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RE: Extreme BlackDiamond
by sthaug＠nethelp.no 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

> > On the other hand, 6500s can do both L2 and L3 rather well, including > > BGP. > > Aren't most of the 6500 blades the same as the 7600 ones anyway? Between > these two IMHO we are looking at a blurry distinction between a router > with very good switching capabilities and a L3 switch with very good > routing capabilities. Until the Sup720, it was simple: 6500 with Sup2/MSFC2/PFC2 and at least one OSM equals 7600. The difference is mostly a marketing one. I don't understand how you can differentiate between a router and an L3 switch. In my view "L3 switch" is a marketing term. All high end boxes do hardware based IP forwarding, whether their ancestry is from the L2 or the L3 side. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug(a)nethelp.no

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Re: Extreme BlackDiamond
by Robert Boyle 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

At 04:43 PM 10/13/2003, alex(a)pilosoft.com wrote: > > 7600 is also vertical boards whereas the 6500 is horizontal. > >Yep, I think from now on, we should make this a primary distinction >between switch and a router: If a device has vertical line cards, it is a >router, if horizontal, it is a switch. > >Works well for 7500/12000/5x00/6500. ;) A small problem... all of my 7200s have horizontal line cards as do the Juniper M5/7/10/20. The smaller 7100, 3700, 3600, 2600 also have horizontal line cards too. So... here is a correction. "From now on, we should make this a primary distinction between switch and a router: If a device has vertical line cards, it is a router, if horizontal, it is a switch, unless there are two or more vertical slots within any horizontal slot plane, then it is, in fact, a router." How does that sound? -Robert Tellurian Networks - The Ultimate Internet Connection http://www.tellurian.com | 888-TELLURIAN | 973-300-9211 "Good will, like a good name, is got by many actions, and lost by one." - Francis Jeffrey

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Reserved ASN 64702, 6to4, 2 ghosts, other oddities and still no working contacts...
by Jeroen Massar 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Checking http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?show=bogons&find=::/0 People might want to filter on private ASN's also when that ASN is being used as "transit"... 2001:a40::/32 AS64702 is reserved (path: 15516 3257 2497 4697 2914 10109 4538 4787 64702 20646 8763 5539 1930 9186) Ghost Route (14/12) 3ffe:3500::/24 3ffe:4005:fefe:: 25396 1752 10109 4538 4787 64702 20646 8319 We still have these 6to4 specifics btw: 2002:c2b1:d06e::/48 More specific 6to4 prefix (194.177.208.110/32) from AS5408 2002:c8a2::/33 More specific 6to4 prefix (200.162.0.0/17) from AS15180 2002:c8c6:4000::/34 More specific 6to4 prefix (200.198.64.0/18) from AS15180 2002:c8ca:7000::/36 More specific 6to4 prefix (200.202.112.0/20) from AS15180 And nopes, no contact has been made yet, apparently having your email address listed in the registry frees you of any obligations... Another funny one: 3ffe:3::/32 Subnet of 3ffe::/24 Mismatching origin ASN, should be 4555 (now: 29216) While there also is an announcement for: 2001:7fe::/32 I-rootserver-net-20030916 The ghosts of this month: 3ffe:1f00::/24 3ffe:2400::/24 Both with "10318 5623" common in their paths, obvious isn't it ? Oh and yes, still no contact from anybody at nortel, apparently that company doesn't know what IPv6 is. AS10318 (check above also) is still announcing *their* block and still haven't made any comment or reply back whatsoever. AS10318 have their own pTLA but apparently are not contactable for that pTLA either. If anybody knows someone alive for 3ffe:1300::/24 or AS762 or AS10318 please notify them. Maybe posting to nanog raises some people from sleep. Mailing the whois contacts directly doesn't help apparently. Greets, Jeroen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Unfix PGP for Outlook Alpha 13 Int. Comment: Jeroen Massar / jeroen(a)unfix.org / http://unfix.org/~jeroen/ iQA/AwUBP4dLximqKFIzPnwjEQKluACglQJ+2QtJZ6O2fJZShwxLe0Z6Fz8AnRym p0Clq/HyC9EoC/RsaYudqZey =XBo4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: i'd like to know your opinions on the com/net wildcard issue
by Stewart, William C (Bill), RTSLS 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

I don't know if Paul's system lets you log in twice, so I can't check the survey questions, but they asked approximately whether you were - a registrar - an ISP (or something like that) - a WEB end-user. The problem is that most Internet users aren't WEB end-users, they're Internet end-users, including email, web, IM, time, and maybe other protocols, and one of the big problems with Verisign's web-grabbing wildcard games is that they're only helpful for web users, but harmful or at best mostly harmless for users of other protocols, particularly email. Microsoft IE browser has a Sitefinder-like feature which really only affects the web, so it's theoretically capable of being helpful to web users without being harmful to other internet users, though in practice I never found it all that helpful either. Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com

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RE: i'd like to know your opinions on the com/net wildcard issue
by Pete Templin 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

That suggests that it's an ASL (Analog Subscriber Line)... Pete Templin Senior Staff Engineer TexLink Communications (210) 892-4183 pete.templin(a)texlink.com -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Dunn [mailto:bradley@dunn.org] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 4:05 PM To: Christopher X. Candreva; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: i'd like to know your opinions on the com/net wildcard issue Christopher X. Candreva wrote: > I've seen this in the press repeatedly and it drives me almost as nuts as > having to call DSL access hardware a modem. What's wrong with calling it a modem? It MOdulates and DEModulates between a digital bitstream and an analog signal. Bradley

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RE: Extreme BlackDiamond
by Michel Py 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

>> swmike(a)swm.pp.se wrote: >> Yes, GSRs are better at routing but they lack L2 capability and it's a >> very expensive (and lousy unless you have Engine3 cards) GE plattform. > Steinar Haug > On the other hand, 6500s can do both L2 and L3 rather well, including > BGP. Aren't most of the 6500 blades the same as the 7600 ones anyway? Between these two IMHO we are looking at a blurry distinction between a router with very good switching capabilities and a L3 switch with very good routing capabilities. Michel.

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RE: Extreme BlackDiamond
by Shazad - eServers 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

You know what, go and fuck yourself you little whore.. Please don't hesitate to contact us if you have any more questions. Best Regards, Shazad eServers - driving the "e" into your business. -----Original Message----- From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy@psg.com] Sent: 13 October 2003 16:12 To: Shazad - eServers Subject: RE: Extreme BlackDiamond > From: "Shazad - eServers" <shazad(a)eservers.biz> > To: "'Randy Bush'" <randy(a)psg.com> > Cc: <nanog(a)merit.edu> > ... > Thank you very much for your feedback, I really appreciate all the comments > I am receiving. > Please don't hesitate to contact us if you have any more questions. thanks for publishing my private message, you dumb fuck randy

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RE: Extreme BlackDiamond
by Michael.Dillon＠radianz.com 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

>You know what, go and fuck yourself you little whore.. >Please don't hesitate to contact us if you have any more questions. >Best Regards, >Shazad >eServers - driving the "e" into your business. This is the second time recently that a member of this list has dragged their own personal disputes onto the list. I don't particularly like this and I would be happy to see the list owner come down hard on the perp. Banishment? This seems to be a lot worse than the usual annoying off-topic threads.

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RE: Extreme BlackDiamond
by Michel Py 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

> Shazad wrote: > I did it accidentally BUT quoted him, he literally bounced my > message as If I had sent it to NANOG. Check your headers and > you will find out, I never sent that message to NANOG. Indeed. Although you did screw up by quoting his first private message, it does appear to me like it was an honest mistake given the contents. Thereafter, everyone can see the way Randy Bush operates: no balls to stand behind his comments, the first to use bad words and then the deception on the mailing list. Welcome to the club. Michel.

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Re: Extreme BlackDiamond
by sthaug＠nethelp.no 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

> Yes, GSRs are better at routing but they lack L2 capability and it's a > very expensive (and lousy unless you have Engine3 cards) GE plattform. On the other hand, 6500s can do both L2 and L3 rather well, including BGP. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug(a)nethelp.no

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