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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 15 Nov '03

15 Nov '03

This report has been generated at Fri Nov 14 21:48:00 2003 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 07-11-03 127597 90282 08-11-03 127873 90220 09-11-03 127555 90261 10-11-03 127607 90361 11-11-03 127817 90325 12-11-03 127745 90342 13-11-03 127842 90301 14-11-03 127686 90402 AS Summary 16121 Number of ASes in routing system 6426 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1410 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS701 : ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 73534720 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS568 : SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 14Nov03 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 127709 90347 37362 29.3% All ASes AS4323 687 201 486 70.7% TW-COMM Time Warner Communications, Inc. AS701 1410 979 431 30.6% ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS7018 1367 948 419 30.7% ATT-INTERNET4 AT&T WorldNet Services AS7843 526 122 404 76.8% ADELPHIA-AS Adelphia Corp. AS6197 641 261 380 59.3% BATI-ATL BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS6198 611 253 358 58.6% BATI-MIA BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS209 880 536 344 39.1% ASN-QWEST Qwest AS22909 311 9 302 97.1% DNEO-OSP1 Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. AS4355 386 101 285 73.8% ERMS-EARTHLNK EARTHLINK, INC AS22773 305 25 280 91.8% CCINET-2 Cox Communications Inc. Atlanta AS27364 338 72 266 78.7% ACS-INTERNET Armstrong Cable Services AS6347 349 85 264 75.6% DIAMOND SAVVIS Communications Corporation AS1221 955 693 262 27.4% ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd AS1239 928 671 257 27.7% SPRINTLINK Sprint AS17676 278 35 243 87.4% GIGAINFRA Softbank BB Corp. AS4134 363 125 238 65.6% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS25844 243 16 227 93.4% SKADDEN1 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP AS9583 275 81 194 70.5% SATYAMNET-AS Satyam Infoway Ltd., AS11305 229 38 191 83.4% INTERLAND-NET1 Interland Incorporated AS2386 397 214 183 46.1% INS-AS AT&T Data Communications Services AS4519 193 12 181 93.8% MAAS Maas Communications AS9498 210 32 178 84.8% BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. AS6140 340 164 176 51.8% IMPSAT-USA ImpSat AS6327 203 27 176 86.7% SHAW Shaw Communications Inc. AS14654 175 2 173 98.9% WAYPORT Wayport AS2048 252 86 166 65.9% LANET-1 State of Louisiana AS7132 472 308 164 34.7% SBIS-AS SBC Internet Services - Southwest AS20115 584 424 160 27.4% CHARTER-NET-HKY-NC Charter Communications AS9929 192 36 156 81.2% CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. AS15270 202 48 154 76.2% AS-PAETEC-NET PaeTec.net -a division of PaeTecCommunications, Inc. Total 14302 6604 7698 53.8% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.138.80.0/20 AS11260 ANDARA-HSI Andara High Speed Internet c/o Halifax Cable Ltd. 61.12.32.0/24 AS7545 TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd 61.12.34.0/24 AS7545 TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd 64.30.64.0/19 AS14900 USLEC-CORP-1 USLEC Corp. 66.41.192.0/18 AS13367 CCCH-AS3 Comcast Cable Communications Holdings, Inc 69.8.128.0/17 AS7260 NORLIGHT Norlight Telecommunications 132.0.0.0/10 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 137.0.0.0/13 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 138.136.0.0/13 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 140.143.2.0/24 AS1221 ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd 140.240.0.0/13 AS1 GNTY-1 Genuity 158.0.0.0/13 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.43.230.0/24 AS4738 SAARDNET-AS South Australian Academic Research and Development Network 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 192.83.16.0/20 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.32.0/19 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.64.0/19 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.96.0/22 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.100.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 PSCNI-AS National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.135.50.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 AT&T WorldNet Services 192.136.71.0/24 AS719 AS719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.136.79.0/24 AS719 AS719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.153.144.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.172.0.0/19 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.188.208.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.243.32.0/23 AS2044 PALIN-AS Palin Aquisitions Inc. 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLATLANTIC-COM Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.97.72.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.97.80.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.97.88.0/24 AS89 NUSC-CSTLNET-AS Naval Underwater Systems Center 198.97.192.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.97.240.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.98.8.0/21 AS3701 NERONET Oregon Joint Graduate Schools of Engineering 198.136.32.0/20 AS19329 MCNET Martin County Board of County Commissioners 198.144.32.0/19 AS3998 CITY-NET CityNet, Inc. 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GROUPTLCOM GT Group Telecom Services Corp. 198.161.165.0/24 AS852 ASN852 Telus Advanced Communications 198.163.155.0/24 AS684 MBNET-AS Manitoba Regional Network 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INTERHOP Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.167.163.0/24 AS15290 ATTCA-15290 AT&T Canada Telecom Services Company 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASKTEL SaskTel 198.232.133.0/24 AS23075 SKOTOS-AS Skotos Tech, Inc 199.10.0.0/16 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.60.0.0/20 AS271 BCNET-AS University of British Columbia 199.79.32.0/20 AS3701 NERONET Oregon Joint Graduate Schools of Engineering 199.84.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 199.114.0.0/18 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.114.0.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.114.128.0/18 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.114.130.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.136.0/24 AS1913 DLA4 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 ITSDN-U7 DISA/UNRRA 199.114.142.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS1913 DLA4 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA AF DDN PMO 199.114.156.0/24 AS1913 DLA4 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA AF DDN PMO 199.120.32.0/19 AS16582 NEXTLEVELINTERNET NEXTLEVEL INTERNET, INC. 199.121.0.0/16 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.123.0.0/18 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.123.16.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.123.80.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST-AS IQuest Internet 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 202.0.180.0/24 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 202.3.158.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.3.159.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 202.4.252.0/22 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network¡ªChina169 Beijing Province Network 202.4.255.0/24 AS4799 UNSPECIFIED Ji Tong Communications Co., Ltd. 202.70.240.0/20 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 202.74.32.0/19 AS9315 CWN-AS-AP Chomanan WorldNet Co., Ltd. 202.93.0.0/20 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 202.122.76.0/24 AS17553 TIMELESS-AP System Integration provider 202.136.254.0/23 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network¡ªChina169 Beijing Province Network 202.136.254.0/24 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network¡ªChina169 Beijing Province Network 202.136.255.0/24 AS4808 CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network¡ªChina169 Beijing Province Network 202.164.192.0/19 AS7599 IPXC-AS-AP IP Exchange 202.165.0.0/19 AS9443 INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications 202.165.0.0/20 AS9443 INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications 202.165.16.0/20 AS9443 INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications 202.179.64.0/24 AS7633 SOFTNET-AS-AP Software Technology Parks of India 202.179.65.0/24 AS7633 SOFTNET-AS-AP Software Technology Parks of India 202.179.66.0/24 AS7633 SOFTNET-AS-AP Software Technology Parks of India 202.179.67.0/24 AS7633 SOFTNET-AS-AP Software Technology Parks of India 202.179.68.0/24 AS7633 SOFTNET-AS-AP Software Technology Parks of India 202.189.234.0/23 AS9658 ETPI-IDS-AS-AP Eastern Telecoms Phils., Inc. 203.10.17.0/24 AS9266 VIPER-AU-AP Vipernet 203.10.18.0/24 AS9266 VIPER-AU-AP Vipernet 203.10.19.0/24 AS9266 VIPER-AU-AP Vipernet 203.10.21.0/24 AS9266 VIPER-AU-AP Vipernet 203.10.22.0/24 AS9266 VIPER-AU-AP Vipernet 203.10.23.0/24 AS9266 VIPER-AU-AP Vipernet 203.32.4.0/23 AS7617 APNIC-AS-2-BLOCK Asia Pacific Network Information Centre 203.62.0.0/17 AS7572 AARNET-ACT-RNO Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.76.128.0/24 AS9729 IS-AP iAdvantage Limited 203.76.224.0/24 AS9549 COMDEK-ISP-AS-AP Comdek ISP 203.86.2.0/23 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 203.129.126.0/24 AS7473 SINGTEL-AS-AP Singapore Telecom 203.129.127.0/24 AS7473 SINGTEL-AS-AP Singapore Telecom 203.132.95.0/24 AS9787 CONCEPT-AU-AP Concept Networks 203.132.97.0/24 AS7652 VIANET-AS-AP Vianet Communications Pty Ltd 203.132.99.0/24 AS7657 TIG-US-PAS-AP The Internet Group Limited 203.132.102.0/24 AS9398 ARACHNET-AS-AP Arachnet 203.132.103.0/24 AS9398 ARACHNET-AS-AP Arachnet 203.132.104.0/24 AS9398 ARACHNET-AS-AP Arachnet 203.132.105.0/24 AS9398 ARACHNET-AS-AP Arachnet 203.132.106.0/24 AS9398 ARACHNET-AS-AP Arachnet 203.132.107.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.108.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.109.0/24 AS10141 CALOUNDRA-AS-AP Caloundra.net 203.132.110.0/24 AS7598 ALPHALINK-AS-AP Alphalink Pty Limited - Melbourne, Australia 203.132.111.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.112.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.118.0/24 AS18065 CENTRALDATA-WA Central Data Pty Ltd. 203.132.122.0/24 AS4802 WANTREE-AS-AP Wantree Development 203.132.123.0/24 AS18065 CENTRALDATA-WA Central Data Pty Ltd. 203.132.124.0/24 AS18065 CENTRALDATA-WA Central Data Pty Ltd. 203.132.125.0/24 AS4817 TECHEX1-AS-AP Techex Primary Netblock 203.135.99.0/24 AS2687 IBM-MMD-AS IBM 203.135.224.0/19 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 204.19.224.0/19 AS816 UUNET-AS4 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 204.29.189.0/24 AS3956 TX-METRO Texas Metronet 204.89.225.0/24 AS2495 KANREN Kansas Research and Education Network 204.154.125.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.126.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.127.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.194.110.0/23 AS10588 ICSNET Intelligent Computer Solutions, Inc 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 206.41.32.0/19 AS14824 NEWSOUTH NewSouth Communications Corp. 206.81.187.0/24 AS19194 JOVITA Sentris Network LLC 206.82.64.0/18 AS7029 ALLTELNET Alltel Information Services, Inc. 206.108.34.0/24 AS852 ASN852 Telus Advanced Communications 206.108.35.0/24 AS852 ASN852 Telus Advanced Communications 206.167.57.0/24 AS376 RISQ-AS Reseau Interordinateurs Scientique Quebecois (RISQ) 206.191.64.0/18 AS15290 ATTCA-15290 AT&T Canada Telecom Services Company 206.251.69.0/24 AS27429 TIL Telesat International Ltd. 207.47.39.0/24 AS816 UUNET-AS4 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 207.162.192.0/19 AS4589 EASYNET Easynet Group Plc 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETPA NuNet Inc 208.81.187.0/24 AS19194 JOVITA Sentris Network LLC 208.104.103.0/24 AS1239 SPRINTLINK Sprint 209.151.128.0/19 AS816 UUNET-AS4 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 209.169.219.0/24 AS189 GENUITY-AS189 Genuity 209.169.223.0/24 AS189 GENUITY-AS189 Genuity 209.172.0.0/18 AS7770 TRITON Triton Technologies, Inc. 209.213.32.0/19 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.50.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.51.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.55.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.56.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.222.137.0/24 AS27429 TIL Telesat International Ltd. 209.240.96.0/19 AS10815 KCNET KCnet, Inc. 209.251.0.0/19 AS11036 SISCOM SISCOM, Inc 209.251.64.0/19 AS10266 NETWAY-AS MDC, Inc. 210.213.0.0/19 AS6453 TELEGLOBE-AS Teleglobe Inc 216.18.224.0/21 AS11458 IMBRIS IMBRIS, INC. 216.18.224.0/22 AS11458 IMBRIS IMBRIS, INC. 216.18.228.0/22 AS11458 IMBRIS IMBRIS, INC. 216.47.32.0/19 AS11304 SPLUS Solutions Plus Inc. 216.96.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 AT&T WorldNet Services 218.211.0.0/16 AS4788 TMNET-AS-AP TMnet, Telekom Malaysia 222.28.0.0/14 AS4538 ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education and Research Network Center Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report 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prospect mailer
by Petri Helenius 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

Joe Average can now spam easier: http://download.com.com/3000-2369-10196902.html?tag=ppd.prospectmailer Pete

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Quagga/Zebra remote DoS vulnerability
by Jonas Frey (Probe Networks) 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

For those of you who havent already heard: Quagga/Zebra contains a remote DoS vulnerability. More Info: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107140 http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-307.html Regards, Jonas

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Obtaining maps of underground utilities from city governments
by Eric Kuhnke 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

I am interested in hearing peoples' experiences in obtaining maps of pre-existing underground utilities from city governments (as it relates to deployment of MAN fiber). Thus far the process I am going through can be compared to pulling teeth. Any advice would be greatly appreciated... :-(

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Excellent spin for a complete network outage
by Sean Donelan 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

The Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division, in conjunction with NAVAIR and Navy/Marine Corps Intranet/Information Strike Force, will conduct a complete outage of computer networks from Nov. 22 at 11 p.m. to Nov. 23 at 7:30 a.m. During the outage, customers will not be able to access e-mail, Internet services or online corporate applications. All activities are encouraged to consider the impact of this outage and adjust operations accordingly.

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RE: The Cidr Report
by McBurnett, Jim 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

> > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > > > Stephen J. Wilcox writes on 11/14/2003 7:16 AM: > > > > > So anyway, was discussing the cidr report at the last > nanog.. I was pointing out > > > that deaggregation is discouraged by the naming and > shaming and then someone > > > else pointed out that this list has scarcely altered in months. > > > > > > So, what can we do as the operator community if this > report isnt having the > > > desired effect? > > > > Stop accepting /24 type routes? Please no... That will drop me off the map.. > > Yeah maybe but what about where the RIRs have assigned > independent /24 space.. > or ISPs have subdelegated the IPs to a multihomed customer, > was more thinking > about where a bunch of routes originating from a single ASN > can be aggregated > rather than routing bloat in general. There are numerous such > examples of people > with eg a /19 announcing 32x /24 etc > > Steve I don't have the stats handy at the moment, but we decided to Multi-home I researched several issues with /24 blocks. One thing that seemed to stick out was that some providers were using /20 and /21 as "multi-home" blocks. They were reserving that block just for /24 multi-homing.. and I also remember that of the /24 being annouced independently, a majority of them were not multihomed....... just how bad is the auto-summarization at the upstream for the route propagation via BGP in the large routers anyway? Jim

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Net Security Gets Root-Level Boost
by Hank Nussbacher 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

http://www.technewsworld.com/perl/story/32116.html -Hank

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looking for pull traffic
by matthew zeier 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

Higher powers have decided our 95/5 traffic slit needs to move closer to 60/40 (transit pricing). I'm looking for legitimate ways to generate a significant amount of pull traffic, including partnerships with Southern California ISPs. Thanks. -- matthew zeier - "Curiosity is a willing, a proud, an eager confession of ignorance." - Leonard Rubenstein

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Re: FW: Cost of Worm Attack Protection
by kgraham＠rogers.com 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

It would be great not to spend any money and let the worms run their course. But when you have to deal with downed production at the cost of give or take possibly 500K per attack it unfortunately cannot be done without one loosing their job. The last worm that spread throughout enterprises mentioned having to reinstall the entire server. If that server is a critical production server what would you do? Would spending 100K prevent the attack, very likely not. Would spending 100K help track the offending machine(s) and enable someone to remove them from the network until they are serviced, possibly? Would this help keep production rolling, possibly? The installation management and response time needed to implement an IDS solution does have to be investigated to see if the ROI comes in line with the cost. The ROI would need to include any saved downtime. If someone has this information please pass it along. A nicer solution would be an operating system that does not need a critical patch every other week, due to it's exploitable nature. Yes I am dreaming :) Kim > > From: "Braun, Mike" <MBraun(a)firstam.com> > Date: 2003/11/13 Thu PM 03:02:59 EST > To: "'nanog(a)merit.edu'" <nanog(a)merit.edu> > Subject: FW: Cost of Worm Attack Protection > > > The old saying of "you get what you pay for" seems to be well directed when > it comes to this topic. If you're willing to allocate $100K more than you > currently spend to mitigating the effects from Worms and Viruses, I'm sure > you will have some increased success. If you allocate 1 mill more, your > success will increase substantially. The true cost really boils down to > what you are trying to protect, such as how many servers, users, network > segments, and other critical devices you are willing to encompass in your > protection plan. Also, you may be able to mitigate the cost by using the > functionality built into devices you may already own. A good protection > schema needs to address the use and benefits from the following: Firewalls, > VPN tunnels and policies, HIDs, NIDs, Antivirus software, and a good network > security policy that grows with your network. You may already have most of > this in place and need only a little extra funding allocated to give you the > protection level you feel comfortable with. > > If you're looking for pricing on each component, they will vary widely > depending on the brand and model you go with. You should shop around for > components that suit your budget. An example of this price variance can be > found by looking at a Net Forensics project priced at $500k compared to a > similar solution going will Network Intelligence at $40K. The Network > Intelligence solution may not have all the functionality offered by Net > Forensics, but it may be enough for your needs. > > Best of luck in fighting this ever growing problem, > > Mike Braun > > -----Original Message----- > From: sgorman1(a)gmu.edu [mailto:sgorman1@gmu.edu] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 7:59 AM > To: Joel Jaeggli > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Cost of Worm Attack Protection > > > > Good point - then what is the cost of attempting to mitigate or handle > attacks vs. doing nothing? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joel Jaeggli <joelja(a)darkwing.uoregon.edu> > Date: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:14 am > Subject: Re: Cost of Worm Attack Protection > > > I haven't seen any network or customer site that has protected > > itself from > > worms... only mitigated them. > > > > joelja > > > > On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 sgorman1(a)gmu.edu wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I was hoping to get some estimates from folks on the costs of > > defending> networks from various worm attacks. It is a pretty > > wide open question, > > > but if anyone has some rough estimates of what it costs per edge, > > > manpower vs. equipment costs, or any combination thereof it > > would be of > > > great assistance. We are doing some simulations of attack and > > defense> strategies and looking for some good metrics to plug into > > a cost benefit > > > model. We'd be happy to share the results if anyone is > > interested as > > > well. > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > sean > > > > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------- > > Joel Jaeggli Unix Consulting > > joelja(a)darkwing.uoregon.edu > > GPG Key Fingerprint: 5C6E 0104 BAF0 40B0 5BD3 C38B F000 35AB > > B67F 56B2 > > > > > > > > > "MMS <firstam.com>" made the following > annotations on 11/13/2003 12:03:21 PM > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE AND ANY FILES TRANSMITTED HEREWITH, ARE INTENDED SOLELY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL(S) ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY OR PRIVILEGED INFORMATION. IF YOU ARE NOT THE ADDRESSEE INDICATED IN THIS MESSAGE (OR RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERY OF THIS MESSAGE TO SUCH PERSON) YOU MAY NOT REVIEW, USE, DISCLOSE OR DISTRIBUTE THIS MESSAGE OR ANY FILES TRANSMITTED HEREWITH. 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Re: This may be stupid but
by Fisher, Shawn 14 Nov '03

14 Nov '03

I created a test of my own that I typically give to candidates. This has proved very helpful in determining if the prospective hire has strengths in the areas I need. Everytime I have skipped using the "test" I get burned. That being said I am still looking for attitude and work ethic as being a major component of the decision. Uh..I just realized I started this thread, I better be sit back and be quiet. -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld

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