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RE: Yes it's off topic but who cares right now.
by Los, Ralph 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

Ladies and gentlemen, I've been lurking around reading all these 'love the planet' emails, and I have to agree...killing is surely not the answer - but if you gave me an unlimited supply of rockets, and a lot of killing power, I'd point it at Afganistan and say....'Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out later".......just my two cents...I had a friend who left his wife a message seconds before he died up there in south tower..."Honey, I'm on the 92nd floor and am not going to make it back to your arms alive - remember I will always love you" -then the line went dead....those words ring through my head over and over and over - I could have been there, so could you. True, there is no taking back what happened, but if GW issued an act of war, and did some re-arranging of the middle-east and the like, and places like Afganistan, Iraq, and the Palestinian militant states DISAPPEARED forever - no one, especially this blue-blooded American would shed a tear...and I as one...would see all the psycho-terrorists to hell. Otherwise known as, Dr. Blackfelt -----Original Message----- From: Dmitri Krioukov [mailto:dima@krioukov.net] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:10 PM To: Arman Khalili Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: Yes it's off topic but who cares right now. > expose him and all of his followers where they could be captured and brought > to justice (chaining to a building and firing a rocket comes to mind). no question one could come with more sophisticated forms of "justice" similar to those practiced by the potential subjects of this "justice", but please: "resist the cycle of violence and hate." -- dima.

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RE: Yes it's off topic but who cares right now.
by Roeland Meyer 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

|> From: Vadim Antonov [mailto:avg@exigengroup.com] |> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:11 PM |> |> The problem isn't terrorists - people with lunatic worldview |> will always |> exist, and there's no way to prevent that. The problem is |> governments |> which refuse to cooperate in eradicating them because they |> futher their |> goals while leaving their hands "clean". And may I to |> remind the truism |> that any government can govern only because it has support of a |> significant part of (maybe, brainwashed) population? |> |> As for civil liberties - reality check time. |> Those are people who _believe_ that Western civilization is |> evil and has |> to be destroyed by any means, including suicide. Those |> aren't isolated |> "crazies". Their mothers and neighbours are proud of what |> they did, and this is scary. Does anyone remember all those hijacking of the mid'70's? Does anyone realize why they stopped? Terrorist groups are like weeds. They grow over time. One has to regulary whack the weeds. We no longer have the weed whackers.

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Re: Re: AT&T Switch operational in basement of WTC
by Frank Coluccio 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

I have doubts that they were referring to a 5E. Optical muxes, and passive optical feeds just passing through, maybe. The node in this case is the old Teleport Communications Group main node that became ATT/Local Network Services when they were acquired. I posted about this here in NANOG two days ago. It is six levels down and amply fitted with backup battery plant to sustain long outages, and was conceivably insulated enough to resist the turmoil above for six hours of continued service. Some elements in this node also stayed up and running for a moderately extended period during the last WTC failure, eight years ago, during the bombing incident of 1993. -FAC > > At 08:21 PM 9/14/2001, Randy Neals wrote: > >AT&T's switch in the basement apparently operated after the collapse until > >4PM. > >They expect to recover the switch hardware.... > > Gotta love the 5E... > > >So if you can build a switch room that doesn't collapse when 2 x 110 story > >buildings fall on it, why not get those engineers to design the building so > >it doesn't collapse in the first place? > > Oh, please... > > An hour or so of 1200-1500+ degrees? > >

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More power issues affect more carriers
by Sean Donelan 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

Power is a continuing issue in lower Manhattan. Several locations are still on generator. ConEdision is working with some folks on fuel deliveries and even loaning generators. According to "The Net Economy" news letter, additional carriers are being stressed by the long-term nature of the outage. We are well beyond the "normal" emergency design conditions even NEBS facilities were designed to handle. > Sprint Communications reported outages in New York and Connecticut > as the result of power fluctuations to a south Manhattan switching > facility that supports Sprint's networks. The fluctuations began > about 2:30 a.m., and affected voice and data customers. The carrier > is working to resolve the problem.

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Verizon CO Status Update
by Robert Boyle 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

This is the latest from VADI regarding the status of their COs. http://www.tellurian.net/Verizon2001.123DSL.pdf Tellurian Networks - The Ultimate Internet Connection http://www.tellurian.com | 888-TELLURIAN | 973-300-9211 "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -George Eliot

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Additional FCC Outage reports from New York City
by Sean Donelan 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

Additional FCC outage reports filed recently. Although the normal FCC reporting regulation is 30,000 subscribers for 30 minutes, when circuits are damaged by fire the threshold is 1,000 lines. And when 9-1-1 service is affected, there is no lower threshold. XO (faxed on Sep 13 2001 3:29PM) http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Filings/Network_Outage/20… FOCAL Communications (faxed Sep 11 1001 17:00) http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Filings/Network_Outage/20… PaeTec Communications (faxed Sep 13 2001 4:34) http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Filings/Network_Outage/20… Allegiance Telecom (faxed Sep 14 2001 10:25am) http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Filings/Network_Outage/20…

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FIBER CUT: south of Washington DC
by Sean Donelan 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

There is a cable cut on average every 2.5 days. They didn't stop. According to MFN there is a cable cut south of Washington DC.

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ticketing summary & OT plea - Crypto
by Timothy Brown 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

Hi folks, Didn't receive that many responses on ticketing systems. Most people really disliked GNATS, few had used Jitterbug, and many had good experience with Request Tracker. I got the impression from the lack of response that most people's systems were custom-written. Request Tracker appears to have by far the most potential, from a going-forward perspective. Some people did say Remedy, and i'll be calling them today and adding an addendum to the summary for those users who care. I have an offtopic plea completely unrelated to the above item, though. Wired is reporting @ http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46816,00.html that Judd Gregg, a Republican Senator from NH, called yesterday for a global prohibition on encryption products without backdoors for government surveillance. I'd like to urge the netops community, whom I have no other method to communicate to, to send some correspondence to your congresscritters on the issue. I'd like that correspondence to say that the idea of having backdoors in crypto is bad, but I know that some of you might disagree. As a side note, can anyone who has submitted correspondence to congress folks drop me a private line? I had a couple of questions. Thanks, Tim

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Re: slowing down every 60 seconds due to BGP scaner
by rs＠seastrom.com 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

Marshall Eubanks <tme(a)21rst-century.com> writes: > "Robert E. Seastrom" wrote: > > > "David McGaugh" <david_mcgaugh(a)eli.net> writes: > > > > > We've brought this concern up to Cisco before and they assured us that > > > everything is performing normally. You will see this when performing > > > router to router pings as well however, we have been told that packet > > > forwarding does not suffer. ICMP replies from the router (not through > > > the router) are given a very low CPU priority. > > > > Seconded. Ping response times or lack of ping response from routers > > signifies *nothing*. Ditto for traceroutes, &c. Ping *through* the > > router, not *to* the router. > > We do streaming, and this causes a freeze up both in and out bound. > In bound there seem to be losses. Outbound all is buffered and nothing is > lost. pinging the router causes a freeze-up? or the router is freezing up on bgp updates every n seconds? platform/release ? ---rob

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Re: slowing down every 60 seconds due to BGP scaner
by rs＠seastrom.com 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

"David McGaugh" <david_mcgaugh(a)eli.net> writes: > We've brought this concern up to Cisco before and they assured us that > everything is performing normally. You will see this when performing > router to router pings as well however, we have been told that packet > forwarding does not suffer. ICMP replies from the router (not through > the router) are given a very low CPU priority. Seconded. Ping response times or lack of ping response from routers signifies *nothing*. Ditto for traceroutes, &c. Ping *through* the router, not *to* the router. ---Rob

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