outage.... > [More Stuff Deleted]

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Seeking NPA-NXX info for 140 West
by Larry Snyder 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Is there a resource listing the NPA-NXX's served out of that location? thanx, -ls-

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hoaxes, off-topic posts, and common sense
by RJ Atkinson 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Hi, It would be very helpful if folks would try to apply common sense to what they hear or see in the media or in anonymous phone calls. It is clear that a number of hoaxes are being perpetrated (or attempted) around the US these days. It would also be helpful if folks would try to keep some operational content in each posting. I know that NANOG traditionally never has any operational content, but -- despite that -- the charter for the list does say it is for operational matters. There are lots of other lists for the other topics to be discussed. Perhaps someone can create a nanog-offtopic@somewhere list that these can be moved to if no other place can be found (if so, please drop ME from the -offtopic version of the list :-). If one MUST post off-topic non-operational stuff so that one won't die, it would help if one put a token (perhaps "[offtopic]" into the Subject: line so that folks can filter appropriately. Now, for my own operational content, I'll note that the US DoD has several separate very large private global IP networks. They also have several other networks built on other technologies, including a private telephone system, ATM desk-to-desk networks, and significant RF/SATCOM communications systems. Some of these are secure networks with cryptography. Others are insecure. The US DoD is NOT normally using the commercial IP networks for its internal or critical traffic (though obviously there are mail bridges so that DoD folks can exchange email with the rest of the Internet and they do browse the web (often via a proxy server or through a firewall) just like other folks at any other business/organisation). So unauthenticated claims via phone/fax/email (all of which are easily forged, absent PGP or other authentication) that one needs to disconnect one's customers "to conserve bandwidth" obviously fail the common-sense test. Thanks, Ran

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Executive Order: power restoration
by Sean Donelan 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

According to CNBC, President Bush has signed an executive order ordering the restoration of power to Wall Street. I can't find it on the Whitehouse.gov website yet. FEMA's website indicates that Con Edision requested additional portable generators. FEMA is shipping them to Manhattan. Any recent word on the power status to the major telecommunication hubs?

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Re: Military asking to ISPs to shut down equipment?
by Erik-Jan Bos 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Randy, > > We just received a call from our ISP that they were contacted by Quest > > Communications who is a major National ISP who in tern was contacted by the > > Military and were asked to shut down a lot of their equipment connecting > > clients to the Internet so that there would be more bandwidth. Other ISP > > supposedly received the same call. > > i received a call telling me to send all my money to nigeria. That's a coincidence: I received the same call. __ Erik-Jan.

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RE: Military asking to ISPs to shut down equipment?
by Borchers, Mark 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Was this in the NYC or DC region, or elsewhere? It's not as if there's a nationwide bandwidth shortage.... > > Has anyone received a request like the one that was I forwarded below? > > > [Stuff Deleted] > > We just received a call from our ISP that they were contacted > by Quest > Communications who is a major National ISP who in tern was > contacted by the > Military and were asked to shut down a lot of their equipment > connecting > clients to the Internet so that there would be more > bandwidth. Other ISP > supposedly received the same call. > > Get ready for a big outage.... > > [More Stuff Deleted] >

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Re: Don't blame Intelligence or Security Agencies.....
by clarke 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Sorry about that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Harris <srh(a)merit.edu> To: clarke <nclarke(a)mindspring.com> Cc: <nanog-support(a)merit.edu> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Don't blame Intelligence or Security Agencies..... > The use of foul language is prohibited on the NANOG mailing list. Please > see our AUP: > > http://www.nanog.org/aup.html > > We thank you for your cooperation in helping to maintain the content and > quality of the NANOG mailing list. > > Susan Harris, Ph.D. > Merit Network/Univ. of Mich. > > > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, clarke wrote: > > > > > Yes, security in airports is a serious problem. However this can happen at > > any level. The problem is the terrorist and their "kamikaze" mentality. > > If a terrorist creates a makeshift bomb, attaches it to their bodies and > > decides to walk into the nearest mall, what stops this individual from > > killing hundreds? > > > > Airport security is an issue, but it is not the answer to terrorism, by ANY > > means. What if these terrorist decided to take four vehicles filled with > > explosives to the Holland Tunnel, Midtown Tunnel, GW Bridge and the > > Williamsburg bridge? What would we do then? Blame bridge and tunnel > > security? Once again, the problem is the terrorist. > > > > The intelligence agencies in the United States are the best in the world. > > > > Get your shit straight! > > > > ~ Clarke ~ > > > > >

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WSTA has put up Tech Assistance coordination site
by Strata Rose Chalup 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Via sage-members list: Wall Street Technology Association site http://www.wsta.org/forum/list.php?f=4 I've been keeping a wiki since PST morning Tuesday. It's on a PacBell home DSL line, but has been coping with reasonable load. http://kgate.virtual.net/cgi-bin/wiki.cgi?action=Browse&id=SeptemberDisaster I can mirror Sean's announcements there, or create a page for status updates to the major buildings-- or you can, it's an open wiki. SRC -- ======================================================================== Strata Rose Chalup [KF6NBZ] strata "@" virtual.net VirtualNet Consulting http://www.virtual.net/ ** Project Management & Architecture for ISP/ASP Systems Integration ** =========================================================================

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RE: Lack of Security
by Mathias K�rber 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

| What if we were to increase the security of the pilots (basically the | cabin door) and then place some type of secure "sleeping gas" in the | cabin that could be triggered by the pilots? Now, I know this sounds | like something out of a James Bond movie, but in our short discussion, | we could not think of a downside. Comments? 1. Medical problems some passengers may have with the gas? While it might be a reasonable tradeoff to lose a passenger or two if the whole plane (and whatever it may hit) can be saved, making that determination that early (at the first sign of an hijack attempt) would likely be impossible. 2. Gas masks

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