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hinet.net contact
by John Obi 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

Hello folks, I can tell you that hinet.net hosts being exploited by script kiddies and no one in hinet.net cares. And I really failed to get a contact of their abuse department, or any live person bothers to reply. All the complaints and report got no where. I need to report security issues about going DDoS attacks all the time by script kiddies from State of Kuwait using hinet.net as primary windows IRC servers to control the DDoS bots. If you know someone over there please help to get these issues resolved. Thanks, -J __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

This report has been generated at Fri Nov 7 21:48:36 2003 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 31-10-03 128001 89931 01-11-03 128011 90037 02-11-03 128159 90004 03-11-03 128034 90022 04-11-03 128117 90097 05-11-03 127574 90037 06-11-03 127440 90135 07-11-03 127597 90275 AS Summary 16094 Number of ASes in routing system 6402 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1418 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS701 : ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 73586944 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS568 : SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 07Nov03 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 127808 90259 37549 29.4% All ASes AS209 1097 532 565 51.5% ASN-QWEST Qwest AS4323 685 201 484 70.7% TW-COMM Time Warner Communications, Inc. AS701 1418 983 435 30.7% ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS7018 1366 949 417 30.5% ATT-INTERNET4 AT&T WorldNet Services AS7843 522 123 399 76.4% ADELPHIA-AS Adelphia Corp. AS6197 667 305 362 54.3% BATI-ATL BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS6198 573 229 344 60.0% BATI-MIA BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS22909 312 19 293 93.9% DNEO-OSP1 Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. AS4355 390 105 285 73.1% ERMS-EARTHLNK EARTHLINK, INC AS22773 301 22 279 92.7% CCINET-2 Cox Communications Inc. Atlanta AS1221 954 682 272 28.5% ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd AS27364 338 72 266 78.7% ACS-INTERNET Armstrong Cable Services AS6347 344 85 259 75.3% DIAMOND SAVVIS Communications Corporation AS1239 929 674 255 27.4% SPRINTLINK Sprint AS17676 278 35 243 87.4% GIGAINFRA Softbank BB Corp. AS4134 361 122 239 66.2% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS25844 243 16 227 93.4% SKADDEN1 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP AS7132 499 300 199 39.9% SBIS-AS SBC Internet Services - Southwest AS9583 268 72 196 73.1% SATYAMNET-AS Satyam Infoway Ltd., AS11305 230 38 192 83.5% INTERLAND-NET1 Interland Incorporated AS2386 396 212 184 46.5% INS-AS AT&T Data Communications Services AS4519 193 12 181 93.8% MAAS Maas Communications AS6140 340 160 180 52.9% IMPSAT-USA ImpSat AS6327 203 27 176 86.7% SHAW Shaw Communications Inc. AS14654 176 2 174 98.9% WAYPORT Wayport AS9498 205 32 173 84.4% BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. AS2048 252 86 166 65.9% LANET-1 State of Louisiana AS705 394 238 156 39.6% ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS15270 202 48 154 76.2% AS-PAETEC-NET PaeTec.net -a division of PaeTecCommunications, Inc. AS9800 207 57 150 72.5% UNICOM CHINA UNICOM Total 14343 6438 7905 55.1% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 10.127.32.0/24 AS25186 TRANSIT-VPN-AS France Telecom Transpac's Transit VPN network 10.129.113.0/24 AS25186 TRANSIT-VPN-AS France Telecom Transpac's Transit VPN network 10.129.131.0/24 AS25186 TRANSIT-VPN-AS France Telecom Transpac's Transit VPN network 24.119.0.0/16 AS11492 CABLEONE CABLE ONE 61.12.32.0/24 AS7545 TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd 61.12.34.0/24 AS7545 TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd 64.30.64.0/19 AS14900 USLEC-CORP-1 USLEC Corp. 64.85.160.0/22 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications, LLC 64.85.184.0/21 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications, LLC 66.41.192.0/18 AS13367 CCCH-AS3 Comcast Cable Communications Holdings, Inc 69.8.128.0/17 AS7260 NORLIGHT Norlight Telecommunications 132.0.0.0/10 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 137.0.0.0/13 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 138.136.0.0/13 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 140.143.2.0/24 AS1221 ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd 140.240.0.0/13 AS1 GNTY-1 Genuity 158.0.0.0/13 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 165.212.0.0/16 AS7424 USANET USA.Net 192.43.230.0/24 AS4738 SAARDNET-AS South Australian Academic Research and Development Network 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 192.83.16.0/20 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.32.0/19 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.64.0/19 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.96.0/22 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.100.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 PSCNI-AS National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.135.50.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 AT&T WorldNet Services 192.136.71.0/24 AS719 AS719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.136.79.0/24 AS719 AS719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.153.136.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.153.144.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.172.0.0/19 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.188.208.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.243.32.0/23 AS2044 PALIN-AS Palin Aquisitions Inc. 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLATLANTIC-COM Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.97.72.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.97.80.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.97.88.0/24 AS89 NUSC-CSTLNET-AS Naval Underwater Systems Center 198.97.192.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.97.240.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.98.8.0/21 AS3701 NERONET Oregon Joint Graduate Schools of Engineering 198.101.4.0/22 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.136.32.0/20 AS19329 MCNET Martin County Board of County Commissioners 198.144.32.0/19 AS3998 CITY-NET CityNet, Inc. 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GROUPTLCOM GT Group Telecom Services Corp. 198.161.165.0/24 AS852 ASN852 Telus Advanced Communications 198.163.155.0/24 AS684 MBNET-AS Manitoba Regional Network 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INTERHOP Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.167.163.0/24 AS15290 ATTCA-15290 AT&T Canada Telecom Services Company 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASKTEL SaskTel 198.232.133.0/24 AS23075 SKOTOS-AS Skotos Tech, Inc 199.10.0.0/16 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.60.0.0/20 AS271 BCNET-AS University of British Columbia 199.79.32.0/20 AS3701 NERONET Oregon Joint Graduate Schools of Engineering 199.84.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 199.114.0.0/18 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.114.0.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.114.128.0/18 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.114.130.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.136.0/24 AS1913 DLA4 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.138.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 ITSDN-U7 DISA/UNRRA 199.114.142.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS1913 DLA4 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA AF DDN PMO 199.114.156.0/24 AS1913 DLA4 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA AF DDN PMO 199.120.32.0/19 AS16582 NEXTLEVELINTERNET NEXTLEVEL INTERNET, INC. 199.121.0.0/16 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.123.0.0/18 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.123.16.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.123.80.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.166.18.0/24 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST-AS IQuest Internet 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 202.0.180.0/24 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 202.3.158.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.159.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.4.252.0/22 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network¡ªChina169 Beijing Province Network 202.4.255.0/24 AS4799 UNSPECIFIED Ji Tong Communications Co., Ltd. 202.44.112.0/20 AS17458 CWNETDG-IO-AP Cable and Wireless 202.70.240.0/20 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 202.74.32.0/19 AS9315 CWN-AS-AP Chomanan WorldNet Co., Ltd. 202.75.112.0/22 AS17727 NAPINFO-AS-AP PT. NAP Info Lintas Nusa 202.93.0.0/20 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 202.93.64.0/19 AS9425 I-NEXT-AS-AP Inter.net Philippines border AS 202.122.76.0/24 AS17553 TIMELESS-AP System Integration provider 202.136.254.0/23 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network¡ªChina169 Beijing Province Network 202.136.254.0/24 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network¡ªChina169 Beijing Province Network 202.136.255.0/24 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network¡ªChina169 Beijing Province Network 202.142.130.0/23 AS17820 DIL-AP DIRECT INTERNET LTD. 202.142.132.0/22 AS17820 DIL-AP DIRECT INTERNET LTD. 202.164.192.0/19 AS7599 IPXC-AS-AP IP Exchange 202.165.0.0/19 AS9443 INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications 202.165.0.0/20 AS9443 INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications 202.165.16.0/20 AS9443 INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications 202.179.64.0/24 AS7633 SOFTNET-AS-AP Software Technology Parks of India 202.179.67.0/24 AS7633 SOFTNET-AS-AP Software Technology Parks of India 202.179.68.0/24 AS7633 SOFTNET-AS-AP Software Technology Parks of India 202.189.234.0/23 AS9658 ETPI-IDS-AS-AP Eastern Telecoms Phils., Inc. 203.10.17.0/24 AS9266 VIPER-AU-AP Vipernet 203.10.18.0/24 AS9266 VIPER-AU-AP Vipernet 203.10.19.0/24 AS9266 VIPER-AU-AP Vipernet 203.10.21.0/24 AS9266 VIPER-AU-AP Vipernet 203.10.22.0/24 AS9266 VIPER-AU-AP Vipernet 203.10.23.0/24 AS9266 VIPER-AU-AP Vipernet 203.32.4.0/23 AS7617 APNIC-AS-2-BLOCK Asia Pacific Network Information Centre 203.62.0.0/17 AS7572 AARNET-ACT-RNO Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.76.128.0/24 AS9729 IS-AP iAdvantage Limited 203.76.224.0/24 AS9549 COMDEK-ISP-AS-AP Comdek ISP 203.86.2.0/23 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 203.90.192.0/20 AS9658 ETPI-IDS-AS-AP Eastern Telecoms Phils., Inc. 203.129.126.0/24 AS7473 SINGTEL-AS-AP Singapore Telecom 203.129.127.0/24 AS7473 SINGTEL-AS-AP Singapore Telecom 203.132.95.0/24 AS9787 CONCEPT-AU-AP Concept Networks 203.132.97.0/24 AS7652 VIANET-AS-AP Vianet Communications Pty Ltd 203.132.99.0/24 AS7657 TIG-US-PAS-AP The Internet Group Limited 203.132.102.0/24 AS9398 ARACHNET-AS-AP Arachnet 203.132.103.0/24 AS9398 ARACHNET-AS-AP Arachnet 203.132.104.0/24 AS9398 ARACHNET-AS-AP Arachnet 203.132.105.0/24 AS9398 ARACHNET-AS-AP Arachnet 203.132.106.0/24 AS9398 ARACHNET-AS-AP Arachnet 203.132.107.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.108.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.109.0/24 AS10141 CALOUNDRA-AS-AP Caloundra.net 203.132.110.0/24 AS7598 ALPHALINK-AS-AP Alphalink Pty Limited - Melbourne, Australia 203.132.111.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.112.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.118.0/24 AS18065 CENTRALDATA-WA Central Data Pty Ltd. 203.132.122.0/24 AS4802 WANTREE-AS-AP Wantree Development 203.132.123.0/24 AS18065 CENTRALDATA-WA Central Data Pty Ltd. 203.132.124.0/24 AS18065 CENTRALDATA-WA Central Data Pty Ltd. 203.132.125.0/24 AS4817 TECHEX1-AS-AP Techex Primary Netblock 203.135.99.0/24 AS2687 IBM-MMD-AS IBM 203.135.224.0/19 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 203.215.96.0/19 AS6648 ASN-SKYINTERNET ASs peering of Sky Internet 204.19.224.0/19 AS816 UUNET-AS4 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 204.29.189.0/24 AS3956 TX-METRO Texas Metronet 204.89.225.0/24 AS2495 KANREN Kansas Research and Education Network 204.154.125.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.126.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.127.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.194.110.0/23 AS10588 ICSNET Intelligent Computer Solutions, Inc 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 206.41.32.0/19 AS14824 NEWSOUTH NewSouth Communications Corp. 206.81.187.0/24 AS19194 JOVITA Sentris Network LLC 206.82.64.0/18 AS7029 ALLTELNET Alltel Information Services, Inc. 206.108.34.0/24 AS852 ASN852 Telus Advanced Communications 206.108.35.0/24 AS852 ASN852 Telus Advanced Communications 206.167.57.0/24 AS376 RISQ-AS Reseau Interordinateurs Scientique Quebecois (RISQ) 206.191.64.0/18 AS15290 ATTCA-15290 AT&T Canada Telecom Services Company 206.251.69.0/24 AS27429 TIL Telesat International Ltd. 207.47.39.0/24 AS816 UUNET-AS4 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 207.162.192.0/19 AS4589 EASYNET Easynet Group Plc 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETPA NuNet Inc 208.65.232.0/23 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 208.81.187.0/24 AS19194 JOVITA Sentris Network LLC 208.104.103.0/24 AS1239 SPRINTLINK Sprint 209.151.128.0/19 AS816 UUNET-AS4 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 209.169.219.0/24 AS189 GENUITY-AS189 Genuity 209.169.223.0/24 AS189 GENUITY-AS189 Genuity 209.172.0.0/18 AS7770 TRITON Triton Technologies, Inc. 209.213.32.0/19 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.50.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.51.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.55.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.56.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.222.137.0/24 AS27429 TIL Telesat International Ltd. 209.240.96.0/19 AS10815 KCNET KCnet, Inc. 209.251.0.0/19 AS11036 SISCOM SISCOM, Inc 209.251.64.0/19 AS10266 NETWAY-AS MDC, Inc. 210.213.0.0/19 AS6453 TELEGLOBE-AS Teleglobe Inc 216.18.224.0/21 AS11458 IMBRIS IMBRIS, INC. 216.18.224.0/22 AS11458 IMBRIS IMBRIS, INC. 216.18.228.0/22 AS11458 IMBRIS IMBRIS, INC. 216.47.32.0/19 AS11304 SPLUS Solutions Plus Inc. 216.96.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 AT&T WorldNet Services 216.226.108.0/22 AS3602 SPRINT-CA-AS Sprint Canada Inc. Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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T-Mobile
by Charles Sprickman 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

Just a heads-up for anyone paging via their cell phones. T-Mobile seems to be having a nationwide outage... 1-800-937-8997 plays the status message before giving the menu options. Charles -- Charles Sprickman spork(a)inch.com

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Cisco CSM's in the Cat 6500?!
by jgraun＠comcast.net 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

Is anybody using the Cisco CSM product to due load balancing? My company is looking at is and we have had huge issues with the CSS's. If anybody has any info on how well this product works please let me know. Thank You Jason

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cooling systems
by Mike Tancsa 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

Faced with the prospect once again of significantly higher energy prices coming to our region, we want to start to look at better and more efficient ways to cool our colocation facility. Right now we have several ton of traditional air conditioning units sucking up electricity like its free. As winter is approaching, surely there must be some computer safe way to take advantage of all that cold outside to help contain our energy costs, not to mention be a little more environmentally friendly. We were thinking we could circulate the air up to the roof and cool it there inside some aluminum ducts and then bring it back down. We dont want to just bring in cold air as it is quite dirty outside since we are next to a major highway. Anyone done anything like this before in a computer room setting ? ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike(a)sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike

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Announcing RISwhois - RIPE NCC IPv4/IPv6 address to origin mapping
by Rene Wilhelm 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

[Apologies for duplicate mails] Dear All, RIPE NCC is pleased to announce RISwhois, a new interface to the BGP data collected by the Routing Information Service (RIS). Using a set of ten Remote Route Collectors (RRCs) installed at different locations around the world, the RIS collects BGP information from over 200 IPv4 and IPv6 peers. RISwhois complements our existing prefix query and looking glass tools by providing a higher level view over an entire set of RRC routing tables. The service looks up IPv4 or IPv6 addresses in the most recently collected full RIB dumps and reports the prefixes and origin AS numbers that match the specified IP, as well as the RRCs on which the prefixes were seen. This can help users in obtaining a quick answer on route visibility (i.e. where is it seen, how widely does it spread) and in assigning origin AS numbers to IP numbers in applications such as traceroute. RISwhois listens to the whois port (port 43) and outputs data in a format very similar to the route objects specified in RPSL. Thus applications that, to date, consult a routing registry, like whois.ra.net, can easily obtain more accurate IP to AS assignments by contacting the RISwhois server, riswhois.ripe.net, instead. For example, a study in the context of RIPE NCC's Test Traffic Measurements found 21% of a set of unique IPs unmatched when using the routing registry vs. only 1% unmatched when using RIS data. For more information see: http://www.ripe.net/ris/riswhois.html Please send your comments to ris(a)ripe.net. Best regards, For the RIS team, -- Rene =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rene Wilhelm RIPE Network Coordination Centre Email: wilhelm(a)ripe.net Amsterdam, the Netherlands Phone: +31 20 535 4444 http://www.ripe.net/ris =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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Utility Mapping to be featured at the 2003 DPC in Tampa
by Sean Donelan 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

Remember how the government got upset a graduate student generated maps of underground utilities, and there were suggestions that his project be classified. Or was the real problem was he had figure out how to do it cheaply, and wasn't planning to sell the information for large sums of money? Utility Mapping to be featured at the 2003 DPC Burnsville, MN (November 5, 2003) - Underground utility mapping will be one of the features of the program for the 2003 Damage Prevention Conference and Exposition (DPC) to be held December 3-5 at the Tampa Convention Center in Tampa, FL. Accurate maps of underground facility locations are still difficult to obtain in many parts of the nation, but you can find solutions at the 2003 DPC! Historically, manual record keeping of locations of underground energy, water and communications systems has been inadequate, and consequences continue to surface as facility owners work to maintain and protect their systems. New technologies and systems are coming on-line to upgrade the map records of these vital underground delivery systems. These include computerized mapping systems, geospatial information databases, and use of global positioning satellites (GPS) to accumulate field data on existing utilities. [...] The exhibit hall will feature a mapping and technology pavilion with vendors showcasing a wide array of products from GIS, GPS, AM, FM, One Call Ticket Management Systems and much, much more! A sampling of the 2003 Mapping & Technology Pavilion exhibitors include: [...]

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Re: Copper 10 gigabit @ 15 metres
by neil＠DOMINO.ORG 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

> While there are some smitherings about 10GigE, there are technical reasons and > market reasons it is not really ready for prime yet, that is not to say it's not going > to happen, it is just not going happen now. > Some people are using it in the MAN and WAN now though.

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RE: cooling systems
by Robert A. Hayden 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

I used to have a boiler heating system in my home (wood heat) that used anti-freeze treated water tpumped from the boiler in the garage through the house and back. Water is great for moving heat, but you do need to treat it so it doesn't freeze and burst the pipes. On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Jeffrey Paul wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On > > Behalf Of Robert A. Hayden > > Sent: Wed, 2003-11-05 12:50 > > To: Joe Abley > > Cc: Neil J. McRae; Mike Tancsa; Robert E. Seastrom; nanog(a)nanog.org > > Subject: Re: cooling systems > > > > > > > > I've seen some designs that actually use water as the transport and > > many-finned radiators at each end. Radiator transfer heat > > into cold water > > inside which is pumped up a radiator in the sub-zero temps on > > the roof and > > exchanged and then looped back. > > I've never once seen sub-zero water pumped through a tube, except maybe > on documentaries about the arctic (think core sample). I think it's > much more likely a different fluid was used. > > -j >

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attribution
by Randy Bush 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

in chicago, kc attributed this quote to me Dopeler effect: the tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly. the closest attribution i have is The Washington Post's "Style Invitational" asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition. randy

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