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RE: FW: Photos of Palestinians celebrating World Trade Center att ack
by Youse, Chuck 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Yes, but if you're flipping somebody off with the "V" gesture, the back of your hand faces that somebody, not the palm (as it does in "peace") Not a British colleague, just yet-another-American living in the UK Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Mike Kuebler [mailto:mkuebler@diamonex.com] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:28 PM Cc: 'nanog(a)merit.edu' Subject: Re: FW: Photos of Palestinians celebrating World Trade Center attack Actually the two finger "peace" sign is not at all universal. I'm sure our British colleagues will note that a similar two finger gesture is equivalent to our American F.U. gesture. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Kuebler, Network Administrator | Plus ca change, mkuebler(a)diamonex.com | plus c'est la meme chose -------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Yes it's off topic but who cares right now.
by Roeland Meyer 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

|> From: David Klindt [mailto:dklindt@cobra.ordata.com] |> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:29 AM |> > resist the cycle of violence and hate. |> |> I agree. But this action doesn't need to be attached the |> words violence |> and hate. It is better attributed to, enough is enough, and |> knock the |> bully out. Truly, that simple. Except that, this isn't a case of a school-yard bully. It is the case of a known serial killer that will not stop. They need to be stopped before more folks die.

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Re: On Internet and social responsibility
by Rubens Kuhl Jr. 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

>Guys, why should a North American provider give a place for this >propaganda? Call FBI, have them trace the connections of whoever pays for >that site. Why should a terrorist use a North American provider that would hand all its logs and intercept mail given a warrant or now may be even by a simple "help us hunt them down" ? Why telling FBI what ISPs to put Carnivores first ? Rubens Kuhl Jr.

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Re: On Internet and social responsibility
by Vadim Antonov 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Joe -- I'm not calling in question their right to publish; what i'm saying that this crap was going on for years, and nobody cared. BTW, if you look at the First Ammendment protections closer, they are not guaranteeing absolute right of free speech. Learn the American law before you invoke it to defend your point of view. I'm tired of absolutists who cannot see that there's no such thing as absolute good or absolute evil. Speech can be very dangerous. This is a conflict of ideologies, not nations or religions. What do you think is ideology - if not speech? How do you suppress ideology if you let it spread unhampered? Violence is bad? Vote for dissolution of police, if you _really_ mean that. But don't take the "my hands is clean" high moral ground. It is _your_ guilt, too, for being lazy to learn what is going on, and failing to elect a goverment with a clue, not the bumbling idiot with a Texan accent and vocabulary of a fifteen-years-old. That site was spreading lies for a long time and is well-known in Russia as an example of American hypocrisy. I was reminded of it when i looked at today's very sarcastic piece by one poplular TV commentator (Mike Solovyev, the anchor of "Odnako" ("But..") prime-time daily show watched by a hundred million people). [Transcript follows] ...Besides, Shamil Basaev is not only a cannibal, but also a very keen politologist making in his cave precise analysis of political situation. <video of Shamil Basaev leaving in a bus with hostages> The web-site Kavkaz.org published a special message from Shamil Basaev regarding the air attacks on Washington and New-York. Mr. Basaev says that "Russia is behind this terrorist attack. The goal of this attack is to undermine might of USA, discredit the idea of the national anti-missile defense initiative, and cause USA to lose its status of super-power." Chechen politologists are wishing to provoke clash of America and Russia: just for a second imagine that everyone believed this Chechen propaganda about "hand of Moscow" - what should be the answer from the other side of the ocean? You know. [allusion to the nuclear war, for those unfamiliar with Soviet idiomas -- avg]. After what happened, the Western authorities should've knocked that site down, it is physically located in the America, and change their view of Chechen propaganda in general. Because otherwise it seems that bin Laden is a cannibal, with any means good to get him down, but his Chechen comrades-in-arms still need delicacy and respect. This is the message we get by watching this site staying up after September 11th. ... This Wednesday I expressed concern that after the initial shock they'll talk, talk, and forget the whole thing - you know, deeds are forgettable, body's fattening. But now it looks like everything is funnier. To forget something you need to learn something first. Judging by dithering of various officials they didn't learn anything, so they have nothing to forget. [end of transcript] Here's how America looks from outside. A bunch of incompetents and hypocrites. And i am tired of telling my Russian correspondents to stuff their "they asked for it" postures you know where. Because i know that Americans are not really hypocritic, just terribly ignorant. --vadim On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 baptista(a)pccf.net wrote: > > Vadim - I think in american we call it free speech. The content of the > message is not the issue - it is the right to publish it and one's > opinion which is the issue here guranteed by the U.S. constitution. > > regards > joe > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Vadim Antonov wrote: > > > > > > > Found on a website hosted in US by a US service provider: > > > > > Manpower resources of > > > Muslims and powerful ideological stimulus of resistance, the > > > control above the basic power resources of the world, the > > > geographical position and an area of movement, finally will > > > destroy USA. War will come in the house of each American. > > ******************************************************** > > > > > And it already will be the collapse of that America, which we > > > know and which is realized by Americans. The first disturbing > > > symptoms of arising enmity and split of America already is > > > available. > > > > This is from the inverview with the spokesman of well-known terrorist > > Shamil Basaev, known for personally taking hostage hundreds of patients in > > a hospital, among other things (the spokesman is Movladi Udugov, the guy > > who threatened to drop an airplane on Kremlin). > > > > http://www.kavkaz.org/english/news/2001/09/14/news4.htm > > > > Hosted by XO Communications - do not bother them, i already alerted their > > staff. > > > > Guys, why should a North American provider give a place for this > > propaganda? Call FBI, have them trace the connections of whoever pays for > > that site. > > > > [If you decide to read the entire article - the "so-called peacemaker" > > Boris Nemtsov mentioned there is a prominent pro-Western politican in > > Russia, and (used to be, changed his mind after WTC attack) a leading > > proponent of negotiations with Chechen militants. A shining illustration > > of what you get for trying to negotiate with terrorists.] > > > > Please, if you host websites, take a closer look at what you are hosting; > > you may help to find leads for the investigation. > > > > --vadim > > > > -- > The dot.GOD Registry, Limited > > http://www.dot-god.com/ >

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The Cidr Report
by CIDR Report 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

This is an auto-generated mail on Fri Sep 14 23:00:00 PDT 2001 It is not checked before it leaves my workstation. However, hopefully you will find this report interesting and will take the time to look through this to see if you can improve the amount of aggregation you perform. Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report.html for a daily update of this report. NEW: Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report-region.html for the regional version of this report. NEW: Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/autnums.html for a complete list of autonomous system number to name mappings as used by the CIDR-Report. The report is split into sections: 0) General Status List the route table history for the last week, list any possibly bogus routes seen and give some status on ASes. 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level This lists the "Top 30" players who if they decided to aggregate their announced classful prefixes at the origin AS level could make a significant difference in the reduction of the current size of the Internet routing table. This calculation does not take into account the inclusion of holes when forming an aggregate so it is possible even larger reduction should be possible. 2) Weekly Delta A summary of the last weeks changes in terms of withdrawn and added routes. Please note that this is only a snapshot but does give some indication of ASes participating in CIDR. Clearly, it is generally a good thing to see a large amont of withdrawls. 3) Interesting aggregates Interesting here means not an aggregate made as a set of classful routes. Thanks to GX Networks for giving me access to their routing tables once a day. Please send any comments about this report directly to CIDR Report <cidr-report(a)cisco.com>. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CIDR REPORT for 14Sep01 0) General Status Table History ------------- Date Prefixes 070901 103166 080901 102958 090901 102972 100901 103070 110901 103168 120901 102677 130901 102777 140901 102582 Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr.plot.html for a plot of the table history. Possible Bogus Routes --------------------- *** Bogus 82.105.0.0/16 from AS3269 *** Bogus 82.105.128.0/17 from AS3269 AS Summary ---------- Number of ASes in routing system: 11538 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix: 6879 (3912 cidr, 2967 classful) Largest number of cidr routes: 837 announced by AS701 Largest number of classful routes: 1362 announced by AS701 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level --- 14Sep01 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsCIDR NetGain % Gain Description AS1221 1279 969 310 24.2% Telstra Pty Ltd AS701 1362 1162 200 14.7% UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS4151 286 163 123 43.0% USDA AS577 313 192 121 38.7% Bell Advanced Communications Inc. AS6595 171 60 111 64.9% DoD Education Activity Network As AS4293 379 270 109 28.8% Cable & Wireless USA AS13999 113 11 102 90.3% Mega Cable S.A. de C.V. AS705 247 148 99 40.1% UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS16473 171 74 97 56.7% Bell South AS6429 195 100 95 48.7% AT&T Chile Internet S.A. AS7018 755 661 94 12.5% AT&T AS4755 215 129 86 40.0% Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonom AS12302 97 27 70 72.2% MobiFon S.A. AS4200 142 74 68 47.9% Apex Global Information Services, AS724 221 156 65 29.4% DLA Systems Automation Center AS6471 127 62 65 51.2% ENTEL CHILE S.A. AS1239 469 404 65 13.9% Sprint AS7046 316 254 62 19.6% UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS209 310 252 58 18.7% Qwest AS19632 67 9 58 86.6% Metropolis Intercom S.A. AS16758 63 6 57 90.5% IKON Office Solutions AS3464 149 94 55 36.9% Alabama SuperComputer Network AS703 309 255 54 17.5% UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS17557 121 68 53 43.8% Pakistan Telecom AS226 145 93 52 35.9% Los Nettos AS17561 113 62 51 45.1% Internet service provision to Wes AS1 539 488 51 9.5% BBN Planet AS4323 249 199 50 20.1% Time Warner Communications, Inc. AS855 144 96 48 33.3% Canadian Research Network AS852 206 160 46 22.3% Telus Advanced Communications For the rest of the previous weeks gain information please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html 2) Weekly Delta Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report 3) Interesting aggregates Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report

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Horrible world trade center crash, (Nostradamus)
by Kleber Carriello de Oliveira 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Sirs, look this: "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb" , "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus, 1654 http://www.ed.brocku.ca/~nmarshal/nostradamus.htm

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25 Broadway Update/TELEHOUSE America
by Akio Sugeno 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Dear all, TELEHOUSE 25 Broadway is back up as of September 14 23:10 in New York time running on the Con Ed provided generator refeeding the site from the street. Repair analysis of the failed generator are on going (once repaired it acts as backup to the Con Ed generator). We thank all of our customers for cooperation and support. --akio ----------------------------------- Akio Sugeno Chairman of NYIIX/LAIIX/6IIX Voice: 718-355-2509, Fax: 718-355-2517

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RE: Rebuild the WTC?
by Chris Grout 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

I apologize that you feel my intent here was to insult anyone, and offer my sincere apologies to you, and anyone else that took it that way. The intent here was to share a small, light-hearted symbol of defiance I had come across during these grim times. Fortunately, most seem to see it as just that and nothing more. Chris At 11:13 PM 9/14/2001 -0400, David Eitel wrote: >Do NOT feel free to share your insults with this list. I'm a New Yorker and >find you very disrespectful.

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Re: Lack of Security
by Kevin Day 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

> > > At 09:42 PM 9/12/2001, Robert Hough wrote: > >The security we display in most aspects of our society echo the same > >security we display in most of our networks as well. > > > >Now ask yourself, why was it so easy to hijack these planes? Because we > >have sacrificed security for convenience - and our enemy used that > >against us. Well, something to chew on. G'Night. > > Can someone explain to me how only allowing ticketed passengers past > security checkpoints is going to accomplish anything toward increased > security? The only thing I can even dream of is that it will reduce the > number of people passing the checkpoints. I have a feeling this one isn't going to stick. Most airports weren't designed for this. I pick people up from O'Hare at least a few times a month. Other than the baggage claim (which is nearly packed during busy times) where can you meet someone? I'd venture to say at least 25% of the people hanging out in the gate areas are there to pick people up. Where are these people going to go? If I remember correctly each of the baggage claim levels at O'hare has one set of bathrooms, and at most one place to buy a drink at. There's almost nowhere to sit. The monitors aren't showing info about flights except those that have landed. People who normally wouldn't have to go to the baggage claim at all (no bags checked) are going to have to go there to meet people, adding to the crowding even more. There's just nowhere else to do this. Adding to the fact that after this alot of people are *really* nervous about flying, and having a friendly face there at the gate for them is important. In addition, this requires you to coordinate *where* you're going to meet someone, rather than just being able to be at the gate they're arriving at. I realize the significance of making changes in the wake of this, however this one is (in my opinion) really unacceptable. I sent a letter off to the director of the FAA today expressing similar thoughts. If you feel the same way, you may wish to as well. I know I'm probably not very popular right now, to be complaining about "added security", but the very weak additional security this may provide is already outweighed by much much bigger weaknesses elsewhere. If the problem is wanting more time spent at the checkpoints, I've *never* seen all the checkpoints open at a time, on any of the terminals. Opening more up couldn't hurt. I know this is really getting non-operational, but keep this in mind if any of you are getting called to meet&greet people at the airport over the next few weeks. I spent a good amount of time today dealing with this very problem with some travellers coming here over the coming weeks. -- Kevin

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AT&T Switch operational in basement of WTC
by Randy Neals 15 Sep '01

15 Sep '01

Seems almost too good to be true... Does anyone know any more about this? AT&T's switch in the basement apparently operated after the collapse until 4PM. They expect to recover the switch hardware.... Hmmmm... So if you can build a switch room that doesn't collapse when 2 x 110 story buildings fall on it, why not get those engineers to design the building so it doesn't collapse in the first place? -R ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom AT&T equipment survived trade center collapse =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= PHILADELPHIA, Sept 12 (Reuters) - AT&T Corp. (NYSE:T - news), the No. 1 U.S. long-distance telephone and cable television company, said its communications network carried a flood of heavy calling volume on Wednesday, but remained unharmed after its equipment survived the collapse of the World Trade Center. Calling volume on "the network is running about about 20 percent above a typical Wednesday morning," AT&T spokesman Dave Johnson said. "There's heavy inbound surge to the New York and Washington areas and some network congestion, but nothing like yesterday." AT&T handles about 300 million voice telephone calls a day. It carried 431 million calls on Tuesday as customers flooded the telephone lines in the wake of the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, making it the heaviest business day in the company's network history, Johnson said. AT&T's local network switching equipment, which routes telephone calls, was located in the basement of the World Trade Center towers and survived the implosion of the buildings, Johnson said. "It appears the equipment has survived ... It was up and alive and still providing dial tone by 4 o'clock yesterday afternoon. Once the back-up batteries ran out, we took them offline, but the equipment is still working," Johnson said. "We were amazed," he said. "It was several stories under ground and all I can say is that they must have built up that basement very sturdy.'' The switching equipment handled calls for AT&T business customers in Lower Manhattan. The company rerouted calls and suffered no network outages, Johnson said. AT&T will retrieve the equipment once it gets approval from New York City and disaster teams to approach the rubble of the World Trade Center. The New York-based company said none of its employees were injured or killed in the attacks.

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